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You guys are making me hungry!...........And I in the middle of EATING dinner! Had burgers a couple of nights ago. They are a staple in this house.

High Ken Your Independence is looking very nice and it is great to see that it CAN be planked. I am almost at the stage where I will be starting my planking and seeing your results is soothing to my mind.

Mark The boat that they are designing will be 1:48th. The boats they have now are 1/72, MUCH closer to your 1/64. I am not sure if the boat for the Avos is available yet but the other two are definitely available. Unfortunately only the 95 X 28 mm boat fits in the range of your needs. The 5 and 6" boats are getting up there in size. Oh well back to the building board! It does look like you are doing pretty good even without their help.

Hi Mark I can't find anywhere in your log what size boats you need for the Licorne but have you looked at the boats Master Korabel offers in 1/72 scale? One is 75 X 30 mm, (3 X 1 3/16") and the other 95 X 28 mm, (3 3/4 X 1 1/8"). I know that they would not be scratch but if they are the size you need?........... I have the 95 mm boat with my Phoenix kit and it is a super detailed model in it's own right.

Hi Mark Assuming they get it built and marketed as I am almost certain they will, it is as if they were designing the perfect boat for my build! 102 mm was exactly what I was looking for in length, (About 16') I was thinking of about 40 mm in beam as in a Jolly Boat' but 33 mm works also at 5'. Now all I have to do is decide on whether to carry it on davits like they do on the Avos, (Not sure if that was communally done in the mid/late 1700s) or put it on deck behind the mast.

Not much to take pictures of but I have been making some progress. I have been sanding and checking and then sanding and checking again, then measuring and sanding and.................... In general just making a big mess that needs to be vacuumed up but is almost invisible in pictures. So far I have almost completely fared all the frames and installed the quarter deck and stern piece so everything is all one piece for the first time since I started. I decided to go for a round tuck stern as It seems like no one else has much of an opinion on what would be more common on small ships of this time and design, none of my research seems to care either, and the original kit called for a round tuck before i modified the stern. Now if I can just carry it off. I have never done planking on a ship like this and the whole concept pretty much has me terrified, Along with just about everything else left to be done on this build. It's ALL new territory to me from this point onward. One thing that I no longer need to deal with is the ship's boat! I have been working on this in my head and on paper for a while to design and build a 4"(+-) ship's boat that would fit between the mast and quarterdeck cabin! Master Korabel announced today that they will be producing a boat that will measure in at 102mm! Just a little over 4"!! Their products are first rate and I am sure it will be better than anything I could scratch build any day. Happy happy joy joy!! Hopefully I will have something to look at in a week or so.

I can quit trying to design and loft my own boat for my 1/48th Providence build and get on with other items while I wait for what I am certain will be an excellent boat. I already own the Phoenix and the ships boat for that kit and know how detailed you make even your small models.

Thank you very much for your quick work Eugene It looks like this boat is exactly what I was looking for. It is at the top of my list to buy when it comes out and is available for purchase or shipping here to the US!

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It's strange to see what looks like coal shuttles on what I am sure was an oil fired ship.

I think in the US Navy with ships like the Houston and Panay/Oahu and other Asiatic ships it was a ghost gray.

Greg That forward funnel looks as tall as a mast compared to the aft funnel when you don't have a superstructure to balance it out. I really like the lighter prewar/early war color. Sometimes the everyday haze gray gets a little tiresome.

OK Ben here is your RC project. Even in 1/48th scale it works out to just a little over two feet long. (I would have to go downstairs in the basement to get a more accurate measurement and I'm beat right now from having to do actual work) Anyway you need to build a modern day Voith Schneider drive harbor tug. It will give you a challenge in designing the RC functions of the twin drives so that they are intuitive. You can design the superstructure in any number of ways, as no two of these kinds of tugs are the same anyway. And after you get it built you will find it is the most novel and interesting ship you have ever driven. You can do ANYTHING with it including dancing! It is never a boring moment. You could even use it to tow yourself, (Or Doll Boat) around the pond!) You will eventually need to try pushing a basketball around the lake! Like I said tons of fun!

Hi Guys Good to see you looking in. Home stuff has bit into some build time in the last few days so not much more done since the last pictures. Right now I am trying to recover from removing my old bed/mattress set and carting the new mattress and box spring set up the double spiral staircase at the entry of my house so I would have a place to sleep tonight. I think it was not long ago when I said I would rather sell everything than move it all if I ever leave this house. I double that now! Terrorist Kitty is not a super problem with the Providence in the new working location, (YET) but a couple of days ago she reduced a needlefelt doll my wife made earlier this year at a week long class in Texas to little fluffs of wool that would have looked just right on Piet's Java diorama! As for the squirt gun treatment, this cat taunts you when you go for the water squirter! She thinks it's a game. When she was REALLY SMALL, (about 2 pounds) she learned that she could fly to the top of the entertainment center, about six and a half feet from the floor, and knock over dolls and plants my wife has up there. We started using the squirt gun and it even worked a few times and she would jump down. Now days she jumps up there and looks at you over the edge challenging you to get to the squirt gun before she can jump down and get under the couch to avoid the water! She usually wins even against the kids with their refined X-Box reflexes! I'm going to install the plywood bulwarks temporally and lay the wales and lower planks with that as a guide, and probably get the hull fully planked before I do the deck. that will give me a little more time to work out deck openings and access points. I will install new bulwarks after I plank the decks that will match the new locations of the decks and the required gun positions. Right now I need to finalize my mind on doing a flat or rounded stern tuck planking.

Hello Mark Please correct me if I am misunderstanding something here. I was of the belief that a square tuck stern was where they ran vertical timbers down from the counter stopping where the horizontal planks extended to the same location thus forming a 'V' shape below the counter with the rudder bisecting the port and starboard sides. A round tuck was where the horizontal planks coming back from the forward hull make the final sharp bend vertically at the stern and butted up or are covered by the horizontal counter beams. In both cases the area in question would mostly or totally be above the waterline with the stern plank, where the rudder attaches, covering the below the waterline plank ends that do not form part of the stern.

Hi druxey Thanks for the input. To be honest I was beginning to think I was on my own on this. By most accounts the Providence was originally built at the personal shipyard of the John Brown family of Rhode Island in 1768. Prior to being used first as Katy, and later as Providence as a warship for Rhode Island and the Continental Navy, she was used both as a cargo and whaling ship by the Brown family. Although built after the French and Indian war, there is some evidence that she was built with the possibility of being used as a privateer and almost certainly as a smuggler, was designed to carry 10 four pounders even before entering into service for Rhode Island in 1775. This was increased to 12 guns after she was taken over by the Continental Navy. I at least partly based my question on the following: Square-sterned vessels could have either of two styles of tucks – a square tuck or a round tuck. In the square tuck, the transoms extended horizontally straight from the sternpost to the fashion piece, essentially the last frame. In the round tuck, the transoms were curved forward and the bottom of the fashion piece no longer was secured to the sternpost, but attached to some of the frame timbers farther forward. This change allowed the planking to run more smoothly up to the wing transom in the counter. Both styles were different than a true round stern, in which the wales and planking ran directly into the sternpost and were supported by vertical cant frames. The remainder of the question is based on photographs, plans and pictures of contemporary ships, none of which seem to show a preference of one style over the other.

I'm glad it worked. It looks like you figured it out yourself before you even read my suggestion. So all i did was sit back and watch you get it right just like I thought you would. Congradulations

I'm sure you will keep at it until you are happy with the results. It's kind of hard as the scale is small. You could try wrapping the loop around a small wire or rod to make the loop.

I think you want Mark not Mike. Back to my corner now.

I have a question for people here on the forum. Hopefully someone looking in will have some input on the matter. In my original and continual research on building the Continental sloop Providence, some things out of necessity are determined by common practice rather than actual knowledge of what was done on the Providence in particular, as there is no record available that is definitive to the Providence, and certainly no plans or builders drawings. I have already decided on the shape and structure of the bow and entry on this model based on lines and plans for other ships of the time and a research paper by Kellie Michelle Vanhorn called EIGHTEENTH-CENTURY COLONIAL AMERICAN MERCHANT SHIP CONSTRUCTION. The area I am requesting information and opinions on is described on pages 24-26 of her paper, called square and round tucks. Indicating the area below the stern counter, mostly above the waterline on either side of the stern rudder beam where the stern starts to flare outward. As far as I can determine the two styles of stern were almost interchangeable for ships of this type and size, and it made little difference if they were built for merchant or military use. Chuck's Cheerful clearly uses a version of the square tuck while the Sultana uses a rounded tuck. The other ships I have used as reference also seem to be pretty random in this area with no apparent preference. The Cheerful does seem to be unique in that she is the only one I have found that seems to use framing around the square tuck and the planks along the side of the hull where they meet at the stern. Does anyone out there have knowledge in this area of design that would lend favor to one design over the other for this particular build?

Hello Lawrence Thanks for stopping by and looking in. Kitty has stopped in to the building yard. In fact she pretty much ran me out of the yard I had set up in another room by pretty much knocking anything and everything off onto the floor. I was finding parts of older built models in other rooms! I finally not only had to move the building area but I had to box up all of my older built kits and put them away to stop further damage! She still grabs stuff from the new location now and then but so far the model is not advanced enough to look like a toy or be all that delicate. So far she is limiting herself to just grabbing a bent paperclip or small piece of scrap wood now and then. On this build I am afraid I am breaking most if not all of the rules. I am not really trying to modify the kit but rather using it as a base for an entirely different ship. So far I have not only altered the hull and decks but she will be rigged as a sloop rather than a schooner. Not everything is freelance though. There are a few "rules" I have to follow relating to a very few things that ARE KNOWN about the Providence, and some others that would have to be considered logical if not factual if the build is to be accurate to the concept. As an example, although this is a Colonial sloop built in the mid/late 1700, it is modeled after the Hudson Bay sloops not the better known and documented Bermuda sloops like the AVS kit. Based on this there are things I may have to do that if left free lance I would prefer not to do, and others that I would like to add for aesthetic reasons that would not be proper for the Providence. There is A LOT of reading between the lines to try and determine which is which. Again it's nice to see you here. I have been following your Oliver Cromwell build and even though it is POF I am sure I will learn from your build just as I have from so many others.

Finishing yard work over modeling?? That's kind of like making room in your garage to park your car! I think that may be illegal in the US!

I think you are way past emulating and well into creating in your own right.

Good to see you making steady progress and making such a fine rendition of this kit.

The answer to the first build that may have to be replaced with a second build, (Because daddy was REALLY building this one for himself) with the addition of two others, (To be fair to the other two kids). You will also have to find a proper ship for the Admiral! Simple solution only five ships to build that way! I have the un-started kit of the Titanic sitting right next to the box of my present build just to remind my Admiral that I am thinking of her build as well. (Empithis on THINKING) Another concern is that kids grow whether you work on them or not, I know. I have been growing kids for over 45 years now and the youngest is only 11! Pretty soon you will have to set the "Doll Boat" aside and design the real thing for her as she will have progressed from boy dolls and toy boats the the real things! Now that I have planted that in your head, I'll go back to my bunk until you have MORE PICTURES!