Bill97
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Took a break from running rigging lines around the bowsprit and decided to install the lower deadeyes for the shrouds. Got Daniel’s etched plate #3 that has the brass chains and wood deadeyes. Used a thread around each mast head to try to get the deadeye holes to line up so when I rig the upper and lower deadeyes together the threads will run at an angle toward the mast. Got them installed on the port side. Still need to add all the chains under the channels.
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A curiosity I have is the spritsail that goes on the top spritsail yard. The way the martingales run down to the dolphin striker it seems as if the sail would touch them unless it is a real short sail.
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Continuing to rig the bowsprit. Based on your direction Ian I have completed a good part of it. Still some to go. Still have to figure out the routes of the downhaulers. Don’t tell Adm Nelson but I changed the timber heads that I am belaying the lines to in order to get more direct straight lines that don’t cross each other. Since I replaced the flying jib with a brass rod I did not have a shrive at the tip to run a thread through so I simply tied on a block to serve the purpose.
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I can check to see if I have the date I ordered mine and when i received it. Daniel (Dafi) mailed mine on June 21st and I got in the mail July 19th. If you ask him here or message him he can tell you the current processing time from when you order and he drops it in the mail (Deutschland Post).
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Thank you guys for the 👍. Moving on to some of the bowsprit running rigging and then into the masts.
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You know I actually don’t remember where I found it but I am going to go with your expertise because that is how I have it so far and don’t want to change it 😀
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So Ian this picture would be incorrect?
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Ok gentlemen another technical question. The spritsail topsail yard attaches to the Jibboom with a parrel, not the flying Jibboom correct? The jib traveller goes on the Jibboom. Therefore I would expect that the jib traveller should be set further out the Jibboom than where the spritsail topsail yard is positioned, or does that matter? I have seen pictures where the traveller is behind the topsail yard and others where it is in front. Which is correct, or is either?
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This is a European company I found on line that sells it for 30 Euro. Not sure if there are limits as to where it can be shipped. https://www.besserepreise.com/index.php?page=productDetails&productNo=1080897176-glo&search=doofinder
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I have the new Heller instructions for the Soleli Royal and looking at it I wish I had the new instructions for the Victory primarily for the rigging instructions. Fortunately there are plenty of builders here on MSW who graciously share their expertise. With their help I can not justify spending even more to purchase the new instructions. Last I saw it is rather expensive. But if you can afford it, it is well worth it.
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Woo Hoo. Got it. Thanks my friend!
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Ok Ian this should be my updated sketch if I understand correctly. What do you think. Thumbs up or down?
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Kevin the CS was my second build several years ago after I got back into the craft. The Constitution being the first. What a long way I feel I have come since then. I am so anxious to see what an artist like you can do with it. If your blocks and deadeyes, which I have had the fortune of using, are any indication of what you can do your CS is going to be fantastic. Will enjoy watching your build.
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Hey Ian don’t apologize I am so thankful. I may find myself doing the same when I start the mast. Rather get it straight on paper before actually rigging. And I guess the rigging process on the flying jib traveller as far as the inhaul and outhaul lines are the same?
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Ian check this out. If you can make out my scribble. Tell me if all is correct. Curious about the flying outhaul on the flying traveller being on the opposite side as the flying jib outhauler.
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Hey Kevin. How have you been. Your blocks are great. I have not used to many of them yet because in prep for the Victory I had purchased a bunch of wood blocks and deadeyes. I plan to use the ones you sent me for my Soleli Royal. However, I have found that if I am careful I can drill out the center of the small deadeyes you made me and use them as thimbles. I have used some for that purpose.
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Thanks my friend. This does make since now. You are a great teacher. Ought to teach a class on this subject. I told my wife yesterday that when I started the Victory I had no intention of learning all the ins and outs or reasons for ship rigging. As with my other builds, it was just to assemble an attractive model to display. It had always been glue this line from here to there and from time to time pass through a pulley maybe. No real idea what all those lines do or why. Just follow the instructions. No one who has ever viewed my ships is very knowledgeable of rigging and therefore have never said “you know that rigging line right there is wrong”. They just usually say “wow Bill these ships are beautiful!” and that is about it. Now that I am working on the Victory with your help and guidance, along with Kevin, OC, Daniel, Marc, and others, my eyes have been opened to a whole new exciting world of engineering although often very frustrating. As someone who during my younger working years was a craftsman I find this fascinating and love it. I find myself saying to myself “this is going to take forever!” Then I realize and say “so what, what if it does you have no where to be.” Someday it will be complete and everything I learn will help tremendously when I start the Soleli Royal.
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Ian this is a good close up photo. I don’t remember who it is from. May be your’s. It shows a number of the lines and the jib boom traveller. My thimbles on the traveller may be a little to big maybe. I also notice that in this photo that the jibsail line is tied to the loop (#3 in the diagram) on top the traveller. I understood Longridge’s instruction to tie the outhauler to that. Is that wrong? If so where does the hauler attach to the traveller.
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Ok thanks Ian. I am going to have to study this some more and read over your comment several more times. I do now understand there is a down haul as well as the in and out. I understand these are used to control the jib sail. The inhaul and outhaul move the traveller horizontally along the jib boom and the down haul is used to pull the jib sail up the jib stay. I think I got that. And I now understand what block 8 is for. So I still have the issue of the outhauler line running directly under the traveller when the traveller is all the way out and as a result the line rubs against thimble #6.
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OK Ian just a bit more clarification on the jib inhaul and outhaul. Longridge refers to a downhauler as well on page 234. In the next to last sentence on the page he stated that all 3 haulers (in, out, and down belay to the timber heads. Plan #10 (Belaying Plan) only shows the in and out hauler for the jib and flying jib. Is the downhauler the same as one of the others, he maybe just used two different names? Also your drawing showing how you figured out the instructions, and Longridge’s instructions, show the outhauler going through the hole in the outer end of the Jibboom and then seized to the long block. The middle part of the instructions on page 234 say for both the inhauler and downhauler to go through the single blocks attached to the traveler. When I ran the outhauler the way you described and Longridge maybe confusingly did it runs under the traveler and the line rubs up against the bottom thimble. Should it go through the single block on the traveler before heading back to the long block to keep it off the thimble? Or do I have something completely wrong, which I would not be surprised. 🤔
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Thanks Ian. Did you go ahead and do it at the time you did the standing rigging or wait until you did the running rigging? I am thinking to keep those standing rigging lines in place I probably need to go ahead and put the haulers on and tie them down? What is your thoughts. By the way, based on your recommendation I have purchased rigging thread 1, .8, .65, .55, .45, .35, and .15mm. I am just going to round up or down with those diameters. For the stays that are bigger than 1mm I may seize them the entire length to give them the appearance of being thicker.
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Ian I was looking at your drawing of the inhaul and outhaul for the jib traveller. Looks real good and makes perfect since. Reading through Longridge book page 235, bottom paragraph, I can’t determine if the inhaul and outhaul for the flying jib traveller are set up the same way. Did you do it the same way? Also, did you use the haulers to actually keep the traveller in the desired position on the jib boom, or did you apply a touch of CA to keep it in place with the haulers providing the illusion?
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Oh yeah Ian that’s right. I forgot That spread sheet you sent me several months ago. At the time I was way before rigging and filed it away on my computer. I dug it out. This will be very helpful. To be cost effective I still will most likely round up or down the number of sizes I use/purchase.
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Thanks Tomganc. That is handy. I believe I will round up and down to maybe use 4 or 5 sizes. Some of them or pretty small at .12, .17, .22mm is that correct?
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