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Oh, while I'm at it..... I had the pleasure of examining Longridges model at the Science Museum model ship collection, now sadly CLOSED! At the time I didn't carry a camera. I've run exhaustive searches online, yet have found only one poor photo of that model. So at the moment at least, the only photo's available are the ones in the book. The model must be in storage, possibly at Chatham. If someone has the resources, I understand the museum will grant access (upon request) to most objects in their posetion and allow one to photograph them. I'm in no position to do that, but someone would do us a great service and do just that!
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Hello again Kevin. 'The ship and the model' was originally published in two volumes, combined into one edition in 1975. The combined edition reprints both books together. Referring to books 1 & 2 avoids confusion with pagination as these weren't altered. I don't have the original volumes to hand, but I'm sure they have separate plans and diagrams inserted into pockets inside the back covers; not a feature of the reprint edition. I'm lucky to have both versions. By constantly watching ebay it's possible to get either at reasonable prices. As is so often the case, when you want something, it isn't available or costs too much. Over the last few years I've managed to assemble quite a library of most of of the books deemed essential on this forum at reasonable cost, with the exception of the well known books from France. I wish!
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Doh! Me again. Page 164 of Longridge (book 1) has a line drawing of the 'booby hatch'. Page 135 (book 2) has a photograph showing a very different (to the model) image of the area immediately aft of the (what was then) the straight edge of the back of the forecastle including the central ladder. The 'scuttle' for the crew access below can be seen just forward of the ladder. Notice also the balustrades, which are similar to those at the break of the poop. Aft of the ladder is the forward hatch with a boarded cover. It's possible a similar cover was originally over what we are calling the aft 'booby hatch'. Enough boobies for one day.
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Hi Leo, the forward hatch can be seen just in front of the first photo's 'booby hatch'. It would seem when Longridge examined the ship (when she was still afloat of the south coast) that smaller hatch had been decked over. As can be seen, that smaller hatch has its own cover, similar in style to the other two. Again, I suspect all three hatch covers were erected for the benefit of the visiting public as part of the 1950's re-fit.
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My guess is the hatches above were put there after the original 1950's restoration to aid public access. One note: originally there was only one central ladder to the foc'cil (sp?). The run of the anchor chains would seem to dictate that. I've said it before, but the location of that forward hatch still is a mystery to me as the chains would quickly rip the hatch coming apart. It has been suggested when the chain was taken over the winch it would have been somehow elevated over the hatch, which to me seems very unlikely.
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Does this help? No idea where these photo's came from, but were taken before the fire. It would seem there were two such 'booby hatches at that time, one forward, the other aft, and probably identical. (I would be delighted to give credit to whoever took these images)
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Thank you, 'b', of course I understand your motives for your build and find them refreshing. As I said, it was an observation. I don't regard myself as a 'rivet counter' but understand those that are. Most of us enjoy this hobby simply as a form of recreation, deriving pleasure from often limited means. Which is why, when we see the products of very accomplished modellers we get a buzz. Looking forward to more of your fine and honest work.
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Observation: The mizzen looks to be hard up to the poop bulkhead and between the chicken coops in your #48 original photo. The kit mast is well clear of both. Your treatment of the kit is admirable.
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Nice rendition of those rails, Kevin. Looking at photo's of the ship pre and post fire incarnations a Greenwich, these rails weren't fitted, though they were when last afloat as a cadet training ship. Curious.
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If it works, that sounds like a plan. I'd want to know if CA works on the stuff before committing.
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Thank you, Valeiry, for indulging in this historical side show. For me, at least, it puts a wider perspective to your work. Enough digression....on with the pleasure of watching you continue your with your fabulous model.
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Thank you, Valeriy. The Wiki page incudes this.... 'On 8 December 1917 she was seized by a detachment of British soldiers. Assigned to the Royal Navy in February 1918, she ran aground while under tow off of Ireland, but was refloated and used as a hulk until 1919'. Then scrapped.
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Nice rendition of the bulwark stanchions. Will you be having a go at the lozenge panels inside the bulwarks? Be aware they aren't all the same width. Another feature worth exploiting are the hinged 'freeing' panels along the bulwarks. Unfortunately, the position on the mouldings don't line up with the deck, so something left well alone I suppose. It isn't clear (to me) but the masts on your last photo don't appear to be white?
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The stanchion type a I mentioned are available here https://www.hobbies.co.uk/caldercraft-2-hole-brass-stanchions?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaignid=6727975578&utm_campaign=Shopping-Research_Campaign&utm_term=&adid=388174523725&addisttype=gpla&matchtype=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjbPogriF9wIVEJftCh3-cAILEAQYBCABEgK4nfD_BwE Aero-naut 9mm Stanchions here https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/Aeronaut-5602-09-Stanchion-Brass-Two-Hole-9mm-AN5602_09.html
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Like the look of Asama, I assume that's the builders model; Valeiry would you let us know where you found it, please. Don't tell me that's another of your own models 😄
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Varyag certainly got around. Imperial Russian Navy, Imperial Japanese Navy then Royal Navy who managed to 'lose' her off the coast of Scotland. Wasn't she finally scrapped in Germany?
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If you find Brumas fine build of this kit I introduced him to these stanchions (below). My source for these is no longer available but I do believe His-Models sell them. I don't think there are better ones available unless you make them yourself.
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I completely understand your choice of deck, the plastic one isn't the best, especially because it is divided into several sections. My earlier comment was a simple observation: there are plenty of photos of the ship online which illustrate the deck before and after renovation, for anyone to make their own conclusions. I'm a big fan of what can be achieved using the Revel kit and admire how you are overcoming the difficulties. Several modellers have recently given us the admirable fruits of their labour on this forum; yours clearly demonstrates yet again what can be achieved; your own unique and admirable interpretation lifts the bar once again. Looking forward to your future posts.
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Valeriy, my question was intended to find out if your work was appreciated in your part of the world. NOT stir the hornets nest of politics. My first line ... ('Without wishing to get involved with politics, I hope my next question won't be misinterpretated.') ... was an honest statement. Please accept my apologies, my motives clearly not understood. I continue to be among the folk here who admire your excellent interpretive modelling skills and do grasp how unpleasant and difficult your circumstances must be. Your modesty is a lesson for people of all walks of life. May you have a long and happy life.
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Without wishing to get involved with politics, I hope my next question won't be misinterpretated. As this is a Russian ship and knowing how enthusiastic the modelling fraternity is in Eastern Urope and western Asia, what 'local' feedback your model has has generated, Valeriy? Like many others here, I wish you and yours well.
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I would imagine Valeriy's outsource options may be a bit limited temporarily. I think he previously mentioned he does his own plating at home.
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Coming along nicely. Right decision to remove those wedges, looking forward to seeing your solution for the bulwark supports. The His-Model deck looks impressive and covers a multitude of sins, though the deck fastenings and plank stepping bares no relation to the real deck before or after restoration. In fact one has to look hard to see the plank buts and fastenings at all on the actual ship. I must say your treatment of the deck houses is remarkable; you'd never guess they are the parts included in the kit. Keenly looking forward to future instalments.
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Your use of cotton is a good idea, Simon. You're not as daft as I look 🤓
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