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  1. shipman
    Thanks for that Without some serious upheaval, these books aren't close to hand. Honestly I never associated the CS plans with the books before. Tell me, are there drawings in the books that share the character of the CS ones, which are entirely hand drawn. That could be the clue as each artist has a unique style.
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    Yes, a wise move. You'll find the boats have a chain, due to the covers, appear to go over each end of the boat, attached to the skids by lashings
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    Hi, agree, at first the instructions are a little confusing. Until I did a thumbnail sketch from above, and proceeded to draw the lines. Even at a first and only attempt the result indicated what Hackney had in mind. That revealed the booms held by up and over loops and the boats held by diagonal crosswise threads. Surprisingly neat. Once the principle is understood it is clear how logical the process is, using the minimum of thread and attendant clutter. Give that a go! Looking at your boat placement, compared to boat storage on the actual ship reveals some proportional differences. For instance the inner edge of the lifeboat crutches is directly over the sides of the deck-house, ie moving the boats further apart, resulting in plenty of room between for the dinghy and booms of your choice. I recall similar advice I gave Bruma many moons ago; for which he was happy. Out of curiosity, I'd love to see film of the apparent palaver necessary to launch such boats sideways between the cranes which are always separated within the length of the boat.
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    Are you sure that is the same Campbell? That's a book I have, unfortunately not to hand. The first edition of Longridge has the Underhill plans as seperate fold-outs, tipped in. Larger scale plans (though the same) can still be purchased. https://www.skipper.co.uk/catalogue/item/clipper-ship-cutty-sark-sail-and-rigging-plan You may find a source for these your side of the pond. Leo, hi. You may well be correct, though it seems a lot of trouble adding 4 feet. I'm not sure of the dimensions, but could that be a reference to one or other of the deck-houses? At first glance they may look identical, but as sure as I am, sitting on my Penny Farthing, they arn't.
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    I noticed your comments elsewhere on the forum, giving some reassurance that you are well. That ladder is lovely. Very symbolic. Like all things in life, one step at a time.
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    Thank you. I'm not a big fan of Campbells' plans. To me they seem dubious. Employed by the London County Council, he was tasked to produce them when the ship was first displayed at the Festival of Britain (she was moored in the Thames at that time, with no public access). Beat me to a pulp, but I feel his plans were part of the promotion of the ship at that event, as a tourist take away. I know my opinion won't be popular, indeed I expect derision, but to me the Underhill plans are more reliable; he knew his ships and produced books and plans well before Campbell. Give me any other maritime contribution Campbell made? Thanks also for your profile photo, ;what a handsome well preserved chap you are. You could have been in the movies!
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    #246 'I also read that when first built, there was only one deck cabin, the second was added a couple of years later, though Hackney didn’t mention which one.' Yes, the fore deck-house wasn't there originally. Nice to know I was thinking along the right lines about the anchor chain/hatch arrangements. Though I have most if not all of the significant books, I don't recall mention these details specifically. Delighted you all enjoyed the photo 'game'.
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    'Who is who in the picture?' Left=you; has that swarthy confidence most Americans like to think they have. Center=Kevin; a very British character, like most of us looking a little weary of the world. Right=Bruma; that vaguely exotic appearance of your average Mediterranean chappie. Only joking, I just thought a little levity can be good medicine.
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    Kevin, there is another oblique way to tackle the issue of tiny deadeyes and their lanyards. You could 'cheat' and make a rigid assembly of the damn things by simply still having the deadeyes, but instead of reeving them, stick three pieces of stiffened lanyard stuff (perhaps using PVA) either side. I'm sure you're cunning enough to pull that off. That would give you the effect you need.
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    #235 That's a good photo of you, Kevin and Bruma when you visited the ship to compare notes, the black and white treatment gives it that period flavor 🤓 'bulleyes? Deck height bogey... I'm sure you've all noticed the outside of the bulwarks have a good depiction of the wash port lids, the bottom edge would give a datum for a properly lowered deck. These panels are rarely featured in photos. Anchor chain deck run... If I ever get my finger out (next winter/) my solution which would satisfy me at least, would re build the hatch in front of the winch and take the liberty of making it narrower! I may even consider iron deck plates for the chain to travel on. That whole anchor chain paradox continually 'bugs' me.
  11. shipman
    Think before you upload. Great chat up line in certain company LOL.
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    Kevin, hi. All the information on such topics has been covered one way or another on the forum. It has been my experience that getting into such nitty gritty is a laborious hit and miss affair, unless more often than not, you know exactly where to look, you can find it's a full time job. Other members kindly do point the way, but rarely give a proper link, so you're back where you started. An often overlooked resource are model makers on youtube who freely share such information.
  13. shipman
    Thanks Rob, most of that I am familiar with, but hopefully others will also benefit from your explanation,
  14. shipman
    #205 LOL!!!! It was me bidding against you on the books, Kevin. Sorry for pushing the price up at the last minute. Greedy really as I already have all 3! The ones you got look to be brand new, well done.
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    re #204 thank you. unfortunately that supplier says they won't ship to UK!?!
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    Don't forget, due to the angles of the shrouds the distances between top and bottom deadeyes varies front to back (fore and aft). That is if you want a nice straight line along the top deadeyes.
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    Going to be fun stropping the even smaller deadeyes above the tops.
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    Yo! #192 if that's 45lpi chain would you mind telling where it was bought, please? #193/195/196 The rope would indeed be a good fender. The 'thimbles' would certainly be iron or steel. Attaching the shrouds like that would certainly make maintenance/ repairs to the deadeye/lanyard assembly more practical. Should a top deadeye fail it would be a bugger of a job turning the cable around a new deadeye. #192 it would be a good idea to put some tape or shrink wrap around the teeth of those clips to avoid damage to whatever they are holding. Many moons ago I too suggested an index as you suggest. It was pointed out to me....'someone would have a time consuming job on their hands; are you volunteering?'
  19. shipman
    Well spotted. They aren't like that now are they.
  20. shipman
    Neither the Star of India or Balclutha were never designed or used as TEA clippers.
  21. shipman
    Ah, yes. Thank you. I've read so much over the years; at some point recollections can get a bit cloudy. Thankfully a chance detail comes up which helps put 'new planks on an old hull', so to speak. It's worth knowing that nearly all the wooden structures and masts etc were in open storage at Chatham when the fire occurred. So as the ship is now displayed, all or most of what you see was as it was before the fire. The fire consumed all the contractors equipment and the temporary 'tent', but not much of the ship itself, with much of the iron framing surviving, if a little charred and maybe distorted a little. Not withstanding any modern errors during reconstruction we are lucky to have what is at least a true monument to the ship and ships (long gone) of that era.
  22. shipman
    Without photographs (which could be used during most of Cutty's life)......NOBODY KNOWS 🤓 Please remind me.....who is/was Sankey and where is the model?
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    All pertinent questions. Ultimately, you have to decide on details gleaned from what is available. I lean towards Longridge; he was an educated man and I'm sure his reasons for how he did things are in his book somewhere. Revell: Their first US hull moldings included portholes along the full length of the ship. This was corrected before the kit was introduced in the UK. Apparently Revell went to a lot of trouble to get things right; either the sent someone over or employed someone here to do a thorough job of recording the ship when first displayed in the dry dock. After a thorough search of photos at that time, the portholes were indeed there. These had been introduced when the ship was a sail training vessel, giving light and ventilation to the students accommodation. There are too few photos of the ship when employed to train young seamen, but what there are show many details now long gone. For instance the boat booms were mounted alongside the fore deck-house; the upper deck was partitioned off by several transverse bulkheads....and so on. The removal of the row of portholes must have been done late 1950's/60's. I assume the first four photos are of the Longridge model?
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    Thanks for your kind comment, Kevin. Sails: There are several ways of depicting them. Hanging them as you say would have been normal in certain conditions; there doesn't have to be all up or down. Somewhere I've seen a photo where the Cutty is moored, drying the sails. After all it wasn't seaman-like to furl damp sails, that would be begging for mildew and rot. Depicting sails drying would be correct, but not very appealing visually as they would be just flat sheets hanging from the yards. Hope you don't mind my digressions; it isn't my intention to 'take over' your posts. But I do hope to be helpful when I feel I have something constructive to contribute.
  25. shipman
    #187 the steel standing rigging is wound with hemp and tarred to prevent corrosion, so unless you knew better, it isn't obvious.

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