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I concur with your opinion of most of the wooden kit renditions, though I have no wish to denigrate the folk who build them. Most (as an example) have planked bulwarks; they are sheet iron/steel on the ship. In addition, the wood provided is appalling quality, the grain being open and out of scale. By contrast the basic hull of the revel kit is pretty accurate, not withstanding obvious small detail issues which are easily remedied. As for the masts and spars, the fragility of the parts justifying scratch replacements in brass and wood. On the ship the belay pins are iron, painted black. The deadeyes are made of that very hard wood, Lignum Vitae, which is a dark brown. The often regarded as the bible 'plans' by Campbell, as someone here recently observed, aren't entirely accurate either. As I understand it he was commissioned to do them to compliment the ships first public appearance at the Festival of Britain in the early 50's. He was employed by the London County Council engineering department. I have no idea what his connection was to maritime affairs before or after. It would be enlightening to hear more of his background, what his sources were (other than 'conversations' with surviving sailors of the period). The original ships spec listed (naturally) accurate builders plans and a model. No trace of which survives. We do know the decorative elements at bow and stern were originally far different to those on the ship now. Like so much of history, there will be so much we'll never know.
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Another issue with the kit boards that the deadeyes and belay pins are mounted are at least double the width they are on the ship. Another cunning feature is that the pins locate between the deadeyes, so they can be set back. I would suggest drilling holes for new pins at the same locations where the kit ones are is pure fiction. I think you mentioned earlier about your marginal confidence tackling the rigging. If this build has already had you pulling your hair out with frustration, you must realise what lies ahead is when the party truly begins. That is when you find out your real character. Rigging explores your personality. It helps if you are already predisposed to being highly strung.
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When the time comes to be belaying lines to the pins I would guess it would be prudent to be careful. A tad too much tension could easily snap a few off; remember it's only plastic. I have two examples of the kit, one of which is the original UK issue (around 1962) with pre-painted hull, not only is the plastic on that one very brittle, it has dark brown swirls and smears as if the molten plastic wasn't mixed thoroughly. Looking forward to your updates. No pressure 😏
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re deleted #95. Here's another attempt to stay legal. A preserved original 'cat head' from the Cutty Sark....bugger! I attempted to ad a url only and up popped the image I was trying to avoid and not infringe copyright. Anyway, if you are interested, google 'cat head, cutty sark' at the Dumbarton Science Museum. You'll find several views of a delightful original specimen, without hurting any-ones felines.
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AVRO Lancaster by Papa - FINISHED - Airfix - 1/72
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Your and 'kevin-the-lubber' are both posting builds of this kit simultaneously on this forum. Each I;m following and where I can I hope to be making pertinent comments. Confusion between the two has made me realise you are approaching your builds with slightly different philosophy. In future I'll try and be more aware of that.
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Your and 'bcochran' are both posting builds of this kit simultaneously on this forum. Each I;m following and where I can I hope to be making pertinent comments. Confusion between the two has made me realise you are approaching your builds with slightly different philosophy. In future I'll try and be more aware of that. I've followed several builds of this kit, including 'Bruma's' admirable version. You are the first to spot the kit deck is too high; congratulations! That explains why the 'freeing ports' molded outboard don't register with the deck inboard. I've puzzled on this in the past, as I think those hinged flaps would be an interesting feature. I'm sure it would be a pig of a job to lower the deck, but should I ever start the two kits I have, lowering the deck would be essential. Enjoying following both these builds, each bringing new insights and solutions.
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Yet you seem to be retaining the grossly over scale belay pins? It's been a while since I actually read the Hackney book; however I have a lasting impression that he managed to produce a fair model of the Cutty, baring in mind the book was written in the mid 70's, primarily for the youth of the day with few tools or other resources. A touch of common sense would be required today. If I would build the Airfix kit as Hackney did, I'd be more than happy with it. And it wouldn't cost a fortune to do it.
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Yes Graham, the factory tour is a proper bucket list job. In some ways I was a little disappointed, so much of the cars are bought in, so in reality they are professionally built kit cars. And vastly over priced. T be honest, I didn't see anything I couldn't have done myself (SHOCK-HORROR). Blag a run in the recent 3 wheeler............incredible performance up to 100mph and so stable. You won't be disappointed. Being a biker, the lack of creature comforts is what I'm used to.
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Dan, i remember that movie. Very un-PC now, as Sellers was blacked up as an Indian doctor. At the start of the movie he turns up at a pool party in it. Isn't that the one where some famous beauty sang 'Doctor I'm in trouble'? By the way, the red Morgan is one of the newer types, the green one is mid 30's racer; similar to Mike's model. Each was radically different. The yellow one had a 1000cc sidevalve motor, a two speed gearbox, and direct steering which meant a full arm and shoulder work out. The green one, like the yellow one has a throttle lever on the steering wheel and was deceptively quick, running on methanol (OHV 1000cc). Three speed gearbox. The red one has a US made 2000cc S&S motor, five speed Miata transmission. Flooring the pedal flattened my eyeballs! Probably the best day out I ever had.
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1930 BENTLEY 4.5 LITRE by MadDogMcQ - AIRFIX 1:12th Scale
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#61 Hi Brian. Yes, I also built this kit as a teenager on the cusp of decimalisation. We weren't well off back then (lucky to have a matching pair of shoes). Even though we had very little pocket money, but we saved the pennies and could regularly afford to buy these kits. Not now it would seem; I'd shriek in horror at the thought of a teenager of mine coming home with a £100+ kit today. We had a lot of fun back then and learned a lot. I recon I built the entire Airfix range over a 2 to 3 year period. You'd think Airfix would have re-couped their molding costs decades ago, yet they still churn out the same old kits at premium prices, as if the kits were up to date molding technology. Nothing like being taken for a ride in an old, old Bentley. -
1930 BENTLEY 4.5 LITRE by MadDogMcQ - AIRFIX 1:12th Scale
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AVRO Lancaster by Papa - FINISHED - Airfix - 1/72
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Rule number one with plastic kits........doing a dry fit with EVERYTHING is essential. Stay calm and carry on. -
Are you sure that's a deadeye? looks like a gingerbread man to me😎
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Are you aware of the book by Noel Hackney? Though it relates to the smaller Airfix kit it's a well written step by step guide on how to build and rig. The basic principles will translate to the Revell kit, especially the methodical rigging tutorial. Just translate any specified sizes and dimensions to what you need. It's so easy to get bogged down with research. This book will guide you every step of the way without numbing the brain. Of course things can be done better, but this will give a convincing representation of what you're after. Well worth getting your hands on a copy.
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Here in the UK, since 'Brexit', anything mailed from mainland Europe, postage suddenly doubled or quadrupled. Some sellers won't even consider doing business with UK customers. Frequently items within the UK are shipped free, even if the item costs £1-£2! Buying ANYTHING transatlantic is a no no.
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Oh, while I'm at it..... I had the pleasure of examining Longridges model at the Science Museum model ship collection, now sadly CLOSED! At the time I didn't carry a camera. I've run exhaustive searches online, yet have found only one poor photo of that model. So at the moment at least, the only photo's available are the ones in the book. The model must be in storage, possibly at Chatham. If someone has the resources, I understand the museum will grant access (upon request) to most objects in their posetion and allow one to photograph them. I'm in no position to do that, but someone would do us a great service and do just that!
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Hello again Kevin. 'The ship and the model' was originally published in two volumes, combined into one edition in 1975. The combined edition reprints both books together. Referring to books 1 & 2 avoids confusion with pagination as these weren't altered. I don't have the original volumes to hand, but I'm sure they have separate plans and diagrams inserted into pockets inside the back covers; not a feature of the reprint edition. I'm lucky to have both versions. By constantly watching ebay it's possible to get either at reasonable prices. As is so often the case, when you want something, it isn't available or costs too much. Over the last few years I've managed to assemble quite a library of most of of the books deemed essential on this forum at reasonable cost, with the exception of the well known books from France. I wish!
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Doh! Me again. Page 164 of Longridge (book 1) has a line drawing of the 'booby hatch'. Page 135 (book 2) has a photograph showing a very different (to the model) image of the area immediately aft of the (what was then) the straight edge of the back of the forecastle including the central ladder. The 'scuttle' for the crew access below can be seen just forward of the ladder. Notice also the balustrades, which are similar to those at the break of the poop. Aft of the ladder is the forward hatch with a boarded cover. It's possible a similar cover was originally over what we are calling the aft 'booby hatch'. Enough boobies for one day.
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Hi Leo, the forward hatch can be seen just in front of the first photo's 'booby hatch'. It would seem when Longridge examined the ship (when she was still afloat of the south coast) that smaller hatch had been decked over. As can be seen, that smaller hatch has its own cover, similar in style to the other two. Again, I suspect all three hatch covers were erected for the benefit of the visiting public as part of the 1950's re-fit.
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My guess is the hatches above were put there after the original 1950's restoration to aid public access. One note: originally there was only one central ladder to the foc'cil (sp?). The run of the anchor chains would seem to dictate that. I've said it before, but the location of that forward hatch still is a mystery to me as the chains would quickly rip the hatch coming apart. It has been suggested when the chain was taken over the winch it would have been somehow elevated over the hatch, which to me seems very unlikely.
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Does this help? No idea where these photo's came from, but were taken before the fire. It would seem there were two such 'booby hatches at that time, one forward, the other aft, and probably identical. (I would be delighted to give credit to whoever took these images)
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