allanyed

Hi Aydingocer
This is great as you show a very clever way to do this with a simple tool such as your drill. 
 
Do the yards on a sixth rate have an octagon center quarter?  The octagon shape in the center quarter of the yards started about 1690 according The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, page 13 but Lees does not say if all yards on all rates had this design feature after 1690 so I am curious.  Volume IV of TFFM by David Antscherl describes the octagon on the yards of a 14 gun sloop.  If they do take this shape, it is probably easier to make the octagon at the maximum dimension needed, then sand as you have clearly shown leaving the center quarter as an octagon. 
Allan

Do not be too hard on yourself, it is obvious you are making a great effort to get things right and are to be congratulated for doing so.  
Allan

Barring the possibility of a personal visit to Mystic, try  https://mysticseaport.org/contact-us/   Using the number on this site you may want to call them first to get pointed to the proper person that will be able to help you rather than just sending a written enquiry. 
Allan

Welcome Geoff, glad to have you aboard!   
Allan

Barring the possibility of a personal visit to Mystic, try  https://mysticseaport.org/contact-us/   Using the number on this site you may want to call them first to get pointed to the proper person that will be able to help you rather than just sending a written enquiry. 
Allan

The pintles and gudgeons are fun little projects to practice soldering techniques, congrats for giving it a go!  If not too late, or for the future, the below shows the approximate sizes of the various parts and number of bolts on a typical 32 gun British ship in the 1790s.  I suspect the Spanish ships would be similar.    For your scale of 1:85, the straps would be 0.047" (1.2mm) wide, the pin would be about 0.035" (0.9mm) and the bolt heads would be about 0.018 (0.45mm)  Note the lengths of the straps and the number of bolts as well.  I show the dimensions of the lower one, but you can size the rest using the scale to get an idea of their respective lengths.  For the lower ones at your scale, they are about 0.53" (13.5mm) and 0.81" (20.6mm)     The materials used were typically copper or iron.  If you use copper you can blacken them once installed with liver of sulfur to represent iron or leave them clean to show as copper.  Again, it may be different for Spanish ships, but this information should be close.  
Allan

 
 

Welcome Geoff, glad to have you aboard!   
Allan

After a day of sanding in the sun, the lower part of the hull is sanded. Also the keel and stem are tapered.
All the screws holding Mary Rose upside down have been removed. And i gave her a cleaning with compressed air.

The keel is tapered using the cross-sectional drawings.

A bit straighter than the original...

Since there is little left of the stem. it was a bit of free interpretation.

And Mary Rose landed on her feet (oops, keel).

Now the build slip needs to be adjusted before continuing

Thanks for following, likes and comments.

Do not be too hard on yourself, it is obvious you are making a great effort to get things right and are to be congratulated for doing so.  
Allan

Do not be too hard on yourself, it is obvious you are making a great effort to get things right and are to be congratulated for doing so.  
Allan

Do not be too hard on yourself, it is obvious you are making a great effort to get things right and are to be congratulated for doing so.  
Allan

Great job Kevin. It is coming along nicely and will be very swell once you fix that aftermost piece of moldings.
 
Yves

I can see the issue Kevin, are you fitting the mouldings in individual pieces or long strips? The aftermost piece looks out of kilter which would throw the line off.
It needs a graceful curve to meet the Qtr gallery;
I would remove the last piece and run a length  across the ports, and fit it as it conforms to the sheer line, without paying too much attention to the manual photos.
From the bow to the  midships it looks just fine.
 
B.E.

Pintle and gudgeon.

Hello to all.  My name is Geoff and I have been lurking here for several months.  I just completed my first ship model, Drakkar by Amati.  I didn't want to post anything while building it for fear of the curse that plagues many first timers, the Abandoned Ship Model.  I'd like to thank everyone who has built this model and posted a build log.  It was extremely helpful.  I took pictures throughout my process and will post them later (I'm guessing in the Finished section).
 
Thanks again.
Geoff 

Here goes a stream of consciousness tangent:
 
I have the idea that an elliptical stern was considered as a significant improvement for frigates and corvettes starting early in the 19th century. 
I have been thinking that a circular stern happened around 1860 or later - and my focus ends at 1860. 
 
There was a famous - here - 1 to 1 frigate dual between HMS Shannon and Chesapeake.  ( I thought it was fought off the Virginia capes where I live.)  (Turns out it was off Boston.) (The Chesapeake captain was an amateur poseur idiot and got himself and a significant portion of his crew killed.  The Shannon captain was a gifted professional.)   I got Chesapeake plans from S.I.  I had to dig for Shannon.  HMS Shannon was a Leda class frigate.  There were a lot of frigates in that class.  They used the same plans: HMS Leda - probably traced - over and over - for every one of them.  They even drew the improved "ellipicical stern" in different colored ink on the original 18th century flat stern Leda plan (as well as a more "modern" forecastle).  The plan was so over used that there is a low contrast between the lines and the dark background.  The NMM offered different sized prints when I bought it.  I made the mistake of buying a reduced scale copy.  It was easier to place on my home scanner - which is why I chose it.  This was before I learned that commercial shops could scan a 4'x3' plan and give me a PDF copy on a USB stick.  It was touch and go for picking out the lines from the background.  
 

Jaager,
 
Thank you for your explanation. I don’t know if this is suitable for example of anachronism, we often see mid-18th century French ship with tricolor flag or 17th century English ship with Union flag containing St. Patrick Red X Cross.
 
Also I don’t know if this is suitable for example of sentiment to old days, elliptical stern would be one of revival of old stern appearance against unpopular round stern.
 
Kindest regards,
Mitsuaki

I was not thinking about being too "old fashioned" - anachronism from the past - because I mostly consider anachronism as referring to adding things that had not been invented yet.  I am not sure if "anachronism" even fits as a definition for using outdated tech. 
 
If you want to include 17th century tech on an 18th century ship, you could always say that the captain was sentimental and it was there to honor his grandfather who was also a captain in his time.   This is silly, but it is also possible.  A 5 inch revolving gun is not possible.
 
To be contrary and controversial  - adding a 5 inch gun mount or wings from a DC3 to an 18th century warship was the sort of thing that "kit bashing" was originally meant to describe.   I do not see how "to bash" can ever fit with the process of improving or augmenting parts that come with a kit.  "semi-scratch" seems to be a more appropriated term - if you fabricate the additions yourself.

Mitsuaki 
I agree with Dean, the holes for the pins in the first photo in post #4 above look much too large.   For some great information on making belaying pins take a look at the Euryalus build log by Matiz.   https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24583-hms-euryalus-by-matiz-scale-156/page/9/#comments,  posts #252, 253, and 254  as well as the photo from his log below.  He made all his pins to scale. 
Allan

Mitsuaki 
I agree with Dean, the holes for the pins in the first photo in post #4 above look much too large.   For some great information on making belaying pins take a look at the Euryalus build log by Matiz.   https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24583-hms-euryalus-by-matiz-scale-156/page/9/#comments,  posts #252, 253, and 254  as well as the photo from his log below.  He made all his pins to scale. 
Allan

Welcome aboard Miguel  Your project looks to be very interesting and hopefully a lot of fun.  I am sure you will get all the support you need (maybe too
much😀)  When I say too much, for example, when it is time for the cannon, please feel free to PM me as I have detailed drawings of three patterns of Spanish cannon covering circa 1715-1756, 1756-1765, and 1765-1805 that I can send to you if you want them and compare with your plans.   
Allan

The Vanguard boats really are good, but alas, the scale is wrong for your 1:72 build as Alistair states.    It is not very difficult to make your own  boats and they will look realistic.   There are a lot of contemporary plans and all the scantlings needed readily available if you want to give that a try.
Allan

Right you are, Allen. Although the rabbet does stay at 45 degrees for the length of the keel, once the curve of the stem starts things change. My little sanding block was only used for part of the entire rabbet. While I did use a small chisle for the 90 degree rabbet near the top of the stem, my skill with that tool still isn't as good as it could be. Perhaps someday.....

As Dave points out in his post #6 part of the difficulty in making the rabbet is that the angle is dynamic and is not at 45 degrees or any specific angle the entire length. Some folks have found that a SHARP chisel can be a far easier tool to use to get the angle required to match that of the frames/bulkheads. 
Allan  

Welcome aboard Miguel  Your project looks to be very interesting and hopefully a lot of fun.  I am sure you will get all the support you need (maybe too
much😀)  When I say too much, for example, when it is time for the cannon, please feel free to PM me as I have detailed drawings of three patterns of Spanish cannon covering circa 1715-1756, 1756-1765, and 1765-1805 that I can send to you if you want them and compare with your plans.   
Allan