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Tony, Well, only you would know. Gregor, You're confused?
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Hi guys, Re. the sheet horse/anchor cable question, I'm not sure that the cable running over the horse would solve the problem. If that were the case, wouldn't it prevent the lower sheet block from operating freely across the horse? The anchor cable has, I think, more or less to run close to the centreline and the edge of the fore hatch (in my case inboard of the shot garlands) in it's run from the windlass to where it passes below, through the fore end of the main hatch. It surely can't run in any other direction. Therefore, I think the problem might be that the horses shown on the models in Gregor's photos, are actually set too low. If the height of the horse were raised to clear the anchor cable, and then some (perhaps as much as just below knee height) in case the cable jumped about, I think that would solve the problem. Question: Would the height of the horse be measured in hands? Gregor, nice pictures, and they do remind me of the discussion – interesting but not definitive! Interesting too that you're going for the modernised rig, another difference between all the Sherbournes being built here. Btw, nice mast, looks just the job. To answer your surmise, yes, I have done a bit of sailing in my time – sadly, the last time was about twelve years ago now. Alasdair, It would be interesting to see which cutter you go for. Will it be scratch?
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Eamonn, I really don't know about a covering for the top part of the rudder hole, quite possibly there was one there too. I'll have to do a bit of investigation. Careful with the head scratching – I'd stop when your fingers get red.
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Eamonn, I agree, it looks good. As to accomodating the planks at the bow, like Jim I fitted a roughly triangular piece there, the after side giving a straight edge for the first few plank ends, before the, er, joggling begins. I think you might be able to still do that, if you wanted, and it would solve the problem. Anyway up to you. Nigel is correct, there would have been a 'rudder coat' as I think it was termed, and for the reasons he gives. As you say, the lower end was the more important, as regards water entering, so I think it was rather fastened below than from above. One of the logs had a detailed method of making such a coat, but I forget whose it was. I have an idea it was BE, perhaps in his Pegasus log, but I'm not sure. I'll have to check. I had actually been thinking I should make one for the Sherbourne – and may yet still do it!
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Gregor, Thanks for the photos showing versions of the staysail horse. Food for thought there, as its placing is somewhat critical, although I think I'm inclined to go with option three – the somewhat shortened version. To my mind this would both keep it out of the way of operation of the forward guns, and allow movement of the sail from one tack to the other. I'm not sure that shortening the horse would actually have that much effect on the sail setting, as this can be probably be adjusted by the sheet tackle. (Occasionally a horse is fitted for the main sail which is, of course, nowhere near the length needed for the practical operation of that sail.) Still debating whether to fit the headsail sheets, but I think I might. For the staysail, I was thinking of a cleat on the side of the upper block, to take the fall. Not quite sure if this would work, but I can't see where else it would belay. Have to think more about that. I will probably include both staysail and jib too, just to make it more interesting.
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Steady there, Eamonn - sounds like your slipping over to the dark side... And why not? What time does the joggling kick off then?
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Just been brousing through the AOTS Alert book and noticed that, in the photos of the Hawke cutter, her boat is on deck to starboard, rather than being centrally placed. I would have thought though, this would have made it impossible for the guns on that side to be used – perhaps another reason for the boat to be normally towed. From Peter Goodwin's description on the Alert, it sounds like the boat was centrally placed. I imagine the position varied between cutters.
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Hi Gregor, Nice job on those guns, with the surprise addition of the carronades. The whole model looks magnificent – although I'm not sure quite what the mate would make of the stowed oars! Re. the sails, as you say, I think the staysail (suitably folded) would most likely be stowed atop the bowsprit – that's how I intend to do mine, anyway. I suspect the traveller would have been run back inboard along the bowsprit, perhaps not all the way, and the jib itself furled into a sausage shape aft from the stay, along the bowsprit. Again that's how I intend to do mine when I get to it. As I approach the question of the head stays, I have been thinking a bit about this myself, and also whether to attach the sheets, and where they belay to. Methinks, again, there are few belaying points! There is also the question of the staysail sheet horse – and I don't mean the four legged variety! Goodwin mentions a horse of iron, across the foredeck, but it is not shown on the plans for the Alert (or at least I can't see one) so I'll have to make a guess as to where it is placed. I think that will have to be fitted before the forestay. Alasdair, Goodwin mentions in the AOTS Alert book that the boat was carried on deck, between the topsail bitts and the pumps. (It may have been smaller than mine though, as mine runs past the latter point!) Again he says that it was lifted off the chocks with tackles from the boom (admittedly, I haven't left much room) and manouvered over the side. The cutter had quite a large crew, so I don't think that would have been much of a problem. I would imagine too that, operationally, the boat would have been towed astern for much of the time. Btw, thanks for the compliment.
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Hi Frank, Tony and others above are right, the AOTS book Alert is for an English naval cutter of 1777, rather than your American vessel. I imagine the fact that pilot vessels are referred to as 'cutters' may have misled you. It's an interesting book though.
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Eamonn, It's not so bad when go get into it. Think of it this way – some people go jogging every day, nautical types go joggling!
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Iain, In short, yes its quite normal, and hits now and then. I actually haven't touched my Sherbourne for several days now, although I do have a cold at the moment which doesn't help. However I'm on the mend, and the urge to return to it is coming back. Re. your unequal bulwark strips, I hope you won't have an issue later with fitting the guns through the gunports, if one side is a little too low! I had that problem, the two after ones on the port side wouldn't fit (the strip was a little too low at the aft end) and I went to all sorts of trouble to sort it out until they did (and even now they just brush the top edge). I actually make up one of the guns when I noticed the problem, which helped. Anyway, looking good so far. Looking forward to more.
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Hi Bonjourmatelot, Welcome from yet another 'Sherbourner', or is that 'Sherbournite', or even 'Sherbournist'? Anyway, good choice of kit to start on, as you'll find out – or as second kit in my case. I think you'll find this a very enjoyable build, as I think we all have, and you can add as much detail as you like. You seem to have made a good start, and it's looking good. I think the 'starved horse' look, especially at the stern, comes from the fact that you probably didn't sand the last bulkheads enough, to follow the curve. Not to worry, as Eamonn mentioned, this can usually be overcome by sanding – and the second planking layer should just about, er, cover it. Good call on cutting through the tops of the bulkheads. I cut mine about halfway through and it certainly helped. I imagine like me you were frightened half to death by the words in the instructions, which said something like, 'with a pair of pliers, wrench off the frame tops'. I thought 'what? no way', having visions – perhaps nightmare's – of untold damage! Anyway, nice to have you with us, and I'm sure we'll help wherever we can – especially where the instructions are unclear, or downright confusing! Btw, can we know your name?
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Eamonn, I would actually suggest that your margin plank is a little wide. I can't find any figures, but I made mine about half as much again as the deck planking, which looks about right. I also fitted one, or rather three short pieces, across the stern between the standards, or support brackets for the transom. The standards on Sherbourne are longer than on your Ballahoo, so I had the problem of shaping the deck planks around them. Yours are much shorter, so I would think a margin plank here would accommodate these, giving you a straight line to begin the deck planking from. I also don't know if you remember this thread: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4058-how-to-do-deck-edging/ Hope this helps.
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Jason, She's looking great, and you made a very good job of the coppering. I agree with BE (as per usual) about the tension of the main stay; I wouldn't worry about it overmuch, so long as it has a nice curve. In fact check out photos of the Victory (before she was de-rigged) and you'll see that her main and fore stays sagged somewhat, due to the weight. It wouldn't have affected their job.
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Timmo, Lovely work on your headrails, and love your attention to detail. Looking forward to more.
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Eamonn, No, 'fraid not (I don't have the book), but I did read his section about sails on-line, which I thought was good. So, he cheats as well then?
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Eamonn, Somehow I think we'd know - and you'll jump to talking about hatch coamings, gratings and the windlass in your log!
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Ollie, Just catching up with your log of Mermaid, you've made a very good job. Regarding the sails, as has been said, there is a lot to learn there – boltropes, brails, seams, cloths, reef bands, etc. but, apart from the knowledge itself, it's worth reading to get it looking right. If you want to check out my log, page five is where I described how I made the mainsail for Sherbourne. There are also a couple of shots of it. As Eamonn mentioned, do also have a look at Mike's log, re. the excellent sails on his Badger.
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Eamonn, Thanks, I see that now, having had a quick look at Jim's log. As to your other question, no, I planked the whole deck first – other than for the aformentioned apertures.
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Eamonn, 'Margarine plank'? – you'll be going for the slippery deck look, then. I'm not familiar with the 'Ballahoo', but are not the holes for the masts pre cut – as with the Sherbourne? I would imagine that the anchor cables go down through the grating at the fore end of the fore or main hatch, again as per Sherbourne, spurling pipes not having been invented then – or at least I don't think so.
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Eamonn, There, there... as for the 'sssss's' take as many as you need - that's what I've found anyway! Oh, and the reason why you do this - is because your bonkers, like the rest of us. Seriously though (?), sounds a good plan. The trouble with plans though, as I think you've just found with the plank widths, is they usually don't match with reality – isn't life wonderful? I don't know if you've stuck the planks down yet, but perhaps you can change one of two for slightly wider ones. I imagine you'll be fixing the margin plank first (good idea btw to cut into three). Then you just cut, into it where the planks need to be joggled, with a sharp blade. Take it from me, you'll get a great sense of satisfaction when you've done the first one. When all's said and done though, if the deck's slightly out, you're probably not going to notice it later with all the deck fittings in place.
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Jan, Sorry to hear you are unwell. Hope you get better soon, when your Sherbourne will be awaiting your return. We will be too.
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Eamonn/Timo, I certainly think charts make a good background for a model, plans too. Timo, you may certainly 'borrow' the idea – although I'm sure it's been done before me. I'm going to do the same with the other side of the bookcase, which at the moment has the first model I made, Billings Bluenose ll (somewhat bashed, with no plastic apart from the wheel). Eamonn, actually there is something to fit before the forestay – a horse on the foredeck. No, not the four–legged variety, but a spar across the deck for the staysail sheet. I'll say more a bit about it in my Sherbourne log when I get to it – as I don't want to hog yours.
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Hi Eamonn, Ok, I think whatever you decide she'll look good. Thanks for your kind words re the Sherbourne. Yes, the chart behind her is more or less permanent. It actually shows Nelson's chase following the French across the Atlantic, just before Trafalgar. Not quite the right time frame for the Sherbourne, but never mind, and I still have to put a frame around it.
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