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Thank you Chaptman Yes I have read about that also in the fight against Aegean pirates, where the chase in no wind state, was kept on by rowing boats. But again in this case the boats were parts of the chaser ship. In my cases these small fleets (one schooner and 12-13 boats), were formed quikly to seize the chance. And what make me wonder is , whether was posible some of those specific type of boats (is narrated as "maltese" boats), could be kept in ports or near by, for these kind of missions. Thx

Thank you both. Yes, it's rather something similar since the tactic in Danish gunboat war, was exclusively between armed small boats attacking a target. In my cases there were only armed men using the unarmed boats like tranfering vessels. Thx

Hello all. I'm in the middle of a search related to an Ottoman small rowing boat, maybe also with some kind of riggs, back in 1800. In two historical cases, this kind of boat in a number of 12-13 of them full of gunmen, were accompanying-supporting a schooner, as all togethere, were attacing in an enemy vessel. Does this pattern indicates a kind of a naval tactic of that time. Is there someone who could inform me about. Many thanks in advance. Thx

Hello. Having inventing this "my way of seizing" I would suggest to take a look in the below sketches. A. Shows how you should fold the thread around the bowsprit if there are already other rigging stuff alongside. It also shows the "premade" seizing, from which all the thread's edges should pass. Here the seizing is off the tool but it would be easier if you pass all the edges of the threads while the seizing is on the tool. B. Shows the already placed seizing (still a bit loose) and the deadeye in the upper loop. C. Shows that first you have to tighten the maine thread and then the thread of the seizing. At the end there will be a double loop around the bowsprit and a single one around the deadeye. Cut all edges and a bit of glue will secure the whole set. I hope it could be helpful. Thx

Hi. There is also the below fishing tool which is called "Tie-fast knot tiyer" You can see its uses for ship modeling in the link. My way of seizing Thx

Hi Cristiano. I just visited your build log, and I find your work amazing. Congratulation for your search and certainly for your beutiful model. Thanasis

Congratulations George. I just show your progect, having stay away from Pcs for the summer and I'm amazed by your scratch building method and the excellent and beautiful result. I'm looking forward to see your work on "Karteria". Thx

Hi again. This is what I found in another book...

Hi. According to my library, Those blind chain plates, seem like additional suport (beneath) for the channels themself. The eyebolts could be fitted for general use...(?). Thx

Hi. See whether these sketces could help you... Thx

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Many thanks Liste. You are as always much analytic in your explanations. However I must say you set new elements in this discussion for which there are no (I don't have) any information from hystorical Gr texts I've read nor for the total Carron's products to rely on. These are the comertial for merchant use (special or by order I guess) carronade and the gunnade. And although I accept any simple description for the weapon from a ordinary sailor of that time, or from an with less knowledge historian, I don't know how to see this description from an English naval officer, who, I point out again, writes about gunnery results without ful information about the gun or its nationality. In any case, I really thank you all for this discussion which was much enlightening, at least to conclude that I can make only guesses. Thanasis

Thank you all for your participation. I must say that, like in some other threads in this forum, I'm trying to exam infos that are revealed in texts from here and there, about a weapon on a schooner. What was written, is that on the schooner was a "big cannon" or "a heavy gun" or "a 48pdr gun" or "a gun with big caliber" or "a carronade" or "an obusier (howitzer)" and so on. The weapon was set in the prow as chase gun and nothing more. So examing the case of a carronade and as far I know, between 1800-1822 there was not 48pdr carronade but as I recently found, a Spanish 48pdr obusier (howitzer) that was used in Trafalgar naval battle (1805). According to what is written the French answer to a " carronade" was a 36pdr obusier (howitzer) and I don't know I should say, that in this naval battle, the English were refering to French captured "obusier de vaisseau" (naval howitzer), as carronade. Next I'm coming to the use of that weapon. If was a carronad, could be used as chase gun? As I' ve read it was used as unti-personel weapon. Couldn't its small range be a problem as chaser? I also have read that there were many type of carriages for a carronade to be placed on but despite the way, I want also to exam how the Spanish vertion obusier (howitzer) could be operatted. And finaly about the shot (ball) of a 48pdr cannon. No matter what the weapon (48pdr carronade of the text) was loaded with , why on the schooner were shots (balls) of a 48pdr cannon? Many thanks

Thank you Wefalck. So, if I understand well, you also assume that. a. He refers to a carriage that was giving the ability to move the barrel also left or right. b. There should be a deck fitted pivot for securing the carriage and safe fire from the weapon. c.Yes, there was not traversing carriages at that time (1821) and especialy in a schooner, so that carronade coudn't be in a gun port possition. As about the shot, I gather that a 48pdr carronade could fire a 48pdr cannon ball under conditions. Thank you

Hi all again. Sorry, I was waiting the resurrection of my pc to get back... So I pretty please for your help to my following queries about the writing of the text in the first post. a.The writer describing the carronade, specifies that is on a swiver and what we assume, is that he reffers to a mounted pivot-carriage. If I'm not wrong, the carronades were produced mainly on a pivot-carriage and had the ability to move up and down by a screw. So, can we assume that by using the term "swivel", determines that it was placed on a carriage by which had also the ability to move left and right? And if is so, can we consider that this carronade was not placed in a gun port (which it would set limitations) but maybe amidship or in the prow? b. Why the writer again specifies that the carronade was loaded by "a shot (ball) from a 48pdr gun (cannon)"? I'm not familiar but this seems to me that the carronade was loaded with a non proper ammunition, something for its own. Am I right? I would like to have your opinions. Ps: My English can't help me to see the defference between pivot and swivel. Many thanks Thanasis

Thank you all. My last finding might explains everything.... I would appreciate if someone can confirm what I read somewhere that "the French supplied the Spanish with their own French made obusiers". http://www.histarmar.com.ar/InfHistorica/ArtilleriadeMarina/8-obuseros.htm

Many thanks wefalck. The text it's from a translation since from the hardcover appeare that the book was published in London. The rest of your information are much convinient with what I also tent to belive in my research. However, it seems to me rather inaccurate for a Naval officer and in his "Memoir on the use of..." to reffer to his conclutions leaving ambiguities.!? I would be much obliged if you can direct me to a source, for placing big guns on slides. Thank you Thanasis

Thank you all again. So to get back in the text, this is a part from the "Memoir on the use of shells , hot shot and carcass shells from ship artillery", by Frank Abney Hastings, captain of the Greek steam vessel of war, karteria. London 1828. So, we have an experianced naval officer and also inventer of a 68pdr carronade form for "Karteria", who is exposed (for his knowledge) by publishing his memoir and sets queries.? Why he uses the term "swivel" instead of "pivot".? Why he describes a gun as 48pdr carronade, although there was not such a caliber for carronades at that time.? Wasn't he able to recognise a gun from a carronade.? What should I guess. Thx

Thank you all for the quick response. You confirmed also my doubts about the 32pdr "carronade" in the photo. The photo is from Osprey Publishing "Napoleonic naval armaments 1792-1815" and there is another photo on page 7, for which I would like to read your coments...How a long barrel gun, can defined as "caronade"? Thank you

Hello all. I have found a text and and an image on which I would like to have your comments please. The below text says about a 48pdr carronade on a swivel! Is that posible or it means something else? The below photo is described as a 32pdr carronade and is shown on a swivel. How come this gun is defined as "carronade" and could be a 48pdr carronade attached on a same-similar swivel. Many thanks in advance. Thanasis

Hi all. This is "My way of seizing." Thx

All the above that Phil said and just another tip that should also be considered. The storage and the treatment of the tape, every time after the use of it. If you thowing it away (as I used to do), or keep the tape on the bench being hit by other stuf while you are working, the edges of it get curves.Then the dust gets in and you might have weak glued points on the surface of the hull. I use an ordinary masking tape on my models, but to eliminate any misfunction or misstreaement, I create a new strip-edges on an initial strip of it, by using a ruller and a sharp cutter on a plate of glass. Thx