Thanasis

Hi Nails. I would be ungrateful if I stayed still silent... I didn't dare to make any comment until now, thinking that it would be like if I was judging you on every step of you built. And I don't have the right since I'm not even close to your level. So, you have built a beautiful model that has been created through an inspiring modeling school for all of us. Congratulations Thx

Thank you all for your likes and comments.! Kostas nice to see you still here.. Friendly to all. Thx

Hello all. You might have noticed my absence but I’m still here… Well, it’s been a long time since a previous presentation work of mine but I’m not notorious for accurate build logs anyway. So I have come to prove myself again … I started the model one year before accepting the challenge to build a model with open hull. I didn't work on it regularly, so that's why the lack of many photos, not that I have in my mind to take photos in other case… I chose to represent a vessel from my place of origin, the Island of Mytilene (Lesbos). It was a small double ended vessel (Tserniki type) which was used for coastal trading. It was usually rigged with a half lateen sail or a sacoleva sail (sprit sail). ...... I observed many photos of that vessel from the archives of 3w.naftotopos.gr and I modified an old plan of that hull type. I built the model following the method plank on bulkheads removing a number of them afterwards from the middle of the hull. I prepared the false frames by soaking proper pieced of wood, bending them and drying them on the surface of the removed bulkheads. ...... I had to paint the inner of the hull before I plank the deck and keep it covered for the rest of the construction. ...... The grapnel anchor was made by using fishing hooks that were set and glued inside a hole in a plastic rod, while the cleats on the mast were made by modifying some fishing swivels… The Shackles were made as is shown there The Belaying pins were made as is shown there The Sails were made as is shown there The cargo was made by chopping some twig pencils. It took me much time to decide about the colors on the model…Painting is always the only stage of my builds that stresses me. Wanting to give a local-origin character in my models, I'm always anxious whether I have chosen the right colors or I have turned it to a clown. ...... Finally the stand was made by a piece of plywood and some wooden rings which were cut in half. I hope my wife won’t notice the missing curtain hoops... See the finished model in gallery. Many thanks

I'm not a fan of kit models but I would like to see many more Mediterranean and more humble (less known) sea vessels (not Ancient). Thx

Many thanks!

I have also used a similar to Chuck's tip. I opened up the rope and passed through only one of the three strands. After applying some ca glue, I cut the two other strands and made some turns around the rope with the first one, covering so the cuts and simulating the seizing. Tserniki vessel of Mykonos Thx

Beside wood and time saving, a full length plank can give you smoothly the curving lines of a hull, rather than a row of small planking parts. But that depends on everyothers will. Thx

Hi. Depending on the length of the dowel (upper mast) see whether you can cut it in two pieces. Then open holes, at both pieces and place a metal thin rod (unbendable) that will connect them from within. Put the metal rod at one piece of wood at a time and after you have applied some ca glue on its surface. Finishing you can cover the cut by a hoop, as a part of the rigging. That's I would try before I turn to make a new one. Thx

I will agree with wefalck up to a point. According to Gr. book "About the rigging of the ship" (Περί εξαρτισμού των πλοίων) of 1919 at page 96, the hem of a sail is not being folded (back) and sewed alone but there are additional fabric strips, that are being placed at the front of the sail and then are sewed together. Also in the Gr. book "Terms of sail ships" (Ονοματολόγιο ιστιοφόρων) of 1890 at page 112, there is the French term "les doublages" that is referring to fabric strips that are being sewed at the sides of a sail to give reinforcement. It doesn’t say on which side (back or in front) so I can only guess what that "doubla" means. So at least me, I can accept hem on both sides of a sail. If someone can read Greek, I can place photos of those pages. Thx

Mike, I use that cotton fabric that is being used for bed sheets which first I have ironed it well. I use a sharp razor, I press the fabric with a metal ruler and I make the cuts over a piece of cardboard. Thx

Hi Mike. Yes this is a part of my lazy technique, when I make sails for my models. Take a look there: Aegean Tserniki vessel Thx

I don't know what kind of grommets were being used on the sails of Arrow. To my knowledge the grommets as sewn metal eyelet (not as hammered grommets) were known at that period. Certainly wefalck's method could imitate also the sewn ones. Thx

Hi Mike. Make the holes on the sail-s. Then insert the point of a pencil in every hole and give it some twists, marking this way the perimeter of each hole. Make the same in the other side and the result will give the illusion of a grommet. After the marking on the holes, you can reinforce them by inserting a toothpick which you have soaked it a bit with ca glue and give it again some twists. That's what I do. Thx

From my library. Thx

Hi all, Could be also considered these rigging items as "fairleads" or is something else. I haven't seen them before. Thx

Hi Chazz. Take a look at the links http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8936-zip-ties-yes-or-no-for-seizings/ http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/1255-question-on-false-seizing-zip-seizing/ (Sorry, but if you have problem with the second link , I don't know why it doesn't work properly...works perfect through the first link though) Thx Thanasis

Hi Derek. I had also bought one pack of those to find out that they might do what are promising only when the planks are in low thickness and with a gently tension of the screw. Otherwise, as it happened for me, that small plate tends to distorting, pressing only the closer to screw side of the plank... Now, I use those plates in a combination with board pins (instead of screws), which because of the wider base, they prevent the plate to be deformed. As about the pre-drilling on the bulkheads, a smaller in diameter than the screw drilling, usually helps. Thx

Hi. John here's my tip, fast and cheap. Take a piece of relatively soft wire at a thickness close to the side of the thimble you want to create. By the "side" I mean the part of the thimble that it will stay uncovered when the thread (rope) is placed. Fold the wire in two pieces and make a loop around a rod in a proper - required diameter. Cut the rest of the wire and apply some ca glue between the formed loops. Then with a fine file, make flat the curved edges at the side and you've have your thimble... Thx

A Greek proverb says: "When you hear of many cherries, hold a small basket”... The ship models can be seen also there: http://greekshipmodels.com/en/home/ Thx

Thanks Jack. Unfortunately there is nothing to give any clue about those boats. I haven't found any similar boat or rigging in Gr marine tradition. Although they both have "penna" (Bermuda) rigging, it differs from the "penna" that was used in Gr. vessels. In addition the rudder and the tiller don't have Gr. character... Many thanks

Hi Jack and thanks for the info. Do you Know whether the boats in the photo (taken in Kalamata Peloponnese-SW Greece) belong also to Italian marine tradition (hull and rigging). Thanks

Hello all. Portuguese fishermen might still use something similar, not to say the same at least at the end of the stem of the galliot bow. From the photos I guess that, either they were using something made of rope like the "baggywrinkle", or they might would cover a proper wooden shape, with a sheepskin. That would explain what it seems like heavy load at the edge of the yards. What remains, is to ask a Portuguese fisherman, about the name or even the construction of that. Thx

EJ_L. Many thanks for your comment but it isn’t my idea. As I mentioned before, I just recall it from the past, having seen it as another member’s tip. I wish I could remember his name to give him the deserved praise. Wefalck, say that nothing happened. Really no hard feelings at all. Just to mention, that being ship modeler from almost 20 years, I faced twice that an idea of mine was "stolen" and was presented in forums as their ideas. I won't tell you the tips nor the nationality to protect them just only it was in the days of DryDock models forum. In one case, he probably didn't manage to come in a result and in addition, he had used one of the photos of my own presentation. They were run out of luck and I found them.... Through the messages we exchanged, I felt the embarrassment and their shame when I demanded to delete the posts and forget the issue. So, having this experience, I couldn't even think to copy another's tip and present it as mine. It wouldn't make me richer. Thx

Thank you all for your comments mates. Wefalck. I accept you explanation, although I would prefer this 'tongue-in-the-cheek' expression been placed at the beginning of your sentence, or with a more relevant emoticon... To set you free from the translation (you may write it if you like) just tell me whether in the text is there any reference on haemostatic pliers with hole to make scratch marks, or small hinge to shape the shackles over. I won’t expect to find any reference on PC processor though. In case of not, then the word “exactly” (the same), should be used with care. Thanks

Thank you all for your comments mates. wefalck . Thank you also for your notice. Well, believe it or not I wasn't even thinking to involved with ship modeling back in 1980 (at my 18) therefore at that time I wasn't following any ship modeling magazine and especially in German language, which I don't speak or write. Wanting or not to accuse me, and being (me) a bad user of the English language, what really bothers me in your notice, is your words "probably" (I don't read German) and the "exactly" (same technique). By those words what I get, is that you have doubts whether this technique is not a copy and you decided to share it with the forum. I really can't read the text in the pdf of your link, so apart from what I can see (a drawing which shows a piece of wire being flattened at its edges - what else someone could think at first making shackles), I would like to translate the text and point me out the "exact" same procedure. Many thanks