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Lou: Well, if I do get to Mystic, I'll give it a try. Thanks.
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Mike: The Charles Wittholz plans are the plans for the replica. I got a copy from the guy that was in charge of the restoration after the original boat was blown over during a winter storm. Lou: Depending on the status of the virus, I'll be going to Mystic in October. I usually go a day early so I can spend some time at the seaport. That's the best I can do right now. Cheers.
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Hey Mike. A person at your Society, I believe it was Richard Ring, send me 6 photos of the brownell model that you have on display. It's a good model, but I wish I had the Davis plans it was based on. Anyway, I am grateful for the photos. Cheers.
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Thanks Mike. I can read the document, but not obtain a copy. Is there a way to purchase a copy? Cheers.
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Really enjoyed your presentation last night. Thanks a lot.
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WOW. Thanks a lot Mike. I'll certainly read this source. I'm fond of the Davis/Brownell models. If I knew about them I'd have relied on these models rather than the plans for the replica. If you're interested, our club has virtual meetings each month. We get 'guests' from all over the US and now Canada. Let me know if you want to attend a meeting so I can inform our president to let you into our Zoom setup. Cheers.
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The hull is done and I’m ready for the formal launch. The binnacle is put in place and tied down. I made the windlass ratchet stopper from a 3/32 square piece which was carved to look like a square ‘C’. Also, a 1/32 x 3/16 piece of basswood strip was shaped and sanded. A small hole was drilled through the square carved piece and then a hole was made in the base of the strip. I inserted a length of fishing wire so the stopper will move. Then I carefully measured the necessary height and glued the stopper onto the bow sprint bit. The result looks pretty good. I hope my description is clear; it's hard to see in the photo since it's all black.
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Thanks Lou. I don't think there is really any more research out there. I wasn't aware, but the model at the Rhode Island Historical Society was built by A.S. Brownell in 1926. It is based on planes by C.G. Davis and Brownell. If you accept personal messages I'll send the photos that the Society sent me. Cheers.
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Thanks Lou. I got it wrong in that the Brownell does NOT have the yellow rail or stripe. And the Davis does and is the model in the Mystic Seaport Museum. Sorry about all the trouble I'm causing. I absolutely am impressed by all the photos and the research you've done. I can't wait to get back to Mystic. Cheers.
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Lou: I'm a bit confused about the model photos/ The Davis and Brownell models are very similar. I think that the Brownell has a yellow stripe on the hull and the Davis does not. If that is true, I think some of your photos are labeled wrong. Can you please check and let me know which is which. Thanks.
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Thanks again Lou. I like the Bromnell model. And you should come east; perhaps for our Joint Clubs meeting (assuming it will take place). If you consider a trip, I'll give you updates on the final date. It may not happen until October. Any research/photos are welcome. John Rathbun is a true early American hero that very few people have ever heard of. Cheers.
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WOW Thanks Lou. Lots of great stuff here. There is a one day 'conference' here on the east coast called Joint Clubs held just outside Mystic, Ct. each year. We missed last year, but we are, hopefully, on for this August. I'll spend some time at the museum and check this out. I like the Charles Davis model because it's all black (above the water line). I'd really like to see more photos of it from other angles and some close-ups. Really impressive. Thanks again.
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Lou: Can you send me the tags the Providence models and the two museums. I can't find the models on either web site. Thanks.
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Thanks for the kind words Tim. I don't imagine my works would sell. They aren't really 'museum quality' by any means. Cheers.
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I’m moving along with work on the hull. First I installed stairs leading from the quarter deck to the main deck. The stairs are a little wide, but I think they would’ve been busy. I also made a binacle. It has the normal setup - in the middle is the lantern I made last summer, along with two compasses. I tried to make sure both compasses are pointing in the same direction. Please note that the binacle is not glued onto the deck yet. And, finally, I installed the rudder using the Syren Pintles and Gudgeons kit.
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Thanks Bill and Lou and the 'likes'. Lou: I'm going to leave it white. It used up almost all of my holly planks.
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I finished planking the quarter deck. That includes some planks, and decoration, along the side of the hull. I don’t have much to say about this, because it’s all quite normal. No problems at all. And the boat looks even more black.
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I’ve mounted the stern piece and a few pieces along the sides. Not much to say, just a matter of glueing and holding it in place for a while. The boat is looking more black.
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Lou: I only meant that my next project will have proper plans from the National Maritime Museum or some other reliable source. Perhaps the HMS Halifax. Cheers.
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One more thing. Apparently the Continental Congress, in around 1778, specified that the Continental flag should have 13 strips and 13 stars in a blue canton. Note that the number of points of the stars was not mentioned; nor was the color of the strips. A proper designation of a flag was made in around 1783, but even here the arrangement of the stars was not specified and the plan was for an additional star for each state as well as an additional stripe for each state. After 15 states, the number of stripes was changed to always be 13 with a star for each state.
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Lou: Great talking with you. The site with the Grand Union flag in question is here, "http://www.loeser.us/flags/revolution.html". This site also has the correct history of the Betsy Ross flag. Anyway, making the model has been fun, but I'll only use reliable plans in the future. Cheers.
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Lou: I agree about the color of the balwarks. The Constitution has green on the interior balwarks and white on the lower gun deck. Even the HMS Victory has white on its gun deck. I've gone to several web sites about the flags of the revolution. The Grand Union flag with red and green stripes was apparently a variation. The red, white and blue is listed as a variant also. And the Holman painting has the Providence with red, white and blue strips. All my models are revolutionary ships. And my last has the New England pine tree in the canton with red, white and blue strips. I intend to use the same flag that is in the Holman painting. Again, evidence is lacking and, at times, contradictory. Cheers.
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Lou: Thanks for your reply. I never thought of painting the inner balwarks green. I remember when I visited the USS Constitution that it's balwarks were green. I just followed my previous models and painted them red. Too late now. I also know that the Continental Union ensign, which usually had red and white strips with a Union Jack in the canton, had several different strip patterns. Some with red, white and blue strips and a few had red and green strips. An early admiral liked the different colors since it helped him identify which ships were which. Sounds wild.
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