Eibwen Posted January 27, 2016 Share #1 Posted January 27, 2016 So, I have been loving sculpting things using a salt dough and y trusty hobby knife (for my ship) and I do not know where to put them so it is really better to have plans when making a ship (since it is custom made) So, do you have any ships which are heavily decorated? Full with sculptures and figurines? Full with Gilded structures?? any ship can do if it has those listed above I appreciate your help gotta love this -Eibwen ScottRC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 27, 2016 Share #2 Posted January 27, 2016 Salt dough ? Whats that brother ? Ersatz Play-Doh. ScottRC 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Salmson 2, Speeljacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 27, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted January 27, 2016 Salt dough is a clay alternative, me, being a bad builder, I use drops of superglue to the sculpture and it hardens (the dough will sip the liquid in) Baking it in oven works just fine ScottRC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiloh Posted January 27, 2016 Share #4 Posted January 27, 2016 What was most highly decorated ship of the Vietnam War ScottRC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted January 27, 2016 Share #5 Posted January 27, 2016 You may wish to take a look at these 2 vessels - plans produced and sold by AAMM: LA COURONNELA REALE DE FRANCE Taubman these later 17th Century 3 deck vessels ROYAL KATHERINEPRINCE I think these are kit plans, I would verify that the hull is the correct length before I used them. There was a set of plans where the person drafting the kit plans mistook keel length= touch for keel length= LBP. generating a vessel that was about 25 feet too short in hull length. ScottRC 1 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 27, 2016 Share #6 Posted January 27, 2016 Wasa was also heavily decorated. GLakie, ScottRC and Canute 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted January 27, 2016 Share #7 Posted January 27, 2016 Brian, I am not sure if he is referring to the same salt dough that I know, but: salt dough is what Chinese cooks use to make a dish called "beggars chicken". It is a mixture of 2/3 flour, 1/3 salt, and enough water to make a cement-like dough. It is rolled out, then the chicken placed inside with herbs and flavourings, then the whole thing is sealed to make a parcel, then baked. The chicken cooks in its own juices, and no moisture or flavour escapes. When it comes out of the oven, it is rock hard and needs a hammer to break it open, revealing the tender chicken inside. The story goes that a beggar stole a chicken. When the farmer came looking for his chicken, the beggar wrapped the chicken in mud and threw it into the fire. This resulted in the most tender, juicy, and intensely flavoured chicken he had ever eaten, so a new dish was born. I still get excited whenever I am served this. I had never thought of using salt dough for modelling. Salt dough is easy to handle, softens with water, easy to clean, and holds details well. The only question is - how durable is it? ScottRC, mtdoramike, CaptainSteve and 4 others 7 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted January 27, 2016 Share #8 Posted January 27, 2016 Keith, I had a similar Spanish dish at Casa Bottim's in Madrid. Needed a hammer to crack the clay, but a most aromatic chicken dish. MMMM! As far as salt dough, must be an inexpensive modeling clay-like concoction. Around here, I think they bake it to hold it's shape. ScottRC and CaptainSteve 2 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottRC Posted January 27, 2016 Share #9 Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) Salt dough ? Whats that brother ? A non toxic, easy to make, substitute for clay that backfires when introducing it to young children. Its pretty much flour, some Kyro syrup, and salt mixed with water into a paste. It can be poured into molds, or shaped and sculpted, and then baked to hold form. After its baked, it can be carved, like an old piece of salt tack. I remember my Kindergarten teacher making it for us to sculpt Christmas ornaments. Somehow, after these were baked, the ornaments had a appetizing smell so I licked mine, a Christmas tree, and it tasted good, so, along with the mint flavored paste used to glue on additional decorations, became an afternoon snack. The dog also thought they tasted good. After getting told by the teacher to quite eating the dough and make my dang ornament, I did happen to get a really cool Christmas tree made, complete with lights, tinsel, bulbs, and a gold star on the top, that any six year old would be proud of. My parents were proud too, and let me hang it myself a full 3 feet from the ground, just far enough for our spaniel to take notice, and around midnight, turn my beloved ornament into a late night snack. About twenty years ago, I was helping my mother clean out some old boxes when they were moving to a new house, and at the bottom of one box, was a half eaten, salt dough ornament of a Christmas tree. Other then a few minor cracks, it held up well for forty years. Edited January 27, 2016 by ScottRC Keith_W, Canute, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote Current Builds: Revell 1:96 Thermopylae Restoration Revell 1:96 Constitution COMPLETED Aeropiccola HMS Endeavor IN ORDINARY Planned Builds: Scientific Sea Witch Marine Models USF Essex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 27, 2016 Share #10 Posted January 27, 2016 Many Dutch ships from the yachts (Utrecht, Rotterdam, Amsterdam) to the ship of the line (Seven Provincien, Vlissingen, Bleidorp, Prins Willem, etc). Marc Canute 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted January 28, 2016 Dayumn, I found out that most ships that are heavily decorated are Dutch ships! then I think second to that would be the French just a thought thanks a lot -Eibwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 28, 2016 Share #12 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) I would say that from a sculpting point of view the French are more interesting than the Dutch. The Dutch din't go far beyond basic carving. (and painting it kind of goldish). Quite a lot of it on many of their ships, but not very elaborate in terms of sculpting. Salt dough, ah, sweet memories. Kindergarten, schoolparties. Fun to do. Easier to handle than heavy clay. undestructible when baked. Jan Edited January 28, 2016 by amateur Canute, flying_dutchman2 and ccoyle 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted January 28, 2016 For anyone wondering about how I use salt dough for deco, here, you're welcome Its the stern gallery of my new ship avsjerome2003, CaptainSteve, EJ_L and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted January 28, 2016 the windooooooooooow!!!!!!! I have to fix mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 28, 2016 Share #15 Posted January 28, 2016 Do you bake the stuff, or are you letting it dry by air? If baking: do you have any issues with shrinkage? Jan mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted January 28, 2016 Share #16 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) The most heavily decorated ship of the American Navy was the USS President. When launched in 1800, she had a triple figure head, consisting of the bust of George Washington sitting on a rock, supported on either side by two full length female figures, each representing an important virtue. Edited January 28, 2016 by uss frolick mtdoramike, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #17 Posted January 28, 2016 (edited) Jan, whenever I placed them on the hull, they become hard (must be because of the chemical reaction due to the superglue, as I said before) best regards -Eibwen Edited January 28, 2016 by Eibwen mtdoramike, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #18 Posted January 28, 2016 oh! thx frolick, uss president was such a wonderful frigate! Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted January 28, 2016 Share #19 Posted January 28, 2016 Brian, I am not sure if he is referring to the same salt dough that I know, but: salt dough is what Chinese cooks use to make a dish called "beggars chicken". It is a mixture of 2/3 flour, 1/3 salt, and enough water to make a cement-like dough. It is rolled out, then the chicken placed inside with herbs and flavourings, then the whole thing is sealed to make a parcel, then baked. The chicken cooks in its own juices, and no moisture or flavour escapes. When it comes out of the oven, it is rock hard and needs a hammer to break it open, revealing the tender chicken inside. The story goes that a beggar stole a chicken. When the farmer came looking for his chicken, the beggar wrapped the chicken in mud and threw it into the fire. This resulted in the most tender, juicy, and intensely flavoured chicken he had ever eaten, so a new dish was born. I still get excited whenever I am served this. I had never thought of using salt dough for modelling. Salt dough is easy to handle, softens with water, easy to clean, and holds details well. The only question is - how durable is it? Well it appears you need a hammer to break it so...........Also, thanks for making me hanker for some baked chicken. mike CaptainSteve, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtdoramike Posted January 28, 2016 Share #20 Posted January 28, 2016 Do you bake the stuff, or are you letting it dry by air? If baking: do you have any issues with shrinkage? Jan The older you get, there is always an issue with shrinkage. mike mtaylor, Canute and CaptainSteve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #21 Posted January 28, 2016 Jaager, those two french galley looks awesome! Marcus, oh! the De Seven Provincien!! such a beautiful ship!! mtaylor, Canute and flying_dutchman2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #22 Posted January 28, 2016 mtdoramike, that is some tasty food! Ate that yesterday, now I feel like eating it again mtaylor and Keith_W 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #23 Posted January 28, 2016 well, ever wished cruising in one? or perhaps making one of them in real life? (life sized, I mean) It would cost a lot of money and that is why we build models here! right? Canute, mtaylor and avsjerome2003 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #24 Posted January 28, 2016 I want to try this. What is the formula for salt dough? Does it hold together when you create something? Does it really have the consistency of dough? Marcus mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share #25 Posted January 28, 2016 yup, you need flour, salt and water. mix the flour and salt. add water if it gets sticky, add more flour and if it gets cracked, add water. mix until desired texture (somewhat like a clay feeling in it, a modelling clay) mtaylor, avsjerome2003 and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 29, 2016 Share #26 Posted January 29, 2016 The recipe all over the internet says: 1 teacup of salt, 3 teacups flour, 1 cup of water (or less, when the mixture gets too thin), and one teaspoon of vegetable oil. Mix salt and fliour, then add oil and water till consistency is correct. Never tried to make the stuff myself (just used the stuff pprepared by our kindergarten teacher ) Jan Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted January 29, 2016 Share #27 Posted January 29, 2016 I'm getting ready to start building the la Couronne so I may give this a try and attempt to make some of my own details. That part is still a long way out but I will post pictures when I get around to trying it. Thanks for the idea! mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share #28 Posted January 29, 2016 haha, good luck with that ej -Eibwen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eibwen Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share #29 Posted January 29, 2016 By the way, if you want to use salt dough for your model, you may want to put the salt dough decorations in a low temp room or area, works for me EJ_L and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 29, 2016 Share #30 Posted January 29, 2016 When all else fails, one can eat the decorations for snacks. Working from memory here, but if I recall correctly, eating the salt dough is a no-no, as the salt content is way too high. Kinda like drinking seawater. EJ_L, avsjerome2003, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Salmson 2, Speeljacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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