Kevin Kenny Posted March 20, 2016 Share #1 Posted March 20, 2016 I am building the HMS Thorn Swan class of 1779, so far there is only one plan from the National Maritime Museum that makes any referance to this ship. She was part of the fleet that invaded Trinidad in in 1797 a fleet that carried my ancester to Trinidad. It is my plan to video the entire build on an ipad and post videos as i go along. So far i have made 5 videos on the build. James G, aviaamator, Captain Poison and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share #2 Posted March 20, 2016 This is the latest Video Jason, Chuck Seiler, aykutansin and 17 others 19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted March 20, 2016 WBlakeny, John Murray, Jason and 11 others 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin Kenny Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share #5 Posted March 20, 2016 Captain Poison, KentM, dvm27 and 14 others 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kevin Kenny Posted April 7, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted April 7, 2016 This is the 6 th video with the HMS Thorn KentM, WBlakeny, sakumar and 9 others 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted April 21, 2016 Video 7 is now complete Ryland Craze, Chuck Seiler, KentM and 12 others 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 21, 2016 Share #9 Posted April 21, 2016 Hello Kevin, These videos are amazing! I have only watched the first one and the last one so far, but as an indication of the whole, excellent work! Your videos are a fantastic resource for other model builders. I look forward to watching the rest. James G, Ryland Craze, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote -- Jason www.crowntimberyard.com Current Builds: US Brig Syren MS Imperial Russian Cruiser Varyag - Artwox Model Echo Cross Section: SMSNJ Group Build Completed Builds: 18th Century Longboat MS USS Olympia Encore Member: Nautical Research Guild (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted April 23, 2016 Share #10 Posted April 23, 2016 Great video, Kevin. Well done on the challenging bollard cross-chock. Took me a couple of times too. I'm impressed by your ability to understand and fix discrepancies as they occur. As you have identified, it is very difficult to set a cant frame in three different planes. It is imperative that the aft part of the heel aligns vertically with the plan on the board. If not, you will get creeping error that will show up in an ugly way a few frames down the road. When setting cants or other frames I use a ply-90 degree jig to insure verticality and a steel machinists square to insure the half-breath location while the glue is setting. You can simulate the chock joints on the outside of the frame with an exacto knife if you like. I'd also strongly recommend PVA glue due to it's ability to be debonded. I used almost two bottles on my first POF model! Keep those videos coming. It's something I wished I had done while building my Swan prototype. druxey, KentM, Elijah and 10 others 13 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share #11 Posted May 1, 2016 Video 8 debonding parts from the model, installing hawsepiece 2 dvm27, WBlakeny, mort stoll and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share #12 Posted May 29, 2016 Video 9 Wishmaster, dvm27, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted May 31, 2016 Video 10 dvm27, bsaylor, James G and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted May 31, 2016 billocrates, bsaylor, James G and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted June 7, 2016 Author Share #15 Posted June 7, 2016 Video No. 12 dvm27, mtaylor, Wishmaster and 7 others 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted June 8, 2016 Share #16 Posted June 8, 2016 Nice rescue of those forward cants, Kevin. I've learned to leave a bit more on the frames to allow for these discrepancies during fairing. Cumulative error is a constant problem in a model such as this and you are doing a great job of insuring that the dead flat frame actually ends up in its proper location. James G, mtaylor, KentM and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share #17 Posted June 25, 2016 Video 13 the aft cant frames bsaylor, John Murray, AnobiumPunctatum and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted June 26, 2016 Share #18 Posted June 26, 2016 Congratulations on your one year build anniversary, Kevin. The aft cants look great and were much easier than the fore cants for you. Experience counts here! I'm happy to see you finally got a copier instead of hand drawing each pattern. We now provide them as PDF files so you can print out as many as you need. Do you have these? There's a small but important step involved when setting a pair of cant frames. The heel of each cant frame may be 10" sided. If the step is 20" wide then both cants should fit on the step perfectly. However, remember that the heels are set at an angle thus the overall width of both raised cants will be slightly greater than double their width. The solution to this is to slightly bevel the inner heels so that their sided dimension does not exceed the step. David describes this in Volume I but I can't find the reference now. Considering he wrote this book as a virtual project (my model followed after the text) I think it's pretty extraordinary that he thought of every little detail like this. James G, Kevin Kenny, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share #19 Posted June 26, 2016 Hi Greg, Thanks for the feedback. I did have to chisel a few of the heels of the cant frames to get them to fit on the 20" step. The first one was made from oversize stock which resulted in my using a slightly thinner frame for #2 to fit and that was even after reducing the foot on #1. Anyway it works and only you and i will know what i did. The spacer blocks are all different sizes, I suppose that may be because of the different angles at the foot? Although the frames installation was much better. I spent time trying to aline the tops and the jig really helped but i still find it difficult to understand why the variance in height along the length of the frame between some of the frames on either side?The only variable could be the height of the step. In terms of the PDF files, I did get the CDs of the frames but this never works so I am photocopying the plan to make copies. I am not sure how to get the PDF at this stage. I actually purchased all the books plans etc way back in 2008 and only started the build last year. Too much work and not enough time to do what i wanted to do. I do have one question. What is the finish thickness of the frames? I just can't seem to find that anywhere. Must be there somewhere. best regards Kevin Jorge Diaz O, druxey, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted June 27, 2016 Share #20 Posted June 27, 2016 Kevin, are your referring to the moulded thickness (inside to outside)? If so, it is 5" at top timber line and increases to the heel. Assuming you are cutting the frames anywhere near the lines then the moulded thickness should be fine after fairing. I'd be happy to send you the PDF files via e-mail. Just send me your e-mail address to dvm27@comcast.net. druxey, mtaylor, KentM and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted June 29, 2016 Share #21 Posted June 29, 2016 Don't post your e-address publicly - it's asking for spam! Send it by PM and delete it from this public forum. mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share #22 Posted June 29, 2016 Ok,done mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share #23 Posted July 2, 2016 billocrates, bsaylor, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share #24 Posted July 25, 2016 Video 15 , Building and installing the knee of the head. Wishmaster, James G, Ryland Craze and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted July 26, 2016 Share #25 Posted July 26, 2016 Just finished Video 14 Kevin. Great job on the counter timbers and framing of the quarter deck light. I'd spot glue a 5" wide plank across the aft cants to the outer counter timber at the toptimber line at this point. This will add strength to the area and may help prevent a stray elbow from knocking off the delicate timbers aft of the last cant. I've done this (as has Toni I believe) and it really ruins your day! Happy to see you've invested in the Veritas sharpening system. With regards to the mortises for the sills, try to keep them as shallow as possible, perhaps 2". They should be subtle. Typically, I make two total passes with the chisel to form each face, a shallow cut defining the angle and a final cut to the line. The deeper the cut, the more difficult it will be to fit the sills to them. Thanks for the acknowledgement to David and I for developing the practicum. We're happy you are enjoying building a model of this complexity and we are very appreciative of your video documentation. It took me almost a decade to build and photojournal my Swan class model. Doing these videos must add many hours to the project. I wish more MSW viewers would take the time to watch them because they are a really great resource. Captain Poison, billocrates, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share #26 Posted August 10, 2016 Wishmaster, billocrates, KentM and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share #27 Posted August 15, 2016 dvm27, Ryland Craze, mtaylor and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted August 25, 2016 Share #28 Posted August 25, 2016 Very nice videos Kevin. The frames get much easier as you gain experience. In fact I would usually make two or three stations at a time, assembly line fashion mtaylor and WackoWolf 2 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 28, 2016 Author Share #29 Posted August 28, 2016 Video 18 HMS Thorn Jorge Diaz O, James G, billocrates and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kenny Posted August 29, 2016 Author Share #30 Posted August 29, 2016 Installing the rising wood and the gun port sills zoly99sask, KentM, dvm27 and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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