cog Posted June 23, 2018 Share #1 Posted June 23, 2018 When starting at the V class with RGL, I got interested in the RN G & H Class destroyers. Thus, got on the net and found this kit Pictures later, I am presently unable to upload any size photograph Some general info: H-class Type: Destroyer Service Period: 1936-1949 Characteristics: Length: 323 feet (98.45 meters) Beam: 33 feet (10.06 meters) Draught: 12 feet 5 inches (3.79 meters) Displacement: 1,340 tons (Standard): 1,859 tons (Full Load) Crew: 137 (Peacetime); 146 (Wartime) Propulsion: 3 x Johnson boilers, 2 x Parsons geared turbines, 2 x shafts, 34,000 shp (25,000 kW) Range: 5,530 nautical miles (10,242 kilometers) at 15 knots (27.78 km/h) Speed: 36 knots (66.67 km/h) Armament: 4 x QF 4.7"/45-caliber Mk.IX dual purpose naval guns (4x1) 8 x .50-caliber machine guns (2x4) 8 x 21" torpedo tubes (2x4) 20 x depth charges (1 x rail and 2 x throwers) Guns will be replaced, either by brass, or 3D printed, I found the torpedo tubes in 3d very appealing so I'll try those again ... First I've got 172 port holes to drill Canute, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 23, 2018 Share #2 Posted June 23, 2018 Excellent, one step closer..... mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share #3 Posted June 23, 2018 PE: the small leaf is the kit supplied parts, the other one is from White Ensign Colour scheme as HMCS mtaylor, popeye the sailor, hexnut and 7 others 10 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share #4 Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, RGL said: Excellent, one step closer..... Closer to what ... Canute, Piet, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 23, 2018 Share #5 Posted June 23, 2018 Your next build Canute, Piet, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share #6 Posted June 23, 2018 At least I've got some more room on deck ... (I hope) V vs H class: Old Collingwood, Dubz, Jack12477 and 7 others 10 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 23, 2018 Share #7 Posted June 23, 2018 Sweet! Box art? Piet, mtaylor, lmagna and 2 others 5 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted June 23, 2018 Yupz Piet, lmagna, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted June 23, 2018 Share #9 Posted June 23, 2018 Is this the kit thats needs some slight work on the sheer towards the bow (upwards) inlcuding some of the port holes.? OC. Piet, mtaylor, cog and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share #10 Posted June 23, 2018 Where did you get that information from OC? Piet, Canute, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted June 23, 2018 Share #11 Posted June 23, 2018 1 minute ago, cog said: Where did you get that information from OC? I think I read about it on one of our fellow build sites where someone compaired the plans of the actual ship with the hull in the kit, and discovered the kits hull is slightly too level and missing some sheer towards the bow, they recrified it by building up the bow a few mm (not sure of the exact amount) and filling some of the port holes and re cutting some new ones to follow the new sheer. OC. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted June 23, 2018 Share #12 Posted June 23, 2018 Carl, how long are these models? mtaylor, popeye the sailor, lmagna and 3 others 6 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted June 23, 2018 Share #13 Posted June 23, 2018 This is one of the references to the sheer I have found its a diagram that shows it, OC. Canute, lmagna, RGL and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share #14 Posted June 23, 2018 Jack, V class: 10.7" H class: 12.8" Jack12477, Canute, lmagna and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share #15 Posted June 23, 2018 Interesting OC. I would need the top view, and the line plan to get that right as well. There is one other detail: Is that a G class or an H class ... they do differ despite the fact they share the same basis. Furthermore, I couldn't find data for it, so I don't know if all were built in the same yard ... can't imagine with the pressure of WWII, did the yard stick exactly to the drawing ... (need for speed) popeye the sailor, lmagna, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted June 24, 2018 Share #16 Posted June 24, 2018 Im not 100% sure carl, it mentions it even in a kit review here - http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/hms/dd/eskimo-350-tsm/tsm-review.html I am sure that other model makers have said the lack of sheer follows for most of the RN ww2 Destroyers, please foregive me if I am wrong, I have never built one and just quoted what I have read. OC. lmagna, cog, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share #17 Posted June 24, 2018 Thanks OC. I think I'll stick with the wanting hull, as it will be my first attempt at weathering a larger hull (those two 1/700 subs don't count) Piet, Canute, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted June 24, 2018 Share #18 Posted June 24, 2018 High speed run, Carl? I'll follow this one also. Piet, cog, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share #19 Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) good to see you, grab a seat ordered some reference material: Title: British and Commonwealth Warship Camouflage of WWII. Volume II Battleships and Aircraft Carriers Author: Malcolm George Wright (author) ISBN: 9781848322530 Title: BRITISH DESTROYERS A History of Development 1892-1953 Drawn by Admiralty Permission from Official Records and Returns Ships' Covers and Building Plans Author: MARCH Edgar J. Title: BRITISH DESTROYERS OF WORLD WAR TWO. (Warships Illustrated No 4) Author: BURT R.A. should have done it for Vendetta Edited June 24, 2018 by cog Canute, popeye the sailor, Piet and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted June 24, 2018 Share #20 Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Okay ! Make room ! I'm joining too Oh ! I'm already joined ! Hmm. okay time for munchies then Edited June 24, 2018 by Jack12477 mtaylor, Piet, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share #21 Posted June 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Jack12477 said: Okay ! Make room ! I'm joining too Oh ! I'm already joined ! Hmm. okay time for munchies then Hmmmph, lets give you some leeway ... extenuating circumstances popeye the sailor, Piet, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share #22 Posted June 25, 2018 Since I want to build this kit as a RN version (HMS vs HMCS from the kit) I've been looking into the different assets of the kit. For one the armament for an H class is wrong they deliver 4.5" single guns, whilst all H class have been equiped with the 4.7" single variant which has a sharp bent in the casing vs a roundish one in the 4.5" Guns to order. I'll be getting the quadruple vickers to and need to get 20mm oerlikon's which were installed from 1940 onwards. The kit supplies two aft structure types, so I need to wait for the books to shed some light on which one to use. In the mean time I'll start prepping the hull for painting ... lmagna, mtaylor, Piet and 5 others 8 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted June 26, 2018 Share #23 Posted June 26, 2018 May I join in and watch too? Cheers, Canute, popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share #24 Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) Anybody is welcome so too a flying Dutchman. Though this will be a somewhat slower ride than the previous build. I'll be needing some time to research weathering techniques Edited June 26, 2018 by cog popeye the sailor, Jack12477, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share #25 Posted June 26, 2018 On 24/06/2018 at 2:20 AM, Old Collingwood said: Im not 100% sure carl, it mentions it even in a kit review here - http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/hms/dd/eskimo-350-tsm/tsm-review.html I am sure that other model makers have said the lack of sheer follows for most of the RN ww2 Destroyers, please foregive me if I am wrong, I have never built one and just quoted what I have read. OC. OC, have a look at this image, I don't see the sheer they are talking about in it popeye the sailor, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted June 27, 2018 Share #26 Posted June 27, 2018 I think you might be right carl, here is a pic of HMS Hardy I found. OC. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share #27 Posted June 27, 2018 That's one I need. The aft structure is noticeably shorter than the one in the kit, so I'll need to do some bashing. I found out the torpedo tubes are not quads but pentads like these (courtesy of shapeways - copy right Micro Master) popeye the sailor, Jack12477, hexnut and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGL Posted June 27, 2018 Share #28 Posted June 27, 2018 I’m probably lucky the shipping is so expensive as they have lots of loveyshiny things I want. Canute, lmagna, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share #29 Posted June 27, 2018 So you've got a hurdle to take ... Instead you buy more kits with loads of PE mtaylor, Canute, lmagna and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted June 27, 2018 Share #30 Posted June 27, 2018 Love these destroyers...nice choice! Piet, Old Collingwood, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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