nikbud Posted February 5, 2019 #151 Posted February 5, 2019 She's really coming along nicely now Peter, looking good! What are the four (I think) structures inside the crows nest? I can't make them out. Quote Completed Build --- Virginia 1819 - Artesania Latina Other Models --- German Armor plus others Mastermind Current Build --- Liveship Vivacia
Katsumoto Posted February 5, 2019 Author #152 Posted February 5, 2019 4 hours ago, nikbud said: She's really coming along nicely now Peter, looking good! What are the four (I think) structures inside the crows nest? I can't make them out. They are a sort of old fashioned cleats. BETAQDAVE 1 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
nikbud Posted February 5, 2019 #153 Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Katsumoto said: They are a sort of old fashioned cleats. Ah, I understand. Is that what the shrouds are connected to? BETAQDAVE 1 Quote Completed Build --- Virginia 1819 - Artesania Latina Other Models --- German Armor plus others Mastermind Current Build --- Liveship Vivacia
harlequin Posted February 5, 2019 #154 Posted February 5, 2019 fabulous work......and the poor mans lathe has always worked fine for me too. BETAQDAVE and Katsumoto 2 Quote
Katsumoto Posted February 5, 2019 Author #155 Posted February 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, nikbud said: Ah, I understand. Is that what the shrouds are connected to? No, the shrouds goes around the mast at the base of the crows nest. I believe it's for the rigging of the topsail and yard and presumably the top flag. I'm just figuring out the drawings of the rigging. They are the worst I've ever seen. They show only the end result, not the steps how to get to the end result. I think it's the biggest mistake a kitmaker can make. They should help the builder not to confuse or frustrate them by bad schematics, drawings and a lousy manual... Gabek, CaptainSteve, mtbediz and 1 other 4 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
Katsumoto Posted February 5, 2019 Author #156 Posted February 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, harlequin said: fabulous work......and the poor mans lathe has always worked fine for me too. Thanks Harlequin!! I like your build as well. Thanks for stopping by! The poor mans lathe rocks! BETAQDAVE 1 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
nikbud Posted February 5, 2019 #157 Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Katsumoto said: No, the shrouds goes around the mast at the base of the crows nest. I believe it's for the rigging of the topsail and yard and presumably the top flag. I'm just figuring out the drawings of the rigging. They are the worst I've ever seen. They show only the end result, not the steps how to get to the end result. I think it's the biggest mistake a kitmaker can make. They should help the builder not to confuse or frustrate them by bad schematics, drawings and a lousy manual... Ah that makes sense. its obvious now 😎. I know what you mean about rigging instructions, I think most manufacturers are the same. Although they will all have to go a long way to beat these instructions I had with the AL Virginia; 😭 BETAQDAVE 1 Quote Completed Build --- Virginia 1819 - Artesania Latina Other Models --- German Armor plus others Mastermind Current Build --- Liveship Vivacia
Katsumoto Posted February 5, 2019 Author #158 Posted February 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, Wallace said: For someone who is a newbie at rigging you are doing a phenomenal job my friend. She looks great and your work is, as always very meticulous. Congrats on this Peter, you are doing so well. Thanks for the encouragement Mark! Rigging is not my specialty but I try to manage...sometimes with a bit of luck and common sense here and there it usualy pays out. I won’t call myself a newbie but I’m not very experienced with rigging either. 😬 BETAQDAVE 1 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
Katsumoto Posted February 5, 2019 Author #159 Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Wallace said: Ooops, excuse me for "demoting" you No problem my friend! 👍🏻 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
Katsumoto Posted February 7, 2019 Author #160 Posted February 7, 2019 *rigging continues - shrouds* Hello my friends, A small update where I continue on the rigging and especially the rigging of the shrouds. So, be gentle with the comments....it's my first time working on shrouds like this... So deadeyes and lanyards continues. Everything is thightend after some 48+ hrs. Found a small wooden project to do....this is the last woodworking on this ship... Never been so fast writing an update lol....until next time! Peter marktiedens, JpR62, Sjors and 11 others 14 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
Baker Posted February 7, 2019 #161 Posted February 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Katsumoto said: it's my first time working on shrouds like this... This first time is very good BETAQDAVE, Katsumoto and nikbud 3 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
mtbediz Posted February 7, 2019 #162 Posted February 7, 2019 Awesome job Peter, congratulations. My next build will be Mantua's Santa Maria. I am sure your build will contribute a lot to mine I am following with a big interest. Katsumoto, nikbud and BETAQDAVE 3 Quote Mustafa Current Build, USS Constitution 1:76 Scratch https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34741-uss-constitution-by-mtbediz-176/#comment-991858 Finished, HM Cutter Alert 1777. Scratch https://modelshipworld.com/topic/31859-hm-naval-cutter-alert-by-mtbediz-finished-136-scale/#comment-902949 Finished, USF Essex, Scratch https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25954-usf-essex-by-mtbediz-150/ Finished, Santa Maria, Mantua Kit https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23113-santa-maria-by-mtbediz-finished-mantua-150/?tab=comments#comment-683297 Finished, HMS Pickle (Scratch) https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21684-hms-pickle-by-mtbediz-140-finished/?tab=comments#comment-651070 Finished, Santa Maria https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15541-santa-maria-by-mtbediz-handmade-kit-by-a-friend/&do=findComment&comment=483052 Finished, San Francisco II, AL Kit https://modelshipworld.com/topic/17344-san-francisco-ii-by-mtbediz-finished/
nikbud Posted February 7, 2019 #163 Posted February 7, 2019 Fantastic work Sir, wonderfully neat. Any reason in particular you went for a lighter thread for the ratlines? Quote Completed Build --- Virginia 1819 - Artesania Latina Other Models --- German Armor plus others Mastermind Current Build --- Liveship Vivacia
Katsumoto Posted February 7, 2019 Author #164 Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, nikbud said: Fantastic work Sir, wonderfully neat. Any reason in particular you went for a lighter thread for the ratlines? Yes, first I make the running lines of a light colour and standing rigging dark. It was common in the past to do it that way. Second, I like the contrast between the dark and the light. BETAQDAVE 1 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
MESSIS Posted February 7, 2019 #165 Posted February 7, 2019 Beautiful! Just beautiful. Christos Katsumoto 1 Quote
Katsumoto Posted February 7, 2019 Author #166 Posted February 7, 2019 Thank you for all the kind words Guys. You, reactions means a lot and makes me a bit humble. respect to you guys! Peter Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
Katsumoto Posted February 11, 2019 Author #167 Posted February 11, 2019 **It's a fiddling process...** Hello mates! In my previous update I started with the first ratlines on the shrouds and with this update I continue this process, but I didn't had a lot of spare time to work on the SM. However, it's enough to write this small update. All the knots which are made with the ratline are called a "clove hitch". For the ends of the ratlines, it was custom to spliche the rope and loop it around the first and last shrouds. I tried this technique and this was a serious undertaking. I then tried an alternative way by making a clove hitch and then loop the endpiece of the ratline around the shroud again. Then I use my wrapping technique, which is a sort of whipping, to fasten the rope. In the end it was still a lot of fiddling work, but it was easier to do and the result looked similair. Ofcourse it's much easier to glue the clove hitch at the first and last schrouds end that will be the end of it, but why would I choose the easy way out right? So, after the test of the end parts, I continue with the ratlines... I shoot the process how I make a clove hitch knot... And we continue the process until I reach the top! Phew...I made it....Now I had to finish the end pieces of the ratlines by the process I explained earlier....So a few hours later..... And the endresult... This ship has only two shrouds with ratlines, I pity those....no I respect those fellows and galls who's building a Man o War or a frigate! My dear what a work will that be... It's the end of this update again....Next is the other side that has to be done on the exact same way. Wish me luck okay? See ya! Peter Scottish Guy, Baker, mtbediz and 8 others 11 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
MESSIS Posted February 11, 2019 #168 Posted February 11, 2019 Dutch Columbus... great, fine and clean work! So its time to discover America 😎. Congrats my friend... see you on board. Christos Katsumoto 1 Quote
Katsumoto Posted February 11, 2019 Author #169 Posted February 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, MESSIS said: Dutch Columbus... great, fine and clean work! So its time to discover America 😎. Congrats my friend... see you on board. Christos Please take the lady with the big hat with you... 😎 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
MESSIS Posted February 11, 2019 #170 Posted February 11, 2019 Am better than that. You are invited in summer for an Aegean tour with the vessel... and all its "crew"! Katsumoto 1 Quote
MESSIS Posted February 12, 2019 #171 Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) It depends.... although you are more than wellcome, its a longer story. The invitation has to do with a video and a lady on it, that Katsumoto saw. So before you join us you have to see the video 😁... and then you can let us know 👿 Edited February 12, 2019 by MESSIS Katsumoto 1 Quote
nikbud Posted February 12, 2019 #172 Posted February 12, 2019 Now that, Peter, is a definitive Masterclass on ratlines. Incredibly neat and consistent work. I have no idea how you work so well so fast, I am sure that it would take the rest of us weeks to achieve anywhere near the same standard. If anyone had seen your work in 1492 I'm convinced you would be accused of witchcraft! 👉🧙♂️👈 Well done Sir! Has anyone got a thesaurus? I'm quickly running out of superlatives for Peter and this build...... Katsumoto, marktiedens and BETAQDAVE 3 Quote Completed Build --- Virginia 1819 - Artesania Latina Other Models --- German Armor plus others Mastermind Current Build --- Liveship Vivacia
marktiedens Posted February 12, 2019 #173 Posted February 12, 2019 Super job on the ratlines - one of my least favorite things to do. Mark Katsumoto 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways
Katsumoto Posted February 25, 2019 Author #174 Posted February 25, 2019 **futtock shrouds - the wrong decision** Hello my friends! After my last update I completed the other side of the shrouds and ratlines, here's the result! So, both sides are finished concerning the shrouds and ratlines. It was a lot of work, but I didn't know at that time how sailors entered the top. Someone mentioned to me to make "futtock shrouds". By adding this sailors could enter the top! After contemplating with myself I looked at the drawings by AL. On the artistic representation of the model, a small ladder was shown made of rope, but it wasn't into the plans. I thought, let's do it, let's turn the ladder into futtock shrouds. Historically correct or not....and so I constructed some futtock shrouds....I was wrong! Another person mentioned to me that ships of that timeperiod had an "open top". More like round rings of wood on a wooden frame. Sailors entered the top by manoeuvring themselves between the rings and enter the top. Ladders or futtock shrouds were non existing! So....what to do....leave them on or remove them....what would you do....after seeing the next pictures? So, futtock shrouds been made....I moved to the shrouds of the mizzen mast... Thanks for watching, Peter Blue Ensign, BETAQDAVE, Kenneth Powell and 9 others 12 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
nikbud Posted February 25, 2019 #175 Posted February 25, 2019 I suppose it all depends on whether the shroud meet your vision and narrative of the ship. However, I like the look of the futtock shrouds, I would keep them. Are you going to put some on the other side? Oh and as usual; superlative, exemplary and meritorious work as we have come to expect!👍 BETAQDAVE, CaptainSteve and Katsumoto 3 Quote Completed Build --- Virginia 1819 - Artesania Latina Other Models --- German Armor plus others Mastermind Current Build --- Liveship Vivacia
MESSIS Posted February 25, 2019 #176 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) I think your futtock is fine. You see the main think when improvising is to have a realistic engineering reason. If you have a good explanation/reason why this idea even, could have been existed, then you are on the safe side. Then you are correct. At the end I think you ll be the one to get the master degree my friend and you may even become a dutch professor! Edited February 25, 2019 by MESSIS Katsumoto and BETAQDAVE 2 Quote
kier Posted February 25, 2019 #177 Posted February 25, 2019 Hi Peter. . I think I would agree. Weather futtock shrouds are the correct way or not I am unsure, but I completely agree with 'nikbud'. Simply go with what you yourself like. Personally I think they look perfect and if I was building the same model after seeing your method I would most certainly do the same. All in all, one word 'Perfect' BETAQDAVE and Katsumoto 2 Quote Saving for: HMS Vanguard...Victory models. finished: Bluenose11...Billing Boats... (sorry no log.
Baker Posted February 25, 2019 #178 Posted February 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Katsumoto said: So....what to do....leave them on or remove them....what would you do....after seeing the next pictures? I've never seen anything like this on drawings. I would remove them. But, that is my non-committal opinion. Why not provide a few loose ropes like in the picture below. Nice work. Katsumoto 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
Katsumoto Posted February 25, 2019 Author #179 Posted February 25, 2019 Okay, 3 favours, 1 oppose....so the majority wins. I let them as they are. Thanks guys! nikbud and CaptainSteve 2 Quote Regards, Peter Current project - Wappen von Hamburg 1669 heavily bashed Previous project - Xebec Cazador 1750 bashed Previous project - Santa Maria bashed
nikbud Posted February 25, 2019 #180 Posted February 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Backer said: Why not provide a few loose ropes like in the picture below. An interesting picture, Backer, what book is this from? Quote Completed Build --- Virginia 1819 - Artesania Latina Other Models --- German Armor plus others Mastermind Current Build --- Liveship Vivacia
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