yancovitch Posted January 12, 2019 #1 Posted January 12, 2019 hi.....starting to build tiny now...much less expense, mess, stink, and stress .....not a build log, just a cross section of the different galleys i've started....will occasionally take a few shots as i go along.....may make a display case with all of them included...will probably throw in a viking too........not going to be to fussy...mainly a display of the different concepts.....gonna have to make a LOT of oars ....cheers....... Roger Pellett, Louie da fly, JohnB40 and 12 others 15 Quote
yancovitch Posted January 23, 2019 Author #2 Posted January 23, 2019 next stage..... yvesvidal, IgorSky, GrandpaPhil and 15 others 18 Quote
Louie da fly Posted January 25, 2019 #3 Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Looking good, Yancovitch. I'm fascinated by galleys as well. I find them intensely interesting. Before you start making your oars, I thought I'd mention a small point; though we don't have complete information on them, different periods and regions seem to have had different oar types and shapes. For example, Ancient Greek ones are often shown on pottery, such as at https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1NHXL_enAU770AU770&biw=1600&bih=758&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=7X5KXNfTD4SGoASiz5DgAw&q=ships+in+ancient+greek+pottery&oq=ships+in+ancient+greek+pottery&gs_l=img.3...18345.20265..20600...0.0..0.216.1533.0j5j4......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i8i7i30.ezBdCT3ec8E#imgrc=Ipq6qQ1dtRMhfM: Egyptian ones can be seen at https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1NHXL_enAU770AU770&biw=1600&bih=758&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=wH9KXPP-HNXr-QaPpJuQDw&q=ships+in+egyptian&oq=ships+in+egyptian&gs_l=img.3...48668.52248..58708...1.0..0.271.1574.0j7j2......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0j0i5i30j0i24.NY93QXYebF0 . Unfortunately these sites include modern "interpretations"; naturally it's best to stick to original representations from the time. Egyptian ships are also represented by contemporary models, which can be useful. I haven't been able to find any of Viking oars, and as far as I know no Viking oars have been found, though several steering oars have. I researched Byzantine oars for my dromon model. You can see the results on my build log. Best wishes, Steven Edited January 25, 2019 by Louie da fly EJ_L, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
Bob Legge Posted January 26, 2019 #4 Posted January 26, 2019 Egyptian Oars and Vessel: Jenkins, Nancy, The Boat Beneath The pyramid (King Cheops' Royal Ship), 1980, Thames and Hudson Ltd., London, ISBN 0-03-057061-1 The reconstruction of a dismantled complete vessel which was found in a large covered stone pit at the base of the great Pyramid in 1954. Length 43.4 metres, beam 5.9 metres, depth (aft of midships) 1.78 metres, draught 1.48 metres. Bob mtaylor, EJ_L and thibaultron 3 Quote
yancovitch Posted January 31, 2019 Author #5 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) hmmmm...i didn't expect a response here so quickly....i'll have to check all that out....thanks so much for the info....very hard to find it seems .....gads, i'm impressed with your work steven.....way way beyond me!!.......mine will just be rough representations to be placed together in a case........mucho!....vic Edited January 31, 2019 by yancovitch thibaultron, EJ_L, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
yancovitch Posted January 31, 2019 Author #6 Posted January 31, 2019 and yes bob.....a kit is available from china..... mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote
michael mott Posted January 31, 2019 #7 Posted January 31, 2019 There is also a nice colourful book by and one with a lot of oars It is a lovely book with a lot of line drawings of smaller ships and photographs of Egyptian wall art depicting the ships. Michael Nikiforos, IgorSky, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
yancovitch Posted February 1, 2019 Author #8 Posted February 1, 2019 nice find....thank you.....................vic mtaylor, EJ_L and thibaultron 3 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 2, 2019 #9 Posted February 2, 2019 You're making a very nice spread of galleys of different eras and locations. I like it. Steven EJ_L, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted February 2, 2019 Author #10 Posted February 2, 2019 kind of you steven.....so much guesswork....using your links...very helpful !!....and i'll probably keep apologizing for the mediocre workmanship, but i want to get these done quickly.... vic IgorSky, EJ_L, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 2, 2019 #11 Posted February 2, 2019 Um . . . what mediocre workmanship? They look very good to me. In my experience, ship modellers worry far more than necessary about tiny failings in their own work which nobody else can see. If you're really concerned about some error, just regard it as a learning experience rather than as a fault - something you'll handle better next time. But just keep on with these galleys - I think they look great, and something to be proud of. Steven mtaylor, EJ_L, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted February 2, 2019 Author #12 Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) haha....ok, ya got me.....will just present as i am from now on... looks like it's gonna be difficult to know how to secure the rigging....what kind of bits etc....will just have to fake it .oh....how does one delete the smileys?..... Edited February 3, 2019 by yancovitch Louie da fly, EJ_L, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote
cog Posted February 3, 2019 #13 Posted February 3, 2019 rightclick on them and select delete or doubleclick and press the "Delete" key NIce work on the galleys EJ_L, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
yancovitch Posted February 3, 2019 Author #14 Posted February 3, 2019 thanks...strange...it works now, but seemed to be jammed before... mtaylor, EJ_L and thibaultron 3 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 3, 2019 #15 Posted February 3, 2019 23 hours ago, yancovitch said: looks like it's gonna be difficult to know how to secure the rigging....what kind of bits etc....will just have to fake it Yes, contemporary representations often don't bother to show the blocks etc, and sometimes don't even show the ropes. One source that might be helpful is at http://nautarch.tamu.edu/academic/alum.htm - you may find archaeological artefacts that will help. TAMU covers ships from the entirety of time and often has papers on this kind of thing. Steven EJ_L, cog, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted February 4, 2019 Author #16 Posted February 4, 2019 wow....that's an amazing source of info.......thanks.....will have to share.....cheers, vic mtaylor, EJ_L, Louie da fly and 1 other 4 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 4, 2019 #17 Posted February 4, 2019 Just out of interest, Vic, how long are these galleys? I realise they're not all to the same scale, but they all seem to be of similar length. Steven EJ_L, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted February 4, 2019 Author #18 Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) oh....only 15-18 inches......probably should have all been the same scale, but i figured that would be guess work, so i didn't bother.....they hopefully will all be in the same case, like a study of styles.......and there's still a viking to come....and who knows...i might go for a trireme too haha...vic Edited February 5, 2019 by yancovitch EJ_L, thibaultron and cog 3 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 5, 2019 #19 Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) A nice size. About the only reliable dimension I know of for the length of galleys is that the length of the ship is determined by the interscalium (distance between the rowing benches). The optimum is about a yard, give or take - longer and the ship becomes too heavy; shorter and the oarsmen get in each other's way. So a twenty-oared galley would have ten interscalia = about 30 feet - plus the length of the prow and the stern. If you want to make a trireme, you might be interested in this video - Enjoy! Steven Edited February 5, 2019 by Louie da fly EJ_L, thibaultron, cog and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted February 5, 2019 Author #20 Posted February 5, 2019 yes...that's fantastic isn't it......hard to see how the thing can stay upright as the hull below the waterline is so narrow from what i've seen in some plans.... mtaylor, thibaultron and EJ_L 3 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 5, 2019 #21 Posted February 5, 2019 Very narrow and not very stable. Apparently the rowers could tell if someone was walking about on the top deck by the alterations to the trim. Steven mtaylor, thibaultron and EJ_L 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted February 14, 2019 Author #22 Posted February 14, 2019 made some stands, and the greek penteconter hull mostly complete....ha...noticed i did the stitching incorrectly on the egyptian hull...should have been horizontal instead of vertical...c'est la vie.... will finish the hulls of the roman and viking before doing the finishing on all the ships....and then i'll think about the trireme..... how about this fellow Lodewijk Crijns from holland who sent me some info....quite impressive ....scroll down to find ship photos..... http://bennosfiguresforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18962&start=140 EJ_L, thibaultron, GrandpaPhil and 9 others 12 Quote
Louie da fly Posted February 15, 2019 #23 Posted February 15, 2019 That's amazing Yancovitch! I've got 50 oarsmen to make for my dromon and I was intending to cast them, but with almost no experience at all I was not looking forward to it. This site is a tremendous resource! Many thanks. Steven EJ_L, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted March 3, 2019 Author #24 Posted March 3, 2019 added some decoration to the phoenician, and have made the storage seats for the viking....hmmmm...should have painted the innards of the roman flat black....pretty soon i have to figure out rigging which will likely result i my pulling out the remaining hairs on the top of my head......there's gonna be a lot of mickey mousing luponero, yvesvidal, mtaylor and 9 others 12 Quote
Louie da fly Posted March 4, 2019 #25 Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) These look really good. They're a real credit to you, mate. Steven Edited March 4, 2019 by Louie da fly mtaylor and EJ_L 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht
yancovitch Posted March 4, 2019 Author #26 Posted March 4, 2019 very kind steven......got the messy dirty gluey stinky stuff done....all the finishing should be relaxing work......that is until i start the trireme after finishing these.......will use plans from the trireme trust if i can figure them out.......so that's still up in the air....... Louie da fly, mtaylor and EJ_L 3 Quote
yancovitch Posted March 5, 2019 Author #27 Posted March 5, 2019 one thing i may add....i'm using basswood which i have left over from other kits, but i don't like having to stain wood or use minwax polyshades....it is so hard to get an even color....i even tried pre stain......so i just have to accept the way they came out i can't afford to buy nice hardwoods........all together i think they'll end up lookiong ok....... mtaylor and EJ_L 2 Quote
cog Posted March 7, 2019 #28 Posted March 7, 2019 On 1/31/2019 at 8:24 AM, yancovitch said: and yes bob.....a kit is available from china..... Actually it's from Japan. You can get it from zootoyz mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
yancovitch Posted March 7, 2019 Author #29 Posted March 7, 2019 oops...i stand corrected ....i had been looking at the kits from china, and got mixed up.......thanks....... mtaylor and cog 2 Quote
yancovitch Posted March 29, 2019 Author #30 Posted March 29, 2019 (edited) ok.....getting closer....decided to add a greek trireme.....wasn't partial to the dusek's kit, so i gave the drawings from the trireme trust a try.....got some help from a friend who had just purchased a 3d printer, and he printed out the stations for me, and i made the keel out of oak...he will also print the 170 oars for me, which will obviously save me mucho time.... the dusek kit says it is 1/72 scale....but mine, the same length must be a smaller scale....will have to figure that out one day:)...have to figure out what color to paint the eyes....white is too stark.....most of the oars are done and next step to attack the sails and rigging...oh, and will darken the roman tower more greyish..hmmm...imitation marble or stone?...c'est tout for now.....vic Edited March 29, 2019 by yancovitch druxey, Louie da fly, Landrotten Highlander and 6 others 9 Quote
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