CPDDET Posted October 2, 2020 #241 Posted October 2, 2020 That's the plan. I will experiment with other wood as well besides cedar. Boxwood seems the most desirable, but the scarcity of it troubles me. Lots of research to do before I attempt my first scratch build. Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose
CPDDET Posted October 2, 2020 #242 Posted October 2, 2020 I've often wondered about poplar. Easy to obtain, a bit harder than white pine but softer than cherry. Question is how does it take to bending. when the times comes I'll have to pick the brains of the scratch builders on this forum. Right now I have my hands full with my Bluenose. Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose
Overworked724 Posted October 3, 2020 Author #243 Posted October 3, 2020 Rewetting the piece and microwaving on the forming block for 45sec (think I did twice...rewetting before second time) really helped keep the shape. I added a second strip of 1/32” cedar after I bent/shaped it...then glued it to the first one using PVA glue. I trimmed down the edge a bit and it seems it held its overall shape. It should be plenty wide to carve out the proper width for the transom cap rail. We will see...!!! Moving on... JpR62, Elijah, WalrusGuy and 1 other 4 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
WalrusGuy Posted October 3, 2020 #244 Posted October 3, 2020 Very nice!! Basswood would 100% snap at that angle for that thickness (that's the reason I had to thin mine down). I'll definitely try out the microwave technique for sharp angles next time! Overworked724 1 Quote Current: USF Confederacy - Model Shipways (Build Log) HMS Pickle - Caldercraft (Build Log) Complete: Virgina 1819 - Artesania Latina (Gallery) U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways (Build Log, Gallery) On the shelf: Armed Virginia Sloop - Model Shipways
Overworked724 Posted October 3, 2020 Author #245 Posted October 3, 2020 Well...the shaping of the transom cap rail is not the problem...the thickness is. It does look a bit blocky. I’ve decided I’m going to redo it by precutting the 1/32” cap rail to shape and adding to the transom to see how it looks. Then I’ll add the second layer after. CPDDET, Elijah and WalrusGuy 3 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 3, 2020 Author #246 Posted October 3, 2020 Finally got the stern fixed sheave block holes carved out. Sweating bullets during ‘bulkhead surgery’. Again it was tape and using a brass bar on the lower edge to keep me honest and carving within the lines. I’m glad I got them carved in. 👍🏽 Been fretting over the stern holes for a long while...😅 Moving on... CPDDET, NovaStorm, JpR62 and 1 other 4 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
CPDDET Posted October 4, 2020 #247 Posted October 4, 2020 18 hours ago, Overworked724 said: Well...the shaping of the transom cap rail is not the problem...the thickness is. It does look a bit blocky. I’ve decided I’m going to redo it by precutting the 1/32” cap rail to shape and adding to the transom to see how it looks. Then I’ll add the second layer after. Seems like the "blocky" look is something I'm constantly fighting when working at such a small scale. But you're doing a great job. Carry on Pat. Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose
Overworked724 Posted October 7, 2020 Author #248 Posted October 7, 2020 Got my trunnel holes drilled. Decided to put some trunnels in the transom as well. Figured I would start there to see how they turned out. I have to say, dipping the cedar nails in the 50:50 glue and sliding the ends into the holes is not as challenging as I was thinking it would be...thank God. It will take time and I’ll need to make more nails (quick job), but I’m glad I approached them this way rather than using toothpicks. This is much easier! Moving on.... Elijah, JpR62, WalrusGuy and 2 others 5 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Keithbrad80 Posted October 7, 2020 #249 Posted October 7, 2020 Where did you get those cedar nails? Did you make them? They look great! Also great photo quality as well! Elijah and Overworked724 2 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures)
Overworked724 Posted October 7, 2020 Author #250 Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Keithbrad80 said: Where did you get those cedar nails? Did you make them? They look great! Also great photo quality as well! Howdy Keith. I make them myself and describe the process on pg 4 of this build. Hope it helps you! Elijah and Keithbrad80 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 7, 2020 Author #251 Posted October 7, 2020 Ok. Just a repeat of how I made my trunnels. I used a 20 gauge dispensing needle (20 pack on Amazon...5$). Clip off the plastic connector on the back of the needle and sanded down both sides of the tip using a Dremel disc sanding head. It makes a "u" shaped head which can core the wood block used to create the trunnels. Put it in my little drill press fitted with an x-y table and mini vise. Put in a blank of cedar wood (grain facing up and down). Pics below. NOTE: I am not using the drill as a drill - only as a PRESS!! The pic below shows the trunnel depth and where it remains connected to the wood block. After making a few trunnel stacks (think these are about 100 Nails per piece), used my table saw with fine tooth blade to trim off the top - above where the nails are still connected to wood. These things are dinky! So used a blunted pin to poke them out into a little jar. Took my about 40 minutes or so to make about 300 nails. Will make more when I run out...which will be soon! Moving on...to the boring yet also stranegly relaxing part of turning my exterior bulkheads into pin cushions. Ryland Craze, ccoyle, Elijah and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Elijah Posted October 7, 2020 #252 Posted October 7, 2020 Nice job with the surgery, I see you reinforced the inside, good thinking! Overworked724 1 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
CPDDET Posted October 7, 2020 #253 Posted October 7, 2020 Pat, did you drill the 20 gauge needle in or just press it in? If drilled, any special speed? What is the finished diameter of the nails? Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose
Elijah Posted October 7, 2020 #254 Posted October 7, 2020 Did you come up with that trunnel process on your own? Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
Overworked724 Posted October 7, 2020 Author #255 Posted October 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, CPDDET said: Pat, did you drill the 20 gauge needle in or just press it in? If drilled, any special speed? What is the finished diameter of the nails? Hi Dave. I updated my post. Press only! The drill is not on. 👍🏽 Elijah 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 7, 2020 Author #256 Posted October 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Elijah said: Did you come up with that trunnel process on your own? Hi Elijah! I can’t take credit for this process. Another builder on this forum used this and I decided to try. I can’t remember the modeler. Elijah 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 7, 2020 Author #257 Posted October 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, CPDDET said: What is the finished diameter of the nails? The finished diameter fits holes drilled using a #76 drill bit. 😳 Not certain what that equates to. Ryland Craze and Elijah 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 8, 2020 Author #258 Posted October 8, 2020 On 10/7/2020 at 10:39 AM, CPDDET said: What is the finished diameter of the nails? Hi Dave I measured with a digital caliper and they are exactly 0.53mm in diameter Elijah 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
CPDDET Posted October 8, 2020 #259 Posted October 8, 2020 Thanks Pat, was wondering what the scale was. And thanks for passing along the process. One to keep in mind for sure. Overworked724 and Elijah 2 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose
Overworked724 Posted October 10, 2020 Author #260 Posted October 10, 2020 Still putzing with the bulkhead trunnels. Kind of fun...oddly relaxing. Got transom and port side done. Working on starboard side...then it’s time for the haircut and sanding. Reminds me of the movie Hellraiser... Moving on... Elijah, WalrusGuy, ScottRC and 2 others 5 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Elijah Posted October 10, 2020 #261 Posted October 10, 2020 She makes for quite a lovely porcupine. Never seen Hellraiser. Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
Overworked724 Posted October 10, 2020 Author #262 Posted October 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Elijah said: She makes for quite a lovely porcupine. Never seen Hellraiser. Yeah...old horror movie. The main bad guy has nails all over his head! 🤣 Elijah, WalrusGuy and Keithbrad80 2 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Elijah Posted October 10, 2020 #263 Posted October 10, 2020 Wow, I see, the likeness is uncanny! 😂 Keithbrad80 and Overworked724 1 1 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
abelson Posted October 10, 2020 #264 Posted October 10, 2020 Fantastic job on the tree nails. You're a real and patient craftsman. Your build is very clean and crisp. Elijah and Overworked724 2 Quote Steven E. Sylven
Overworked724 Posted October 10, 2020 Author #265 Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, abelson said: Fantastic job on the tree nails. You're a real and patient craftsman. Your build is very clean and crisp. I really appreciate the compliment, Abe! I enjoy watching your inspiring build as well. I think the fellow builders on this site really push you to achieve your best results as well as enjoy the hobby! Elijah and abelson 1 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 12, 2020 Author #266 Posted October 12, 2020 Decided to take a short detour and make a temporary building board. I've been using my keel clamp to good effect and will continue to use it...it's nice to be able to flip it on either side and orient the hull the way I wish...but at some point very soon I'll want a solid base. Thought about it a little bit and decided to make some cut outs of 1/4" walnut scrap for frame H and 12, sanded them down, covered them with felt, and then bolstered the base with a couple sections of 1/4" square wood for added support (which I'm sure it doesn't need - but what the hell). The stem socket I made using 3 separate sections of 1/4" walnut glued together in order to make a simple slot at the same angle as the stem where it meets the socket - then glued felt inside the slot. The felt is more for my sake of mind...I thought the thicker felt (my thanks to the admiral for her donation) would make the fit a bit nicer (it does) and also prevent accidental bruising of the wood. Bonus pic time!!! 😃 And one little tidbit of interest. I added a 1/8" strip of wood between the keelson rails (made from 1/4" square basswood dowels) in order to elevate the ship a bit so the rails don't rub or bruise the wood where the garboard strakes connect to the keelson. Also, I haven't added a temporary false keel to the model because I've been using the keel clamp to attach the wood block connected to the keelson through the mounting holes with nuts/bolts. But for this temporary building base, the lack of a false keel may leave some risk of damage to that little 'edge' on the keelson near the bow where the false keel begins. To prevent this, I put an additional 1/32' strip of wood on top of the 1/8" base strip between the rails...so the ship sits square between the rails, with a comfortable margin of space just below the top of the keelson across the entire length of the ship. Moving on....to finish up the bulkhead trunnels!! Gahm, WalrusGuy, ScottRC and 1 other 4 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 12, 2020 Author #267 Posted October 12, 2020 Got the last of my itty bitty trunnels put into the bulkhead. Moved on to giving them a haircut...am currently using a spru cutter but cuticle clippers work perfectly, too...I tried both. Then it’s back to sanding sanding. I consider this process practice for the deck! One bonus pic of haircut in progress. 😊 Moving on.... Elijah 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Keithbrad80 Posted October 12, 2020 #268 Posted October 12, 2020 looking great! I just ordered some more needles to start this process. Spru cutters work great but you might have some troubles getting into corners on the deck, also you may not be able to get as close a cut as you want. I use end nippers which cut perpendicular to the deck allowing me to get a much cleaner cut. I think I found mine for less than 10 bucks on amazon. Good luck and have fun! Bradley Overworked724 and Elijah 2 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures)
Overworked724 Posted October 12, 2020 Author #269 Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Keithbrad80 said: Spru cutters work great but you might have some troubles getting into corners on the deck, also you may not be able to get as close a cut as you want. I use end nippers which cut perpendicular to the deck allowing me to get a much cleaner cut. Hi Brad! Thanks for the feedback. Actually, I have some flathead trimmers (End nippers) like the one you showed above, but I didn’t find them very helpful for fine/small parts or angles which you mentioned. The spru cutters I am using are perfect for trimming the trunnels. The ones I use are from Minushima and are excellent for getting a clean surface cut, especially at an angle. They are also incredibly sharp. Here are some pics: The cuticle trimmers work even better at angles and also give a clean surface cut. These are exceedingly sharp and I ended up using these for close cropping knots on the rigging! They still work well for this type of small diameter wood nails. Here are some pics: You can see they get into tough spots very easily. These were the best tools I could find, but like everyone else, I’m always looking for alternatives!!!! ⛵️😊⛵️ Elijah and JpR62 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
Overworked724 Posted October 12, 2020 Author #270 Posted October 12, 2020 Well...I nearly gave myself a heart attack. I completed the trunnel clipping and decided to sand down the transom first. The original: Then sanded down after trimming: It looked so clean that I had wondered if the cedar nails in the cedar planking would be too invisible. So I couldn’t resists slapping some natural stain on the transom to see the effect. After natural stain (I’ll do a coat of tung oil after the planking is fully completed): And there they are...😅. The trunnels are going to come out nicely but without too much contrast. Moving on.... VTHokiEE and RichardG 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere.
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