HMS Victory by The Lazy Saint - Mantua - Scale 1:200 - Third wooden ship

[Emmet]

3 hours ago, The Lazy Saint said:

Hi all,

I am afraid that the only pictures l have are the ones I posted Emmet. I did find it hard going, but got there in the end. 

Thanks for the kind words Edward, and to you also Richard. Indeed, thanks to all who liked my posts to date, appreciated as always. 

This morning l managed to fit the Wriggles, add a bit more of the Bow detailing and paint the final stretch of Railings (although still have a small section of netting to do) l am now just waiting for the glue to dry. 

Here are the pictures. 

My next session (this evening with any luck) will involve painting the details applied this morning and fitting the last bit of netting. 

I have almost completed the Hull and Deck eFittings so will be on to the masts and rigging. I anticipate things will become a little more difficult from here on in.

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.          Time.          Total. 

37.                    3 hrs.          127 hrs.      

I am a newbie and will be starting one similar to you. so I am trying to learn as much as possible from this great crowd on MSW. Thanks for your thoughts. Have a Merry Christmas.

[The Lazy Saint]

Hi Emmet 

12 hours ago, Emmet said:

I am a newbie and will be starting one similar to you. so I am trying to learn as much as possible from this great crowd on MSW. Thanks for your thoughts. Have a Merry Christmas

I am glad you like it here at MSW, l am also a relative newcomer and l too think this site is great, there are many inspiring builds/builders here at every level of skill.

If l may be so bold as to say that if you are tackling a wooden ship for the first time you are best advised to look at something in 1:64 scale as, personaly speaking, this 1:200 scale Victory is very challenging indeed. Without the experience l gained in my first two ships (Caldercrafts Ballahoo and Sherbourne) l think l may have given up or put it aside to do at a later date. Have a look at the Mugje Pickle build (if you haven't already done so) that is a great example to follow, along with the instructions, it was also his first build. 

Whatever you choose, l shall be interested in watching your progress. 

Best wishes (and good luck) as always,

The Lazy Saint. 

 

[Emmet]

6 hours ago, The Lazy Saint said:

Hi Emmet 

I am glad you like it here at MSW, l am also a relative newcomer and l too think this site is great, there are many inspiring builds/builders here at every level of skill.

If l may be so bold as to say that if you are tackling a wooden ship for the first time you are best advised to look at something in 1:64 scale as, personaly speaking, this 1:200 scale Victory is very challenging indeed. Without the experience l gained in my first two ships (Caldercrafts Ballahoo and Sherbourne) l think l may have given up or put it aside to do at a later date. Have a look at the Mugje Pickle build (if you haven't already done so) that is a great example to follow, along with the instructions, it was also his first build. 

Whatever you choose, l shall be interested in watching your progress. 

Best wishes (and good luck) as always,

The Lazy Saint. 

 

It is a great Christmas Eve when a saintly person -not so lazy- gives me a hand up with model ship building.  I am really new. I started out by just thinking that model ships had to be toughso I got a daughter-in-law to buy me an Amazon victory 1:225.  I thought I should just START someplace. 

That caused me to begin  tool research and as I went along I came upon MSW.  While my ideas have shifted I will be starting with something inexpensive and will get ideas. I may not build it. I am completely open to a project. I am 82 years old and I realize my ship building days may be somewhat limited. So I thought I would start with Admiral Nelson (I am an American admirer of the Admiral) and finish with a bigger build.  It was not that surprising to see so many Brits building Victory. 

Right now I am trying to figure out how to organize a mobile shop We live in NH but are in NJ for part of the winter and also travel to Florida for two months. We will also be going to Italy again for a month. 

I stormed ahead and bought a new Dremel 8220-1/28 12-Volt Max Cordless along with the Flex Shaft Rotary Tool Attachment.  My little one will be handy I am sure.

I have worked a lot building furniture and such. I have many tools and am going back to NH tomorrow to get the ones I feel will be useful along with stains and such. I am looking at little plastic storage containers so that I can move stuff.  A big boat probably has to be done in NH for reasons of room but we shall see.  I say these things because I can use all the input possible.  I adore these people that carve things and come ip with ways of doing tasks.  I have built two guitars and understand how you must build jigs and develop innovative ways of accomplishing details of a project. It may be that I will do parts of a ship as I travel.  I will check out Mugje Pickle. I am currently going through the alphabet of all of the Victory builders. I am up to E at this time. I have learned  a great deal and have many notes and references. I apologize for being so lengthy and I want to wish you a great holiday.

I just opened Mugie and will be studying his 9 pages.

[The Lazy Saint]

Happy Christmas all,

I have only managed an hour today as l am having to entertain the Admiral, (well, it is Christmas) however, that is all l needed to paint the Wriggles. 

Next up will be the Masts.

Wishing you all a merry Christmas and a happy new year. 

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.          Time.         Total.   

38.                    1 hrs.         128 hrs

Edited December 25, 2019 by The Lazy Saint

[Emmet]

On 12/24/2019 at 9:10 AM, Emmet said:

It is a great Christmas Eve when a saintly person -not so lazy- gives me a hand up with model ship building.  I am really new. I started out by just thinking that model ships had to be toughso I got a daughter-in-law to buy me an Amazon victory 1:225.  I thought I should just START someplace. 

That caused me to begin  tool research and as I went along I came upon MSW.  While my ideas have shifted I will be starting with something inexpensive and will get ideas. I may not build it. I am completely open to a project. I am 82 years old and I realize my ship building days may be somewhat limited. So I thought I would start with Admiral Nelson (I am an American admirer of the Admiral) and finish with a bigger build.  It was not that surprising to see so many Brits building Victory. 

Right now I am trying to figure out how to organize a mobile shop We live in NH but are in NJ for part of the winter and also travel to Florida for two months. We will also be going to Italy again for a month. 

I stormed ahead and bought a new Dremel 8220-1/28 12-Volt Max Cordless along with the Flex Shaft Rotary Tool Attachment.  My little one will be handy I am sure.

I have worked a lot building furniture and such. I have many tools and am going back to NH tomorrow to get the ones I feel will be useful along with stains and such. I am looking at little plastic storage containers so that I can move stuff.  A big boat probably has to be done in NH for reasons of room but we shall see.  I say these things because I can use all the input possible.  I adore these people that carve things and come ip with ways of doing tasks.  I have built two guitars and understand how you must build jigs and develop innovative ways of accomplishing details of a project. It may be that I will do parts of a ship as I travel.  I will check out Mugje Pickle. I am currently going through the alphabet of all of the Victory builders. I am up to E at this time. I have learned  a great deal and have many notes and references. I apologize for being so lengthy and I want to wish you a great holiday.

I just opened Mugie and will be studying his 9 pages.

I have spent sometime reviewing Mudje's excellent work.  I also got my Christmas present of the model ship.I was impulsive with that choice and really have no interest in it.  At this point I am wondering if, perhaps, I will go with something like the all wood Pinta. I would probably like it being around the house. It is 1:64 (your suggestin is sound) but it has no cannons. But the small amount of rigging will mean I will probably finish it relatively quick.  Then I can go on to something more fun.

Have great New Year.

[The Lazy Saint]

Hi all,

I hope you all had a great Christmas and enjoyed your New Year celebrations. I would also like to take this opportunity to wish you all a wonderful 2020.

I have spent a bit of time today looking at the masts and rigging and, as l expected, the main challenge is ahead of me. The instructions are very sketchy but l have my AOTS book to hand which l hope will help no end. I am working on the Bowsprit Assembly at the moment and have met my first problem, there's no mention of the Flying Jibboom in  the instructions but clearly l need one. I will use the kit instructions as a guide and scale measurements, but will use the AOTS book for the finer details.

 

These are the kit instructions.

l have cut each part as shown to the correct dimensions, but not shaped.

Bowsprit, Jibboom, Bees and Beeblock.

The Jack Staff and Dolphin Striker.

Spiritsail Yard, Spiritsail Topsail Yard and Boomkins. (I have named the parts for my own future reference as they are not shown in the instructions)

Quite clearly shown in the AOTS book, the Flying Jibboom. Why they should have missed this from the instructions is a mystery to me. I shall add this Jibboom but, of course, this will have a knock on effect with the rest of the rigging. 

Here is a picture of my most important item of equipment, 

During my next session l shall cut the Flying Jibboom and shape, by sanding, all the component parts of the Bowsprit Assembly. 

Best wishes as always and, once again, Happy New year to you all.

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.         Time.         Total. 

39.                   1 hrs.          129 hrs

Edited January 2, 2020 by The Lazy Saint

[Emmet]

Happy New Year to you and other members!

[Edwardkenway]

A happy new year to you and your family also.

I think you are doing a great job of Victory LS, keep it up!!

[The Lazy Saint]

Hi all,

Thanks Emmet and Edward for the best wishes and also thanks Edward for the kind encouragement, it is appreciated. 

A little bit of Bowsprit construction today, which went quite well l think. I have made the correct decision in using the AOTS plans, l feel this will give me a better chance of completing the model with regards to Masts and rigging. The scale of the kit plans, l think, are over sized. The kit plans are 1:200, the AOTS plans are 1:198 and, therefore, should be very slightly larger (or have l got it wrong, please let me know) however, the kit plans are larger........ 

Anyway, my plan is to use the kit plans to steer me through the process and the AOTS book for the finer details.

 

I reduced the length of the Jibboom and added the flying Jibboom 

I then added the Jack Staff and Dolphin Striker. 

Here is where l am now.

l have cut to length the Fore Mast Assembly. During my next session l shall continue  with the shaping. 

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.          Time.           Total.     

40.                    3 hrs.           132.  

 

[rkwz]

She's looking amazing. Thought I'd drop by and follow your progress and pick up some knowledge from your build...

 

Working on the 1/180 plastic version myself, I'm in awe of your fine work on wood no less!

[Emmet]

On 12/24/2019 at 2:26 AM, The Lazy Saint said:

Hi Emmet 

I am glad you like it here at MSW, l am also a relative newcomer and l too think this site is great, there are many inspiring builds/builders here at every level of skill.

If l may be so bold as to say that if you are tackling a wooden ship for the first time you are best advised to look at something in 1:64 scale as, personaly speaking, this 1:200 scale Victory is very challenging indeed. Without the experience l gained in my first two ships (Caldercrafts Ballahoo and Sherbourne) l think l may have given up or put it aside to do at a later date. Have a look at the Mugje Pickle build (if you haven't already done so) that is a great example to follow, along with the instructions, it was also his first build. 

Whatever you choose, l shall be interested in watching your progress. 

Best wishes (and good luck) as always,

The Lazy Saint. 

 

I wanted to be sure that you know that I have chosen to build the Nina with a 1:64 ratio. My build is being posted. I am still intent, however, to build a big Victory.

[Dave from Oz]

Hi LS,

 

Love your work. I especially love the entirely reasonable "log" of your hours and must admit, that I thought I was the only model builder that did this....

 

Given that my woodworking skills are "lacking" to say the least....I've recently embarked on Heller's old 1/100 Goliath of a kit, the HMS Victory. This is a 2100 piece kit (according to the box) and I've recently logged my 31st hour..........without actually gluing a single piece together. Every part is cut from the sprue has been trimmed, filed and sanded.

 

The count continues....

 

Regards,

Dave 

Perth

Western Australia

[The Lazy Saint]

Hi all,

Thank you all for the likes and kind words they really are appreciated. Dave is your build being logged here on MSW 🤔 l can't find it and would like to see how it is coming on. Thanks for the heads up on your build Emmet, l shall look out for it. 👍 rkwz l am following you now and have to say she is looking great. 

This morning l managed a two hour session and it is surprising how much you can get done in a short period of time. My aims today were: 1. To cut to the correct dimensions the Masts and yards. 2. Identify the discrepancies between the AOTS book/drawings and the kit plans. 3. Start the process of shaping the Masts and Spars. 

 

1st up is the Formast and it's Spars, the first image is the AOTS plan/drawing followed by the kit plan and the corresponding cut to size Mast and Spars.

The main discrepancies are the same identified when preparing the Bowsprit, that is to say, the scale (l shall deal with in the same way) and the topgallant and pole mast have been produced as one, understandable considering the scale. I re cut for the Bowsprit because it was glaringly obvious, but l will keep the top two sections of all three masts as one piece as the model designers intended.

 

Next up is the Main mast.

Finally, the Mizzen Mast assembly. 

And this is where l am now, a bundle of sticks (of varying diameters and lengths) some sandpaper and a tub of elbow grease. I am now going off to start the sanding and shaping, it will take some time but l will post again when it is completed. 

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.         Time.            Total.  

41.                   2 hrs.            134.    

 

[Johnny D]

Hi Lazy Saint, 
A quick word concerning your build - fanstastic. 
I am in the throws of building the same kit and following your blog with great interest. 
This kit is by know means easy and your craftsmanship and approach is an inspiration to say
the least.
Great stuff,
Johnny D.

[Retired guy]

Masts and yards are coming along nicely Lazy Saint 👍

 

Regards

Richard

[Emmet]

On 10/13/2019 at 11:14 AM, The Lazy Saint said:

Hi all,

Thanks very much for the kind words mugje, appreciated. I hope you are right in your prediction, it is a challenge but l am enjoying it. 

I have (l believe) made great progress today.

I first fitted the decks, a simple task, but care must be taken to ensure the holes for the masts line up.

The Upper Deck (or at least the little bit you can see) drops in first,

followed by the Quarter Deck.

it is important when fitting the Poop Deck that the Mizzen Mast is correctly positioned as it passes through both Poop and Quarter Decks. Once seated correctly frame No 18, which is attached to the last bulkhead, can be lined up with the Poop Deck and clamped. 

Here you can see all three masts in position, Mizzen, Main and Fore. The Fore Masts entry was partially blocked by a bulkhead and a certain amount of filing was required. 

The green tape is securing a piece of plywood which, in turn, is protecting the Skid beams spanning the Quarter Deck. 

Once again l am using the trusty pin pusher to attach the planks until the glue dries. 

Here you can see the first planking completed down to what would be the bottom of the Wardroom at the stern of the Ship.

So far so good and, although l am aware that this is the easiest part, l hope the rest goes as smoothly. 

The filler blocks are enabling me to achieve that difficult bend at the Bow.

At this stage l believe l have achieved that all important symmetry. 

My next session will see me continuing with the planking, l expect it to take several shorter sessions. 

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.             Time.         Total.   

05.                       6 hrs.         14 hrs

Where do you get a pin pusher in the US?  I was trying to drill a 1 mm hole in a frame and the wood is too hard for the small hand pin drill.

[Emmet]

1 hour ago, Emmet said:

Where do you get a pin pusher in the US?  I was trying to drill a 1 mm hole in a frame and the wood is too hard for the small hand pin drill.

I should add I need to know the kind of pins as well.

[The Lazy Saint]

Hi all,

Thanks very much for your kind words Richard and Johnny D, appreciated as always. I hope you enjoy tackling this particular build Johnny D, l also hope you post a log, l would be very interested in seeing how you approach it. 

Finding a pin pusher in the US shouldn't pose to great a problem Emmet, have you tried to Google it 🤔 l myself purchased my one from  Cornwall Model Boats over here in the UK. I am sorry l can't be much more help on this problem. 

I spent 4 hour working on my build today, the time was divided as follows. 1 hour building 3 hours head scratching. That seems out of balance to me, having said that l am finding it a bit of a challenge. 

 

This first image shows the Bowsprit assembly, consisting of the Bowsprit, Jibboom and Flying Jibboom. Also fitted is the Jack Staff and the Dolphin Striker.

Next up is an image showing, at the top, the Spiritsail Topsail Yard and the lower, Spiritsail Yard.........

Eyelets fitted and painted. 

The last image is the Bowsprit assembly fitted. I have also fitted, but not painted, the Boomkins.

A pleasing, if rather slow, session today. I have a little bit of painting to do at the start of my next session and then it is on to the Formast assembly. 

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.         Time.            Total.  

42.                   4 hrs.            138. 

 

[Emmet]

4 minutes ago, The Lazy Saint said:

Hi all,

Thanks very much for your kind words Richard and Johnny D, appreciated as always. I hope you enjoy tackling this particular build Johnny D, l also hope you post a log, l would be very interested in seeing how you approach it. 

Finding a pin pusher in the US shouldn't pose to great a problem Emmet, have you tried to Google it 🤔 l myself purchased my one from  Cornwall Model Boats over here in the UK. I am sorry l can't be much more help on this problem. 

I spent 4 hour working on my build today, the time was divided as follows. 1 hour building 3 hours head scratching. That seems out of balance to me, having said that l am finding it a bit of a challenge. 

 

This first image shows the Bowsprit assembly, consisting of the Bowsprit, Jibboom and Flying Jibboom. Also fitted is the Jack Staff and the Dolphin Striker.

Next up is an image showing, at the top, the Spiritsail Topsail Yard and the lower, Spiritsail Yard.........

Eyelets fitted and painted. 

The last image is the Bowsprit assembly fitted. I have also fitted, but not painted, the Boomkins.

A pleasing, if rather slow, session today. I have a little bit of painting to do at the start of my next session and then it is on to the Formast assembly. 

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.         Time.            Total.  

42.                   4 hrs.            138. 

 

Thanks I did see it at Cornwall but the shipping charge threw me. At the moment I am a waiting on a collet for the rotary Dremel that will accommodate 1 mm drill bits.  I have been spending a lot of time on getting organized with the proper tools. 

Your build looks great.  I enjoy viewing the work done on MSW.

[Johnny D]

Hi LS,

I am considering posting some progress pics of the 1:200 Victory.  I will let you know.  It will cover weekly progress, so not to inundate with too many photos.

You have done a few very useful stages that are not covered in the less than detailed instructions and found that I have made some mistakes along the way. 

I find myself spending more time trying figure out the next step rather than time building.

I am new to MSW, but have quite few wooden ship projects completed spanning many years.  Still learning, one never stops and following your build gives me the incentive to carry on with it.

Thanks,

Johnny D.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Johnny D
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[Retired guy]

On 1/8/2020 at 8:35 AM, Emmet said:

I should add I need to know the kind of pins as well.

 

Try ModelExpo look up Tools and go to plank bending you will find a Nail Driver for miniature nails

 

Regards

Richard

[Emmet]

2 hours ago, Retired guy said:

 

Try ModelExpo look up Tools and go to plank bending you will find a Nail Driver for miniature nails

 

Regards

Richard

I see the tool you are talking about. The nails are about 8mm long. I have tried to penetrate this frame by using a 1 mm diameter push pin and I get nowhere.  I think it looks like a good tool for my collection.  I am going to try using a mini drill collet on the Dremel rotary today to see if I can start a hole.

[Emmet]

10 minutes ago, Emmet said:

I see the tool you are talking about. The nails are about 8mm long. I have tried to penetrate this frame by using a 1 mm diameter push pin and I get nowhere.  I think it looks like a good tool for my collection.  I am going to try using a mini drill collet on the Dremel rotary today to see if I can start a hole.

 

10 minutes ago, Emmet said:

I see the tool you are talking about. The nails are about 8mm long. I have tried to penetrate this frame by using a 1 mm diameter push pin and I get nowhere.  I think it looks like a good tool for my collection.  I am going to try using a mini drill collet on the Dremel rotary today to see if I can start a hole.

I should add I just bought it on Amazon for $2 less and free shipping.

[Emmet]

2 hours ago, Emmet said:

 

I should add I just bought it on Amazon for $2 less and free shipping.

The Dremel works drilling 1 mm holes. See my website for details.

[The Lazy Saint]

Hi all, 

Each session seems to produce less work than expected for the time spent, this is due to the demanding nature of the build. A lot of time is spent in reading ahead to spot any potential problems, consulting/comparing with the AOTS "Bible" and, of course, head scratching. 

Today l have been working on the For Mast and Yards.

First up is a shot of the yards, from top to bottom:

1. Fore Topgallant Yard 

2. Fore Topmast Yard and Studding Sail Boom's

3. Fore Yard and Studding Sail Boom's

Sanding each one to the correct taper is another of those repetitive jobs that gets easier as you go along. I managed to snap one of the yards, just as l was completing it, l said "oh dear" or words to that effect. 

The second shot is of all the component parts, cut and sanded. I have also fitted the Studding Sail Boom Irons in readiness for fitting into the end of the yards.

My next challenge will be building the For Top and the Tressle/Cross Trees.

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.         Time.           Total.  

43.                    3 hrs.            141. 

 

Edited January 12, 2020 by The Lazy Saint

[Emmet]

7 hours ago, The Lazy Saint said:

Hi all, 

Each session seems to produce less work than expected for the time spent, this is due to the demanding nature of the build. A lot of time is spent in reading ahead to spot any potential problems, consulting/comparing with the AOTS "Bible" and, of course, head scratching. 

Today l have been working on the For Mast and Yards.

First up is a shot of the yards, from top to bottom:

1. Fore Topgallant Yard 

2. Fore Topmast Yard and Studding Sail Boom's

3. Fore Yard and Studding Sail Boom's

Sanding each one to the correct taper is another of those repetitive jobs that gets easier as you go along. I managed to snap one of the yards, just as l was completing it, l said "oh dear" or words to that effect. 

The second shot is of all the component parts, cut and sanded. I have also fitted the Studding Sail Boom Irons in readiness for fitting into the end of the yards.

My next challenge will be building the For Top and the Tressle/Cross Trees.

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

 

Session.         Time.           Total.  

43.                    3 hrs.            141. 

 

I am looking forward to following this part of your build. It will be interesting to see how you taper these poles and connect them together along with the cross trees. 

It will be awhile before I get there.

[Johnny D]

Hi LS,

You appear to have the next stages well in hand.  I am reluctantly having to follow the steps in the instructions which are hard to make sense of.  I have started to rig the bow sprint which was a challenge in itself, but has turned out okay.  Getting a consistent tension on the lines is difficult and there is a fine balance required.  This is only compounded with the rigging on the main part of the ship. As there is no plastic components, the wood offers far more strength in achieving this.

Because there is a lot of handling of the hull, I need to be careful I do not damage parts I have already fixed, therefore have not fitted the gun port covers, the one thing I did replace was the horrible display stand with something far more sturdy, as the one supplied was far too light and not all that strong.   

The masts/yardarms you are working on is something I will be following very closely, as your work to date is outstanding and when complete, it will be a work of art. 

Thanks,

Johnny D.

[Johnny D]

Hi LS,

 

Thought I should drop in a quick pic of where I am at with the bow sprit.  I note the colours vary from your build, but am following the kit instructions.

 

Thanks,

 

Johnny D.

[The Lazy Saint]

Hi all,

Hello Emmet, please may l respectfully request that when you quote from a previous post that you just highlight the relevant sentence/section and quote that part. At the moment entire posts are being duplicated. As l have no computer and work only from my phone l find it quite confusing when l am required to look back for reference. 

Please don't take offence Emmet as non is intended.

Best wishes as always, 

6 hours ago, Johnny D said:

Thought I should drop in a quick pic of where I am at with the bow sprit.

Thank you so much for the picture Johnny D, it looks fantastic. I am so pleased you posted it as it will help me no end. It's a great help to each other to share work, that is why l am hoping for a build log from you, especially now we are at the rigging stage.

Yes, l see the variation in colour schemes, l was unsure of the path to take on that one but decided to copy, where possible, the real Victory at Portsmouth. 

Best wishes as always, 

The Lazy Saint. 

[Emmet]

4 hours ago, The Lazy Saint said:

Hi all,

Hello Emmet, please may l respectfully request that when you quote from a previous post that you just highlight the relevant sentence/section and quote that part. At the moment entire posts are being duplicated. As l have no computer and work only from my phone l find it quite confusing when l am required to look back for reference. 

Please don't take offence Emmet as non is intended.

Best wishes as always, 

I hope this is the right way. Sorry but I did not realize it was a problem. Is this the correct way? I must be doing this to others.