KrisWood Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share #421 Posted September 12, 2021 12 hours ago, AnobiumPunctatum said: I know, but one step after the other. Before I start with Rhino, I will prcatice with my new toy. For the first steps I use my old 2D CAD. Cool! What will you build first? I'd love to follow your build log if you have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted September 13, 2021 Share #422 Posted September 13, 2021 I will start with th MSW capstan project and the Echo cross-section model. Than I will go back to my Triton project, mtaylor 1 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share #423 Posted September 14, 2021 I've been pondering how to save my project so that I can actually build it in wood. I'm coming up rather stumped. I have three options... 1. Save up and buy a CNC mill to cut out the parts, then learn how to use it 2. Find someone who lives near me so has such a machine and ask them to cut the parts out for me 3. Learn how to use hand tools correctly, and do it the old fashioned way... Well, one of those is certainly the least expensive, especially considering I've already bought tons of hand tools for this project. It all comes down to the keel, really. If I can learn to carve the keel correctly, I can learn to do the rest. So my question for all of you is, how would you carve this keel in one piece? What tools would you use? How would you keep all the angles and curves accurate? Most important is that the rabbet must be the exact angle as in the plans, and must flow smoothly into the T shape of the middle of the keel at the correct angle or the garboard strake will be out of alignment which will throw the whole hull out of whack. GrandpaPhil and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share #424 Posted September 14, 2021 Oh! I have an idea! I could start by doing a cross section model. That would give me all the requisite skills and would allow me to focus on one part of the ship instead of the whole thing! mtaylor and Cathead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted September 14, 2021 Share #425 Posted September 14, 2021 3 hours ago, KrisWood said: Oh! I have an idea! I could start by doing a cross section model. That would give me all the requisite skills and would allow me to focus on one part of the ship instead of the whole thing! That is probably the best way to do this project and to learn. Just curious, do you have any power tools like a scroll saw? I've also seen plans on the Net for mounting a hand held scroll saw upside down with the blade coming out on top. Cathead 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share #426 Posted September 22, 2021 Hi @mtaylor, No, I don't have a scroll saw. I do have a similarly table mounted jigsaw that does a similar job but it's not as accurate. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted September 22, 2021 Share #427 Posted September 22, 2021 18 hours ago, KrisWood said: Hi @mtaylor, No, I don't have a scroll saw. I do have a similarly table mounted jigsaw that does a similar job but it's not as accurate. In which case one would not cut to the line but a bit away and then take it down to the line by sanding. I'm not that accurate cutting either but sanding makes it a lot better. Cathead 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted September 29, 2021 Share #428 Posted September 29, 2021 I would build the model by hand using the same techniques being used by Steven (Louie da Fly) to build his Nef model. Carve a plug, plank it, remove from plug, and add frames. I would buy some decent hand tools and learn how to use them before CNC equipment. Roger mtaylor and bolin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted September 30, 2021 Share #429 Posted September 30, 2021 But take more care than I did to make sure the two sides of the plug are exactly the same. Though the differences are slight on mine, when I got to making the frames the lack of symmetry became rather obvious - at least to me - particularly towards the ends. Steven mtaylor and Roger Pellett 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted October 7, 2021 Author Share #430 Posted October 7, 2021 While I have the utmost respect for those who can actually make use of hand tools, I'm afraid I have never managed to gain any skill with them. My lack of depth perception is the main impediment. I have the worst aim with cutting tools, and have a very hard time telling the difference between two similar sides of an object or whether one plank is larger than another or slightly off in any given dimension unless the planks from each side are exactly lined up on top each other. I am meanwhile highly skilled with computers, so I'd rather let the computer handle the accuracy and only assemble the parts by hand. mtaylor and Louie da fly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted October 7, 2021 Share #431 Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) Kris, it is a qustion of the result you like to have, the scale and your skills. There is in my opinion nobody than you who can answer these questions. I know from my own experience hoe dfficult and sometimes really frustrating it is to find this out. If you like to buy some tools buy only good quality tools and check if the mones is an good investement. Take an small project like the MSW capstan project to practice. If you than think, that you need more experience take another small project. If you think it's enough start with your dream model. But be sure that you make in the beginning every part two of three times until the result satisfies you. Edited October 7, 2021 by AnobiumPunctatum KrisWood and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 2, 2022 Author Share #432 Posted September 2, 2022 Hi all, it's been a while. Within days of my last message here, my house was flooded (aka destroyed) when an upstairs toilet malfunctioned overnight and continually filled the downstairs ceiling with water. My possessions have been in storage ever since and my project has been on hold. Since then, I've also lost access to Rhino 3D so I can no longer use the files I had been working with, so I can't even work on the digital version. Alas. Also, even if I could make use of my files, since all my money is going into the house repairs, I can no longer afford the CNC mill I was going to get to continue the project in wood, so meh, I'm all out of luck. Meanwhile I dreamed last night about picking up the project again and it was fun so I'm thinking about, how can I do this in a way that makes sense with the tools I have available.... A computer A MASSIVE amount of reference materials and research I can probably afford to work in card and have plenty of knowhow to make that work if I can learn just a few things... What I need: Free software that can draw/print scale plans on card Help figuring out how to build up layers of card to scale thickness Now to get started! GrandpaPhil, Cathead, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted September 3, 2022 Share #433 Posted September 3, 2022 Sorry hear all this, Kris. Do you have any hand tools such as jig saw, files? That might allow you work in wood. We do have quire a few builders who use the simplest of tools. Cathead 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share #434 Posted September 3, 2022 @mtaylor all my tools are in storage, along with my supply of wood for this project. That's why I was thinking I'd switch to card. Much cheaper and easier to work with an X-Acto knife and paper and I can do it in a tiny apartment while waiting for my house to be repaired. Cathead and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted September 3, 2022 Share #435 Posted September 3, 2022 Hi Kris, sorry to hear all this. If you need help to use your drawings in another more common format, I can help you converting your Rhino files. KrisWood and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share #436 Posted September 3, 2022 Yes please! I'll send you an email. 🙂 mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted September 7, 2022 Share #437 Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Sorry to hear about your house. That’s awful. Corrugated cardboard works great for bulkheads and keel plates. Thickness varies. I use Elmers glue sticks to build up card thickness and Monte Marte glue for the actual gluing. Poster board is about .5 to .7mm thick. Most cereal boxes are about .5mm thick. Welcome to the Dark Side! I’ve had enough fun with card ships that I am now on my third and fourth card ships. Edited September 7, 2022 by GrandpaPhil mtaylor and KrisWood 2 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share #438 Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, GrandpaPhil said: Sorry to hear about your house. That’s awful. Corrugated cardboard works great for bulkheads and keel plates. Thickness varies. I use Elmers glue sticks to build up card thickness and Monte Marte glue for the actual gluing. Poster board is about .5 to .7mm thick. Most cereal boxes are about .5mm thick. Welcome to the Dark Side! I’ve had enough fun with card ships that I am now on my third and fourth card ships. You may have just corrupted me completely. 😆 Now to reduce my scale and figure out what software to use... mtaylor and GrandpaPhil 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share #439 Posted September 7, 2022 Good news, I got the rhino trial working on my new computer. I've got 90 days to come up with useable plans. GrandpaPhil, AnobiumPunctatum, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted September 8, 2022 Share #440 Posted September 8, 2022 It's good to hear. mtaylor 1 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share #441 Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) Hi everyone! It's decision time. I am unable to proceed with a wood project at the moment. In the meanwhile I'm going to proceed with card unless anyone has a CNC mill and wants to collaborate on making parts. (Anyone here interested?) Now I'm considering two questions: What is a good scale for working with card? 1:75 fits the entire keel on a single US Letter sized sheet of card stock so I can print it in one piece, but I think the parts will be too tiny to get the level of detail I'd wanted for my project. I've decided to go with 1:50 Since this thread is for my wood project, should I start a separate one for my card project, or just keep posting here? I've also got a separate thread for my CAD related questions in the CAD forum. Edited September 19, 2022 by KrisWood mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted September 19, 2022 Share #442 Posted September 19, 2022 I'd suggest a new thread since it'll be a different model using a different technique and maybe even a different scale. Also, this thread is so long that it'll be easier for people interested in a card build to start with a new log rather than have to jump 15 pages in to find the restart. mtaylor and KrisWood 2 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisWood Posted September 20, 2022 Author Share #443 Posted September 20, 2022 Ok, I'll start a new one when I start my card build and return to this one when I can work with wood again. 🙂 Cathead and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted September 20, 2022 Share #444 Posted September 20, 2022 Good on starting a new log. As for this one... it will be here. KrisWood 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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