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Open Whaler by Neddie2 - Panart - 1:16 - bitten off more than I can chew


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Hi, so I've just started this kit as my first build - not only do I lack previous experience, I lack many handy tools and anything more than than a kitchen table to build on, but here we go! 

 

Keel and veneering seems fine, and just starting on the bow and stern faring blocks.  One thing I can't quite understand (from the instructions 'translated' from Italian) is how the bulkheads can be glued to the keel, have the planking glued to them, but still be removed later, to get the open hull result.  Should they just be pinned to the keel? special glue to use that's easily dissolved?  My current range of available glues is from PVA to...PVA

 

I'll keep posting photos, if just to show the pitfalls of a beginner buying an intermediate kit! 

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First update... with some good help from here, I've got the first couple of rows of planking done now.  I needed to fit the bulkheads so they could be removed later, but at the same time wanted them to be pretty firm for the planking, so glued slithers of match alongwise each join - ended up pretty strong, and I can chip them off later for easy removal.226687903_WhatsAppImage2020-04-25at10_21.28(1).thumb.jpeg.fab5e423670400bd4fe3467719f5cad8.jpeg

In terms of plank sizing, I split the hull into top and bottom half, and drew out a plan. I'm not really sure whether this is required, but did help get my head around my first planking.

 

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For each plank you can see there's a mass of clips, but feels like you can't have too few. The paper clips are v handy in between each bulkhead to ensure alignment.  (lowest plank on the far side isn't fixed yet, hence the big air gaps!

 

 

 

 

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Looks like you have everything under control. Lovely job so far. I've never done a ship with removable bulkheads before. Good job. 

Regards, Scott

 

Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli

 

Completed builds:

1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli  -  1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli  -  1:54 Adventure, Amati  -  1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL

1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli  -  1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel  -  1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal

 

Awaiting construction:

1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL  -  1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard

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  • 2 weeks later...

So good development recently.  First layer of planking done and filled:

 

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With start of second layer of planking. Started using CA glue for this (seemed to work with the bit of filler, whereas clean wood to wood wasn't good)

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SEcond layer of planks in place - didn't bother with regular tapering, or much neatness, given it's just to be filled and covered again...)

 

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After filling and flatting:

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only just added a rabbit to the bow, which I think will work okay. Would have been v tricky to just position at start of first planks

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But the angle the planks meet the stern post is so fine, a rabit doesn't really work.  Not sure what the plan is here, probalby sand down planking at the stern so the third layer almost flush

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Now the pressure of the final planks that can't just be lashed with filler! 

 

 

 

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So a bit of a jump in progress with the final layer of planks fitted.  Managed to carve a rabet in the bow and stern veneer, which seemed to work well (although done v v carefully):

 

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And final planks.  I had a real problem tapering the planks evenly (working to measures at each bulkhead point), and ended up with big gaps, so decided to do the top planks without tapering, and then taper the others.  Its only the top ones varnished with the hull base black, so worked for me....

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so before and after a bit of filling gaps and sanding:

 

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HAving had a bit of a struggle with the first two layers of planks, rather enjoyed the final one!

 

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Also made it onto the whales, which I thought was going to be a nightmare, but seemed to work well boiling 2/3 in a pan for 8-10 mins and then clipping to the bulkheads as a former.  I hadn't realised quite how soft and flexible the heating/wetting makes them .

 

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And with the bow and stern lockers fitted;

 

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One odd thing is the fitting of the deck. It needs fitting with various covers and boarding, but just doesn't fit the hull very well at the back (as in miles off...).  Close up shows the issue, and it's almost like there's an extra bulkhead in the build, so the hull is too wide at the bow. I've no idea how to sort this without leaving a massive gap... someone please tell me I've missed something incredibly obvious!

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You are a fine example, one doesn't have to have a lot of fancy tools to build an impressive model. 

One only needs a strong desire and determination to succeed.

I look forward to witness your progress. 

Keep up the good work.

RussR                                                                                                                                                                                                    

"Peace is not something you wish for; It's something you make, Something you do, Something you are, And something you give away" by Robert Fulghum

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Thanks RussR, you've inspired me to another post - made a big jump in progress, and been thoroughly enjoyed it.  Deck completed, and fitted, in the end a lot of filing was important to make it fit the whales reasonably closely.

 

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Top of the mast was interesting - managed to make too wide a gap for the pulleys, so there are two spacers sliced from an applicator pipe from aerosol can to keep them roughly central (and the rod to hold them is a bit of paper clip!)

 

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These were fun to do, but not when I realised only 6 are needed! (8 shown on kit box.. 6in plans)

 

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And for you RussR, the bodged tools made out of scraps continue, with this. thin stick is at 3 degrees to help drill the mast step, and the pencil is for the waterline..

 

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And now for the rigging, time to review some more info on this site

 

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Hello Neddie just came across your log, your boat is looking very good indeed.

I think the first lesson to be learnt is "keep going", paying off for you.

As far as tools goes i use one of these.164794194_MiniPlane.png.ae44dd139c904df03e511efd75d7e590.png

Couldn't do without it, no quite PC for some but with the disposable blades, which last a fair while,

it makes a lot of things easier to do. I adjust the blade by tapping with a hammer down near the blade.

Cheers Chris

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Well done! This is a great kit. You are really doing a great job.  You are proving that good model building is 90% attitude, 20% tools and 10% math skills.

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore is a habit, not an act.

~ Aristotle 

 

I could carry, paddle, walk and sing with any man I ever saw. I have been twenty-four years a canoe man, and forty-one years in service; no portage was ever too long for me, fifty songs could I sing. I have saved the lives of ten voyageurs, have had twelve wives and six running dogs. I spent all of my money in pleasure. Were I young again, I would spend my life the same way over. There is no life so happy as a voyageur's life!

~ The Voyageur, Grace Lee Nute

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so... a bit of a jump in terms of the build log, as now complete!

 

thoroughly enjoyed the first build, and a few (of the many things0 I'd learn for next time:

 

- there's a list of kit contents which I only found right at the end of the build, which would have been very handy up front

- tapering the planks freestyle isn't easy or effective (just can't get a straight finish). much improved if I two long straight edges to clamp, and then set the amount of plank protruding at each point before planing off.

- a base made from a bit of scrap garden bench hardwood can work a treat!

- The waterline stripe (a product for cars) is very dificult to get straight, even with a clear line to apply over.

-Overall v happy with the quality of the kit, although I could have been more careful about measuring quantites up front rather than maybe having too much wastage and running short.

 

Now, the Endeavour has caught my attention...

 

 

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Congratulations!  Well done!

Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans)

1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
 

On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans)

 

On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury

 

Favorite finished builds:  1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia

 

Goal: Become better than I was yesterday

 

"The hardest part is deciding to try." - me

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