Cutty Sark by NenadM

[popeye the sailor]

I see it shows anchoring to the deck......and line tension doesn't need to create a musical note.   you want to keep the tension around +0 as much as you can.   you could use the smaller one.......the anchoring will make it stronger.  but if you want to be sure.......there is a + or - that you can go,  as far as scale goes.  whatever you feel comfortable with,  my friend  

[Burroak]

Nenad your ship is looking very nice.

[NenadM]

Like many things in life, Nenad, there's a compromise. A bit overscale won't hurt the final appearance and it's better to have the strength you need than to get way beyond this and suddenly the part breaks.

 

 

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I agree, Mark. I've just got an idea how to use domestic beast

[NenadM]

Like many things in life, Nenad, there's a compromise. A bit overscale won't hurt the final appearance and it's better to have the strength you need than to get way beyond this and suddenly the part breaks.

 

 

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I agree Mark. And just have got idea how this beast to make usefull ...

 

[NenadM]

I see it shows anchoring to the deck......and line tension doesn't need to create a musical note.   you want to keep the tension around +0 as much as you can.   you could use the smaller one.......the anchoring will make it stronger.  but if you want to be sure.......there is a + or - that you can go,  as far as scale goes.  whatever you feel comfortable with,  my friend  

 

Thanks Denis. There was just thoughts. I have some minor experience with rigging (Santa Maria, Stella and Jolly Roger) and I know exactly what you are pointing to: zero tension. Just proper words for this

[NenadM]

Nenad your ship is looking very nice.

Wellcome Greg, and thanks for nice words. I hope you'll enjoy in this looooong voyage from mistake to mess ans back

 

Nenad,

 

You are right, small scales force compromise. Sad because that smaller version of the pin rail looks superb. A lovely piece of work.

Hello Ian. I agree with you, too, but there has to be "a couple" of lines and ropes, and this option with small pins just will not looking well. Just thinking ... ropes which ended on that pinrails has 1-1,5cm, max 2cm dia, considering to photos. Also, there are some chains (!) with simillar diameter. My scale is approx. 1:100 which means - ropes and chains 0,1-0,2mm dia !!!! And I didn't find and have no opportunity to see any modeler working with ropes which are so thin. So, compromises just have to be done Edited February 27, 2016 by Nenad

[NenadM]

Finished, ready for painting. Really small, comparing to ciggarete and toothpick

 

Here is result of compromises, step by step

 

All from bamboo. Curves on pillars are shaped with rottary tool, the rest is done by my fat fingers, and lasts almost four hours of work

 

 

 

 

[Omega1234]

Hi Nenad

 

Fat fingers, or no fat fingers, Nenad, there's no denying that those pin-rails look great.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[SawdustDave]

Now THAT'S some great looking pin rails my friend!

Wooo Hoooo!

 

Dave

[UpstateNY]

That is some really lovely detail work Nenad...you can see the hours needed to create those pintails in the results.

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel.

Edited February 28, 2016 by UpstateNY

[NenadM]

Thx PatriCk, Dave Nigel and others

And now, challenge itself! Steering wheel. Yesterday I start with cropping details from my pdf plans enlarged to 100% of their size and importing them in AI ... Wheel box is 21mm long, 8 mm wide and 10-12mm high ... Steering wheel has only 15mm outside dia ! Whoa! It will be very very interesting ... IS it possible to reproduce even a part of making process I have seen on MSW how masters do?

Edited February 28, 2016 by Nenad

[Omega1234]

Hi Nenad

 

Yes!  You most certainly can do a great job on the steering wheel, even though you may doubt your ability to do so.  From what you've showed us, there's nothing that you haven't been able to do so far.

 

I'm looking forward to your next update.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Edited February 28, 2016 by Omega1234

[NenadM]

Preparing ...

 

 

Outside dia of wheel is 16mm, which means ...

 

Cross-poles are 0,5mm on scale ( wheel No 1 at drawing) and have to be a bit enlarged to toothpick width, to be able to make even minor curve, which will look as on wheel No 2. Not more. This is final limit of enlarging to keep wheel elegant look.

 

Ok, cross-poles are ( theoreticaly) resolved ... still outer ring to figure out how 

[Gerhardvienna]

Hi Nenad

Great work so far, the rails look really good!

 

By doing the wheel, take a look at my SMS Danzig report, how to make the spokes. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12842-sms-danzig-1851-by-gerhardvienna-radio-150-scale/ The method I did it, was shown from Archjofo in his La Creole building report.  The outer rim can be done even in other ways. The way to turn the spokes is shown in post #7 in my report.

 

Best regards

Gerhard

Edited February 28, 2016 by Gerhardvienna

[NenadM]

Wellcome Gerhard and thank you for idea. I have seen Archjofo's method earlier, as your work (silently). For next building I'll sure go forward by your steps (I hope).

 

Now I have two problems: lack if tools is one

 

Scale is another. Wait a second to take a photo ...

 

 

You can see how regular toothpick seems hudge as a monster beast toward wheel ...

 

Ok, I'll try something simillar tomorrow.

 

Thanks for your interest. It seems just as in old saying : "what is a cow head for a cat to eat".

Edited February 28, 2016 by Nenad

[Gerhardvienna]

Hi again Nenad

 

So, here is another option to make the steering wheel. For the outer rims and center use  a ring of 0,4mm plywood, the spokes can be turned as from Archjofo shown, and the space between the spokes and rings can be filled with balsa wood. This makes it less complicated, the wheel for the RIGI was made that way.

Hope you are not bad about some pictures...........

 

Regards

Gerhard

 

 

[NenadM]

So, keep on playing Nenad ... You need it when you find yourself as complete idiot ... When winter comes, I close wather vents in homeyard, this year spring comes earlier, and I opened them, but forgot to close safety vent ... 50m3 of water go into land every month ... Bad - month bill will be astronomic. Good - I was thinking that pipe breaked, and that I have to dig 1m deep to find broken pipe, but it is not

 

 

So, stearing wheel, attempt No 1

 

 

Method used ... Someting between...

 

Following photos step by step until half-product

 

Fine tuning tomorrow

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 29, 2016 by Nenad

[Gerhardvienna]

Hi Nenad

Just a bit rough, but a good first attempt. I know from your former builds, you can do that much better. Try to turn the spokes, if you dont have a lathe, you can use a drilling machine, fixed to your workbench. This brass spokes will not fit to what you can build, use toothpicks as you have shown earlier, and grind the careful to recommended size.

 

Good Luck, have sucesss!

Regards

Gerhard 

[Piet]

Catching up on your progress Nenad.  Very nice looking pinrails.  Steering wheel, hmmm - - - not easy but you'll get it.  Suggest using Gerhard's suggestions, seems to be the easiest way to do it.  Wooden spokes will also look more authentic.

Good luck, I know that with your perseverance you'll make a very nice wheel.

 

Cheers,

[NenadM]

Hmmm... You're pushing me over my limits ....

 

I accept chalenge!

[Gerhardvienna]

Hi Nenad

Not challenge, but maybe exeeding limits ...........

To be serious, the only limit is, what you expect for yourself. Things can be done by trying only. BUT; When I look at your former posts, you have made some really difficult things before, so this wheel will not hold you back, as I believe!

 

Regards

Gerhard

[NenadM]

Forward to breaking limits ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Three hours, with many lost pieces and breaks, my attention weaks, I'll continue tomorow

[Piet]

Yes, I know all about how much time goes into small fiddly stuff but you are on the right track Nenad.  Perhaps you can make the discs a little thinner - maybe ? yes?

You can make the spokes a little longer so you fit them in the Dremmel tool and using a small file carve then into the shape you want.  After they are made you cut them to size.  That's the easiest way around it.

 

Persevere my friend, you can do it.  You are on the right track.  You don't need fancy tools, I don't have fancy tools, Nils doesn't have fancy tools.  We all work with small hand tools.

 

Cheers,

[Gerhardvienna]

Hi Nenad

 

As Piet wrote, your on the right track! If you want to make the wheel a little thinner, build it first with the thick rings and center, and grind them later to your wanted size. Therefore lay just a piece of sanding paper on the table, lay the wheels on it and move it slightly around. So you will get the wheel to correct thickness without the danger of breaking it. That`s how I made it with all my steering wheels.

 

 

Regards

Gerhard

[NenadM]

Yes, I know all about how much time goes into small fiddly stuff but you are on the right track Nenad. Perhaps you can make the discs a little thinner - maybe ? yes?

You can make the spokes a little longer so you fit them in the Dremmel tool and using a small file carve then into the shape you want. After they are made you cut them to size. That's the easiest way around it.

 

Persevere my friend, you can do it. You are on the right track. You don't need fancy tools, I don't have fancy tools, Nils doesn't have fancy tools. We all work with small hand tools.

 

Cheers,

Rings are planed to be more thinner, particulary outer two.

 

Spokes carved?. I am not sure. Now they are in scale and has dia less than 1mm. Maybe to make them a bit thicker (cc 1-1,3mm), and to carve their thinner part to actual size. If they do not visualy overload space inside rings on that way

[NenadM]

Hi Nenad

 

As Piet wrote, your on the right track! If you want to make the wheel a little thinner, build it first with the thick rings and center, and grind them later to your wanted size. Therefore lay just a piece of sanding paper on the table, lay the wheels on it and move it slightly around. So you will get the wheel to correct thickness without the danger of breaking it. That`s how I made it with all my steering wheels.

 

 

Regards

Gerhard

This is exactly the way I used and plan to use, with 400 fine sandpaper. I think there is no other way if you have 0,7-1mm vener and want it as 0,1-0,3mm. Planed thickness of wheel is not more than 1-1,2mm

[NenadM]

Hmmmm

 

 

 

 

[Gerhardvienna]

Hmmmm

 

Hi Nenad

 

Hmmmm..........................

Looks great! And now just 7 more of them, this will be a perfect steering wheel!

 

Regards

Gerhard

[dgbot]

You have a lot of patience my friend.  Keep plugging away at it and you will end up with a perfect wheel. I have faith in your skills.

David B

[CaptainSteve]

Keep at it, Nenad. Looks like you are making great progress !!