Cutty Sark by NenadM

[keelhauled]

Hi Nenad, 

Catching up on your progress.  very nice.  Love your photos.  You are very talented.  Artist, musician, sculptor.  

Stay healthy, happy, and well!

Marc

[NenadM]

5 hours ago, keelhauled said:

Hi Nenad, 

Catching up on your progress.  very nice.  Love your photos.  You are very talented.  Artist, musician, sculptor.  

Stay healthy, happy, and well!

Marc

Hello Marc

On a horse again.

So, let's ride!

[NenadM]

Middle part of main mast

Behind is 8mm stick I used for this

[NenadM]

Maybe it will be useful for someone ...

The mini lathe is too expensive a toy for most amateur modelers, at least in Serbia.
On the other hand, while preparing to make the masts, and based on Campbell's plans, using Adobe Illustrator, I found that each of the 9 parts of the three masts has its own special dimensions both at the base and at the top, and that all parts are conical. To do something like that without a lathe is quite optimistic, so I thought for a long time how to solve it.
At some point, it occurred to me to fasten the required piece of shape into the jaw of an ordinary home drill and to process it there with a knife and sandpaper. Hell, slow and inaccurate.
Then it occurred to me how to speed up the process with greater precision. I put a rotary sandpaper roller in the Dremell engraving tool, and adjusted the home drill to rotate in the opposite direction from the Dremell tool, and ... bingo! It works perfectly!
The fact is that the wood dust flies in all directions, so I recommend working with goggles, but we love that smell, right?
By regulating the speed and speed of the drill and the Dremell tool, the precision of work is also regulated. Periodic diameter checking is implied. This mode of operation enables precision of the order of 0.1-0.2 mm, which is more than enough
Of course, in the end there is a fine sanding and trimming.
The photo shows the basics of this mode
Enjoy the smell (and taste) of wood dust!

 

And until this morning I was wandering where my Bluetooth adapter vanished ...

 

Edited May 14, 2021 by NenadM

[NenadM]

5 of 9 parts - done

4 to go

Middle section of fore mast

[NenadM]

Making masts, some queations appear. Pretty enough for mind blow and head ache.
Look at this detail. And that is not only ...
Dia of fore mas bottom in my scale is only 8mm
There are placed two rings with pins and and with bumch of little rings.
How should be dia of those little beasts? Pins lenght - 1mm?
It is not problem to fake, and to make something to look as it should look.
But, how to make it to be functional and strong enough to put end of ropes lines there ... 
How thin ropes have to be? As a hair, or less?
Hmm
Will it help if I enlarge dia of mast to 10mm? I don't think so?
Dark side, dark side, dark side ...
Hmm again

 

[My Fathers Son]

2 hours ago, NenadM said:

Making masts, some queations appear. Pretty enough for mind blow and head ache.
Look at this detail. And that is not only ...
Dia of fore mas bottom in my scale is only 8mm
There are placed two rings with pins and and with bumch of little rings.
How should be dia of those little beasts? Pins lenght - 1mm?
It is not problem to fake, and to make something to look as it should look.
But, how to make it to be functional and strong enough to put end of ropes lines there ... 
How thin ropes have to be? As a hair, or less?
Hmm
Will it help if I enlarge dia of mast to 10mm? I don't think so?
Dark side, dark side, dark side ...
Hmm again

 

Hi NenadM,

 

The image you have shown here is the foot of the Mizzen mast. At 1:100 I am going to have to surrender to practicality on my Cutty but she is not as strict to scale as yours. I am currently remaking the Lower Mizzen and fitting out this section with hardware and the image you have shown has been a great help as I had not realised the lower band was going to have blocks. I have managed to get sight of Cambells drawings and unfortunately, he has not detailed this section of the mast unless you can see the detail here.

 

Loving the detail on your Cutty.

 

Simon

[NenadM]

Another unexpected stop

I am happy winner of big and painful stye (Hordeolum) on my right eye .. caused by sawdust ... and dirty hands in workshop ... and ... 

Wear protective glasses during carving !!!!!!

[LeoM]

Dear Nenad,

 

I have started reading your build log: what a tremendous job you are doing, both in making the best possible Cutty Sark ever and the prose you are writing. If one would print out your build log it would be the size of a telephone book, but not so boring. 😉

Keep up the good work and I will continue admiring your work.

 

Leo

Ps This should be my 10th post and I should be able to have my signature under my posts from now 🙂

 

 

[NenadM]

On 6/10/2021 at 11:22 PM, LeoM said:

Dear Nenad,

 

I have started reading your build log: what a tremendous job you are doing, both in making the best possible Cutty Sark ever and the prose you are writing. If one would print out your build log it would be the size of a telephone book, but not so boring. 😉

Keep up the good work and I will continue admiring your work.

 

Leo

Ps This should be my 10th post and I should be able to have my signature under my posts from now 🙂

 

 

You are to much kind, Leo. Thank you

[NenadM]

Side project going forward

Learning with exercise in engraving, to become familiar with my dremel, until time to make Nanny comes

[NenadM]

And another side attack of creativity ...

(Her Majesty cried ...)

I wrote about flood in flat and replacement 50m2 parquet ... 

Somewhere i garage, there are still few leftovers of styrofoam 10mm, and from repairing day, I was wandering from time to time how to use them, and for what.

And, my mind wheels kicked out idea ... 

My living room was arranged in minimalsitic style, and it will be good to have something white monochromat with shadows playing on it. One day, I was reading something about ancient Egypt, and this picture appear ...

 

Hmmm ... not bad idea ...

I did neccessary drawings in AI, printed them ... and it stand couple of months in some corner waiting for realisation ( what glue to use, how to cut ... etc)

Yesterday I decided to try with fast glue for wood, and here is phase 1

Above all expectations!

 

Next stage - corrections and painting to white stone colour

And Her Majaesty is angry, now ...

 

[NenadM]

Monkey (me) see, monkey (me) do ...

First Anubis went to one lady as birthday gift, but  ... I also want to have Anubis !!!

So, here is another one, doubled, 60x90 cm

Adn it is finaly time do leave my side projects and to return to her Majesty

 

 

[popeye the sailor]

my Nenad........you've been busy..........you 'up' time,  as well as your 'down' time    her majesty is looking super......good to see you've begun to mast her!  

 

stay well my friend!

Edited October 27, 2021 by popeye the sailor

[NenadM]

13 hours ago, popeye the sailor said:

my Nenad........you've been busy..........you 'up' time,  as well as your 'down' time    her majesty is looking super......good to see you've begun to mast her!  

 

stay well my friend!

 

Hello Denis

I think you are familiar with things which happened to me - "monkey see monkey do" sindrom. Translated in simple words - You go where an attack of creativity leads you ... and here in my head there are many of that little sudden attacks. Beside I finally find rounded molds required for forwarding with masts, my "wooden eggs" passion dont let me peace

So, my fifth "woodenge egg" is running on its way, from one peace of wood

 

Good way and time to rethink about some mast problem which occupuies me from begining of making masts. It seem not to be great problem to make them in wood, also to put all parts and shackles ( I have succesful already done couple of simmilar little devils), but ...  max dia of main mast at the bottom is 9mm, another are thinner ... and thinner ... and thiner ... and there I have to put two rings arround on all three masts near deck - one with pins and other with hooks ... where a bunch of ropes have to be tied in ropeing stage of build. Pretty crowded, isnt it? That lead to another question - how much thin ropes would be, to assume right look and feel to bottom of mast. 0,1-0,2 mm ????

Hmm ...

 

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by NenadM

[NenadM]

In the way to real dark side

Lower Fore Mast, preparing and analytic

Digged from C-plans

[NenadM]

I don't know right name for this little platform on mast.

Work drawing was made in AIllustrator, drawing over C-plan crop, using some photos in my collection to see what really happens there.
After diggin through whole house to find not too hard but not to soft metal for main construction, finally find old box for ciggarets, and started with attempth No 1
But, after few hours, everything looks better thanI expext, so one of next days I'll keep on with ironng foot of platform, covering with wood, drilling, mounting thousand little beasts, and painting

 

 

[NenadM]

Next step

Micro ironing

And 12 little holes

[My Fathers Son]

2 hours ago, NenadM said:

Next step

Micro ironing

And 12 little holes

NenadM

 

I believe these are known as Crosstrees. They are not a single piece but a construct of a number of pieces.  The piece below is normally on the side of the mast and are known as Cheeks, their purpose is to provide a support for the Trestletrees that run fore and aft either side of the mast. Cross trees would be set into these providing a base onto which a platform was built leaving a gap either side of the mast known as a lubbers hole. Bolsters were mounted on top either side to support the shrouds that would pass around the mast and down through the lubbers hole.

 

The holes you have made are for the upper shrouds either side and the running gear for the bunt lines on the front.

 

These are typical constructs that can be found described here on Model Ship World.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

Simon

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by My Fathers Son
checked the spelling

[NenadM]

9 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

NenadM

 

I believe these are known as Crosstrees. They are not a single piece but a construct of a number of pieces.  The piece below is normally on the side of the mast and are known as Cheeks, their purpose is to provide a support for the Trestletrees that run fore and aft either side of the mast. Cross trees would be set into these providing a base onto which a platform was built leaving a gap either side of the mast known as a lubbers hole. Bolsters were mounted on top either side to support the shrouds that would pass around the mast and down through the lubbers hole.

 

The holes you have made are for the upper shrouds either side and the running gear for the bunt lines on the front.

 

These are typical constructs that can be found described here on Model Ship World.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

Simon

 

 

Thank you Simon

Serbia is continental land without navy tradition, and in our language, there are not terms for all parts of rigging mast and yard details. That makes me some problems identifieing and naming details, remember their names, and manage how all it  works, on the way to decide about level of approximation and simplyfing. As I wrote earlier, in scale 1:100, cca 10 cm dia of deadeye on crosstrees are only 1m dia on model (with 3 holes !) which is impossible and meaningless to do. Also, white ropes which can be seen on photos are cca 1cm thick, which mean that on scale 1:100 it can be 0,1mm !!!! And can it all be really seen on model long 100 cm? I think - no. Althrough 6 this little beasts are seated UNDER crosstree, cca 15cm above deck, covered with sails, and nobody can really see them on model, and all that mess will be visually covered by bunch of sails and ropes of standing and running rigging.

But for that decision, it is impiortant to understand how all this works

MSW is great help for many questions that arrise here

Nenad

[My Fathers Son]

I agree exactly about the scale problem, my own Cutty is approx 1:100 and had to surrender to the fact that I wanted to display something that represents what she looks like, but the rigging scale would not be absolutely correct. So my deadeyes are all 5mm. I could have gone for 3mm for the upper shrouds, and in hindsight, probably should have, but it's been a steep learning curve for me also.

 

I used 1mm thread for cable, 0.7mm for halyards and 0.35mm for ratlines. I will use the same sort of scale to differentiate between the rest of the stays, halyards, and finer ropes like buntlines. 

 

At the end of the day, it's your project and the level of detail you go to is always personal choice, I have had to make plenty of such decisions myself as I wanted to retain as much of dad's original material model as I dared. 

 

Keep up the good work.

[My Fathers Son]

5 hours ago, NenadM said:

 

Serbia is continental land without navy tradition, and in our language, there are not terms for all parts of rigging mast and yard details.

 

Just a quick point on this bit NenadM, dont knock your knowledge on this subject. I come from an Island nation famous for its naval history but there are very few people in this country, including myself,  who would not have the faintest idea what a Trestletree or Crosstree is, let alone a bunt line or deadeye without having to research the subject first.

 

This is a language all of its own that was known to a select few and even that fell out of use over a century ago for the most part, so you are not alone in needing a very specific type of dictionary and thesaurus to get to grips with the task ahead.

 

Simon 

[NenadM]

19 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

 

Just a quick point on this bit NenadM, dont knock your knowledge on this subject. I come from an Island nation famous for its naval history but there are very few people in this country, including myself,  who would not have the faintest idea what a Trestletree or Crosstree is, let alone a bunt line or deadeye without having to research the subject first.

 

This is a language all of its own that was known to a select few and even that fell out of use over a century ago for the most part, so you are not alone in needing a very specific type of dictionary and thesaurus to get to grips with the task ahead.

 

Simon 

 

Just to mention ... long ago, I downloaded as *.pdf George Bidddlecombe`s book Art of rigging  (1848) with 70-80 pages of nautic dictionary with terms and drawings, also book "Nautical terms for modelship builder" puiblished by www.modelshipbuilder.com, with 80 pages of terms and explanations ... and optimisticly started with learning ... but ... one to me unknown term is definied with  another one or two or more terms which are also unknown to me, so, digging for that one or two additional terms, I found them but ... explained with another one or two unknown terms ... etc etc 

So I gave up

[LeoM]

I found this glossary very handy as my mother-tongue is not English either:

Illustrated Glossary of Ship and Boat Terms and you can find here https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199336005.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199336005-e-48

Hope it helps for you as it does for me 😉

 

[NenadM]

And ... can it be/have it be more precise?

 

 

[LeoM]

Here is a picture with all the different parts of the "Top". There is a Fore Top, Main Top and Mizzen Top

[LeoM]

But anyway, your Top is a beautifully crafted one!

[mtaylor]

Well done on the top, Nenad.  Very tiny and good detail.

[My Fathers Son]

NenadM,

 

Just one small suggestion, you need to make a hole to insert the TopGallant Mast into the top.

 

 

The space between the holes is for the cables for the shrouds to pass between the masts and down through the top in the slots you have cut.

 

Simon

[NenadM]

19 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

NenadM,

 

Just one small suggestion, you need to make a hole to insert the TopGallant Mast into the top.

 

 

The space between the holes is for the cables for the shrouds to pass between the masts and down through the top in the slots you have cut.

 

Simon

 

You are right, my friend. C-plans are not quite readable for begginers

When you point, I check it, and see ...

In mean time, I re-think, and decided to make it again, this time from a bit harder material, and more acurate and clean

Is there any part of Her Majesty which I can make at once?

But, this is all one big game. so, let`s play!