Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[rwiederrich]

Starting the topsail yard braces. 
 

Rob

Edited June 24, 2022 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

Mizzen main sheet and tack.  
I’ll belay them when I flip the boat. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

What I’ve done thus far. 
 

Rob

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by rwiederrich

[BANYAN]

Rob, those 'faux' furled sails are really looking good among the increasing rigging 'forest'; it will be great to eventually see the effect against a clean background.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

Flipped the boat and began adding fair leads in the bulwark and the eye bolts. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Backing away and going to bed.   It’s been a long day.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, BANYAN said:

Rob, those 'faux' furled sails are really looking good among the increasing rigging 'forest'; it will be great to eventually see the effect against a clean background.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Right.  I’ll probably take her out against a neutral background some day soon.  All the business in the background does take away a bit.   She’s in the throw’s of construction…….really not ready for a proper photo shoot. 
 

Thanks for the great interest and support. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob,

A factor of your construction process that I find a bit confusing has to do with the structural reinforcement of the foremast tied into the bow and bowsprit. I would think that you would have normally chosen to install this significant spar for the added strength provided to the support of both the main and mizzen mast. I can understand not mounting the yardarms on the foremast but to not step the foremast itself and tying this powerful structural component to the bow  as well as the bowsprit too, with the additional tension provided by that installation is what I wonder about. I would be concerned about possibly over tensioning the rigging your doing now once the foremast with its yards is eventually installed and rigged. Just curious as to your rigging process choice.

Either way, as you proceed, your Glory of the Seas is shaping up to be the most spectacular, museum quality, faithfully precise replica ever produced. I am in awe of your meticulous rigging process.

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vlad, Druxey, Banyan et all,

In final preperation for the very soon to be submitted Nautical Research Journal article, I've corrected all minor mistakes and darkened the outline of my 11" x 43" 1:96th scale Clipper Glory of the Seas sketch. The first effort of Staples to scan the original came out crooked, so I will probably need to get it scanned again. Meanwhile I took a picture of it and did my best to correct the mistake as well as convert it to a jpg image to share. Once I get this to the point where it's exactly right, I can make as many prints as I want for $3.00 each. I plan on sending 3 to Mike (one for him, another for Arina and a third for Ron Haug) then one each for Ron and Vlad. Druxey, I'm planning on sending you one, so I'll need your address, unless you prefer not. That leaves the current count at 7 (including 1 for myself) Pat or if anyone else wants one, just send me a message. The first image shared here still isn't level but shows the entire sketch. I did finally get it level but just slightly cut off the very tip of the jibboom. Rest assured, the one going into the magazine article most definitely will be level and complete.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by ClipperFan
additional information

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob,

A factor of your construction process that I find a bit confusing has to do with the structural reinforcement of the foremast tied into the bow and bowsprit. I would think that you would have normally chosen to install this significant spar for the added strength provided to the support of both the main and mizzen mast. I can understand not mounting the yardarms on the foremast but to not step the foremast itself and tying this powerful structural component to the bow  as well as the bowsprit too, with the additional tension provided by that installation is what I wonder about. I would be concerned about possibly over tensioning the rigging your doing now once the foremast with its yards is eventually installed and rigged. Just curious as to your rigging process choice.

Either way, as you proceed, your Glory of the Seas is shaping up to be the most spectacular, museum quality, faithfully precise replica ever produced. I am in awe of your meticulous rigging process.

Good observation....If I were building a plastic model...I would be quite concerned with warpage.  However with wood and strong construction...not too much.  However.......Since, currently, all the stresses are pulling aft against the main mast....I need to be careful, not to over stress and *bend* the mast back beyond its established rake(Plus when I install one line, I then tend to slacken another...with no counter force).   The tension I am putting on each line is minimal at best....just to get the un-natural *kink* out of the line.

 

As of last night...I only added the braces for the main mast yards on the starboard side....probably against what I wanted to do, but no harm.

I will most likely shift my attention to the foremast yards in the next few days.....after I touch up some minor details.

I know it all appears unorthodox....cuz most begin rigging by stepping out the masts and then adding all the stays to begin the foundation of stability and rigidity.   I'm moving....like I did with my Great Republic....in a more, *sub-system* methodology.  Completing each mast with all its yards and rigging(mizzen first this time), then moving forward...culminating in the final rigging of the bowsprit/jibboom.

Of course, I take deviations from this method, now and again, do to simplicity of construction and process of following the *Inside to outside* rule.

 

One last note:  Because we are not dealing with actual weight to stress ratios...like what would be encountered with real, large, heavy timbers...I can fudge the physics.

 

And since its my habit to *fudge* things...I think the end result will not be effected.

 

Rob

Edited June 24, 2022 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vlad, Druxey, Banyan et all,

In final preperation for the very soon to be submitted Nautical Research Journal article, I've corrected all minor mistakes and darkened the outline of my 11" x 43" 1:96th scale Clipper Glory of the Seas sketch. The first effort of Staples to scan the original came out crooked, so I will probably need to get it scanned again. Meanwhile I took a picture of it and did my best to correct the mistake as well as convert it to a jpg image to share. Once I get this to the point where it's exactly right, I can make as many prints as I want for $3.00 each. I plan on sending 3 to Mike (one for him, another for Arina and a third for Ron Haug) then one each for Ron and Vlad. Druxey, I'm planning on sending you one, so I'll need your address, unless you prefer not. That leaves the current count at 7 (including 1 for myself) Pat or if anyone else wants one, just send me a message. The first image shared here still isn't level but shows the entire sketch. I did finally get it level but just slightly cut off the very tip of the jibboom. Rest assured, the one going into the magazine article most definitely will be level and complete.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wonderful....just wonderful

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

10 hours ago, BANYAN said:

Rob, those 'faux' furled sails are really looking good among the increasing rigging 'forest'

Upon further review of this statement Banyan....I was wondering....what else is NOT Faux?  Thank you for your fine compliment and continued encouragements.  I would have NEVER achieved similar results with real cloth...not even with Silkspan.

I had to be creative with this simulation....remembering that every aspect of this model is a simulation.  The canvas on the boats(Not real canvas), the brass work(Not real iron), there is more plastics, composites, and other unorthodox materials on this model then there was ever on a real clipper.  There is not one ounce of Oak, cedar, mahogany, white pine, but there is a whole lotta wood glue and CA to build a dinning room set.

 

It's all an illusion...masterfully constructed to disguise the pirated engineering from a thousand things, both manmade and natural.   I was just fortunate enough(By God's grace and blessings) to know how to combine all those elements and it turn out to be a replica of a beautiful clipper ship.

 

We....all here, are doing the same thing....taking what, ISN'T and transforming it into what we want it to be, by skillful use of imagination(Another thing to thank God for).

 

IMV...It's that simple.  The hard part is taking all that earthly knowledge and turning it into a convincing ship model.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all:

Staples came through for me and properly realigned the print scanned yesterday. Attentive people will notice it's a little narrower now since it would have had white spaces at the top of each mast due to reorientation to level. At this point, I'll probably do 10 prints, so I'll have a few extra. This will be on decent ordinary paper. It's a premium of $20.00 to get the stiffer poster type paper. To me it's not worth that much more, since even this scan still blurs some of the finer details.

[rwiederrich]

20 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all:

Staples came through for me and properly realigned the print scanned yesterday. Attentive people will notice it's a little narrower now since it would have had white spaces at the top of each mast due to reorientation to level. At this point, I'll probably do 10 prints, so I'll have a few extra. This will be on decent ordinary paper. It's a premium of $20.00 to get the stiffer poster type paper. To me it's not worth that much more, since even this scan still blurs some of the finer details.

Man, that looks sweet.  The stem angle we agreed upon is, IMV spot on.  From stem to stern...Rich, she looks beautiful.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Added a little aft scroll work. And rudder chain. 
 

Rob

Edited June 24, 2022 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Man, that looks sweet.  The stem angle we agreed upon is, IMV spot on.  From stem to stern...Rich, she looks beautiful.

 

Rob

Rob,

Thanks for the generous compliment. I think the work of this group will revolutionize the understanding of the authentic beauty of McKay's Clipper Glory of the Seas. In addition, I honestly believe that the models that you and Vladimir are constructing are finally, for the first time ever, reproducing faithful replicas of a McKay Clipper.

[ClipperFan]

53 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Added a little aft scroll work. 
 

Rob

Rob, 

Glorious, glorious! Your stern truly reflects the stunning beauty of Glory of the Seas. Very nicely done. So lovely.

[rwiederrich]

Prepping and getting ready for foremast rigging.   Shrouds and rat lines are up next.   
 

Rob

[Snug Harbor Johnny]

  Rob has offered some good advice, which is pasted from an earlier post in this log:

 

   "I just wanted to help those, thinking, or beginning rigging on their own models.

   3 things I want to leave you....1: Use the appropriate size cable for your rigging (Smaller is better).

                                                    2: Use the appropriate color, Greyish tan is best, (deadeye lanyards are NOT running rigging...stop using tan cord)

                                                   3: Rig as much as you are comfortable with(but if you put that much effort into your hull build...why stop there,       challenge yourself, you'll be a better modeler because of it)."

 

  In perusing a number of logs, the ones who make use of what can be considered 'miniature rope' for their rigging (made on a mini rope-walk such as Chuck's rope rocket, or purchased from a vendor using similar techniques) look the best.  There is very little rigging 'fuzz' - which shows up on close shots, and must be visible on a close examination of the model.  Some kit rope isn't too bad and can be treated to reduce 'fuzz', but given the effort (and cost) that goes into a build, why not make the most of rigging opportunities - as rigging is often 'half the model'.

 

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, Banyan et all,

Here are two Glory of the Seas hull images I recently shared with Michael Mjelde. Interestingly, his only comment was that both bits on her forecastle were constructed of wood and rectangular, with metal corners. He intends to send me a photo. At this point I hadn't planned on including the ventral bow forecastle view but I've reconsidered and now will do so.

Meanwhile I've also included my

conceptual sketch of the most likely appearance of her rear wheelhouse split-level slanting ventilator. Now that I've heard back from Mike about a small detail like her forecastle bits, I'm also going to send my interpretation of this fascinating structure too and ask if he has any images that either confirm or refute this interpretation.

 

 

Edited June 27, 2022 by ClipperFan
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[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all:

Based on Druxey's sensible advice, I went to Oddo Printing here in Torrington and got a much clearer result, which you can see here. I also revised the description of the overhead view of Glory's bow and f'o'csle to "plan view." Mike told me that the mooring bits on her f'o'csle were actually wooden rectangular with metal trim at the corners. He has photos and said he'll share them with us. I have until this Thursday to meet the July 1st deadline to wait. Now I have a bit of a quandry. Better prints run $15.00 each. I already have plenty of the $3.00 Staples prints ready to share and can absorb expenses for those which are pretty decent. Sending out a bunch of prints at $15.00 a piece gets to be quite expensive. So guys, let me who would appreciate getting a print with the finer details.

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all:

Based on Druxey's sensible advice, I went to Oddo Printing here in Torrington and got a much clearer result, which you can see here. I also revised the description of the overhead view of Glory's bow and f'o'csle to "plan view." Mike told me that the mooring bits on her f'o'csle were actually wooden rectangular with metal trim at the corners. He has photos and said he'll share them with us. I have until this Thursday to meet the July 1st deadline to wait. Now I have a bit of a quandry. Better prints run $15.00 each. I already have plenty of the $3.00 Staples prints ready to share and can absorb expenses for those which are pretty decent. Sending out a bunch of prints at $15.00 a piece gets to be quite expensive. So guys, let me who would appreciate getting a print with the finer details.

I sure want to see those pics of the wooden bits…… an I want one of the finer details and the $3 one too.    I’ll pay a bro.  Do you do Apple Pay?
Rob

Edited June 27, 2022 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

32 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

I sure want to see those pics of the wooden bits…… an I want one of the finer details and the $3 one too.    I’ll pay a bro. 
Rob

Rob,

Just as soon as Mike sends them, I'll share them here. Thanks for understanding about the print expenses. Rest assured, costs are not being "padded." This is truly a "non-profit" endeavor. The article is 100% done now. I'm just waiting to see if Mike has those wooden mooring bit pics and to see if he has any further input on the interesting double Decker Wheelhouse ventilator. Either way, this Thursday is submission day.

[ClipperFan]

5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I sure want to see those pics of the wooden bits…… an I want one of the finer details and the $3 one too.    I’ll pay a bro.  Do you do Apple Pay?
Rob

Rob,

I don't yet do Apple Pay but I have an established PayPal account.

[ClipperFan]

12 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

 Rob

While he hasn't sent any pics yet, Mike's sure that not only on Glory of the Seas but also on Flying Cloud all mooring bits were rectangular wooden constructs with metallic trim. He says that's how he illustrated them on his 1997 plan view. I'm not going to wait for photographic confirmation. Instead I'm going to locate those ship's plans, correct my own and then submit everything to Nautical Research Journal. 

Meanwhile here's a beautiful illustration of a painting by Warren Sheppard from the first hand account of a sailor in his neat little book Knocking About in Old Clipper Ships.

 

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all,

It's done! I just emailed the article and appendix to Paul E. Fortenoy, Editor Nautical Research Journal. I'll give updates as I get a response from him. Meanwhile, trusting Mike's last email, I revised the Glory of the Seas plan view to reflect that her mooring bits were actually wooden rectangles and not standard wrought iron as we first thought. Here's that revised illustration.

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, et all,

It's done! I just emailed the article and appendix to Paul E. Fortenoy, Editor Nautical Research Journal. I'll give updates as I get a response from him. Meanwhile, trusting Mike's last email, I revised the Glory of the Seas plan view to reflect that her mooring bits were actually wooden rectangles and not standard wrought iron as we first thought. Here's that revised illustration.

Interesting.    I still want to see pics. 
 

Glad you got her all sent out.  Can’t wait.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Spend some time today working on the fore lower topsail.  
 

Rob

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

Started the upper topsail yard. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, Druxey, Banyan, et all,

Here for everyone to read is my manuscript and Appendix I as submitted today to Paul E. Fontenoy, Editor of the Nautical Research Journal. How or if it will be published in the Winter 2022 issue is yet to be decided. However, having never attempted anything like this before, it's thrilling just to have gotten this far. I want to publicly acknowledge the invaluable assistance of Druxey my silent, behind the scenes editor. He very patiently waded through my raw manuscript and especially when it came to my notorious penchant for "run-on" sentences, expertly guided me through the process of wrestling them under control. Anyone familiar with the brilliant tv show CSI will recognize this analogy. When I first received the initial revised manuscript back, there were so many red lines, it immediately reminded me of a bloody scene from that investigative procedural. Ha, ha! Unfortunately, time ran out before I could implement every single one of Druxey's insightful recommendations. However, meeting the July 1st deadline was of paramount importance and I felt that as written and illustrated, it was sufficiently ready to send it in. Anyways, knowing to some degree the restrictive nature of publications, I felt this group would appreciate seeing the entire manuscript, as submitted.

05-06-22 Reconstructing McKay Clipper 'Glory of the Seas' - Appendix I final.docx Reconstructing McKay Clipper 'Glory of the Seas' REV DA5 REV.docx