Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[rwiederrich]

Oh well…….I couldn’t wait…….so I had to fix the martingale.  Here it is cut down two ft. and re rigged.   Only took about an hour and a half.   I feel better. 
 

Rob

Edited September 15, 2022 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

Comparative.  

[michael mott]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Oh well…….I couldn’t wait…….so I had to fix the martingale.  Here it is cut down two ft. and re rigged.   Only took about an hour and a half.   I feel better. 
 

Rob

Rob this looks sterling!

[BANYAN]

Ditto, I have several of these to correct Rob; good to see you not taking the 'that'l do' path.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

59 minutes ago, michael mott said:

Rob this looks sterling!

Thanks Michael.   I appreciate that. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

28 minutes ago, BANYAN said:

Ditto, I have several of these to correct Rob; good to see you not taking the 'that'l do' path.

 

cheers

 

Pat

I wrestled with the ‘that’l do’ monster……but I had to slay it.  I feel so much better that I corrected the error.  Two down.   
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob,

And here I was thinking all along that you intentionally made it a little longer so that it could demonstrate a "real dolphin striker!"

[rwiederrich]

17 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob,

And here I was thinking all along that you intentionally made it a little longer so that it could demonstrate a "real dolphin striker!"

You didn’t think such a thing……😏…You, of all of my critics, would have pointed out the error as soon as you identified it. An act you proudly Commit, as you relish in keeping with preserving  her accuracy.    Dolphin striker my……….  You wouldn’t let me intentionally inaccurately misrepresent anything on Glory.  🧐. You’re my official “fact checker”…..my authenticator……….the, *oh you messed that thing up*, got my back kinda guy.

Short of one or two things I’m just too selfishly bullheaded over, that we’ve already discussed…….you’re my, *keep your nose to the grindstone*, and *keep it right* advisor.  
 

I know you secretly knew the martingale was outa proportion.  Why you didn’t pistol whip me earlier is a mystery.  Must be that kind heart residing in your chest.  🥰
 

NOW…….I can get back to the rat lines.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

A new image from Mike.  
 

Looks like this was Taken after her mast reduction.  

Edited September 16, 2022 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

On 9/16/2022 at 1:07 AM, rwiederrich said:

A new image from Mike.  
 

Looks like this was Taken after her mast reduction.  

Rob,

Based on the 1909  date on the right 

On 9/16/2022 at 1:07 AM, rwiederrich said:

A new image from Mike.  
 

Looks like this was Taken after her mast reduction.  

Rob,

Based on the 1909 date written on the right border, I believe she's had the height of her masts cut down at least twice by then. Her moonsail yard on her main mast is gone and it almost looks like her foremast is now higher than her main. It also appears like keel hogging has increased the height of her prow and reduced the rake of her prow. To see these changes easier, I lightened up the photo a little. 

[KeithAug]

On 9/15/2022 at 11:32 PM, rwiederrich said:

Oh well…….I couldn’t wait…….so I had to fix the martingale.

It is really annoying when you discover something that looks wrong and have to get it fixed "immediately". I think it is the perfectionistic gene taking control. A common problem among MSW builders I observe.

[druxey]

Well done for making the correction! The dolphins thank you as well.

[rwiederrich]

7 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob,

Based on the 1909  date on the right 

Rob,

Based on the 1909 date written on the right border, I believe she's had the height of her masts cut down at least twice by then. Her moonsail yard on her main mast is gone and it almost looks like her foremast is now higher than her main. It also appears like keel hogging has increased the height of her prow and reduced the rake of her prow. To see these changes easier, I lightened up the photo a little. 

I think this is during the time she was brought back into service to serve as a troop transport.  She surely is not as lofty as during the time period I’m modeling her.   She’s riding high in the water too.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob,

In his latest email, Mike said a sailor, William Joseph who served on Glory of the Seas in 1880, modeled her with red pump wheels. This is not meant to tell you what color to paint your pump wheel, just sharing what Mike told me. I thought you would appreciate knowing.

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob,

In his latest email, Mike said a sailor, William Joseph who served on Glory of the Seas in 1880, modeled her with red pump wheels. This is not meant to tell you what color to paint your pump wheel, just sharing what Mike told me. I thought you would appreciate knowing.

No problem Rich.  I fully appreciate your research.  I read that myself and wondered about it.  I chose not to paint them, based on, I could not find any corroborating evidence myself.   Plus it was after the time period, I am building my Glory.  So there is enough speculation and uncertainty, to disregard conclusively, that red was it’s color during my time period. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob,

That's exactly what I was thinking too. The 1880s are a few years after the time period you're modeling.

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir et all,

I just stumbled on some beautiful close-ups of Lloyd McCaffery's impressive "Glory" carving of Glory of the Seas" classic Grecian Goddess 'Athena' figurehead, found in my wife's phone. As it turned out, my phone's battery was low, so I borrowed Peg's and took these beautiful, sharp images. Which I then forgot were even in her cell phone. Vladimir, these should be a perfect resource to aiding you in recreating your own figurehead.

Edited September 20, 2022 by ClipperFan
additional image

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

9 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir et all,

I just stumbled on some beautiful close-ups of Lloyd McCaffery's impressive "Glory" carving of Glory of the Seas" classic Grecian Goddess 'Athena' figurehead, found in my wife's phone. As it turned out, my phone's battery was low, so I borrowed Peg's and took these beautiful, sharp images. Which I then forgot were even in her cell phone. Vladimir, these should be a perfect resource to aiding you in recreating your own figurehead.

Thanks Rich. astounding. you know that perfect figurehead is my ultimate goal by at the same time its beyond my capacity so im patiently waiting to find a way ho to get it materialised. im redoing fcastle at least but weather is still not enough gloomy to get me start working properly.  and time is so scarce. but its coming. V. 

[rwiederrich]

Its a wonderful carving and it took great skill.....I have nothing but respect for the carver....but.....(In all aspects), she's has a very disproportional body.  I'm sorry to say.

 

I posted updates last night, but somehow my post never materialized.  I finished up the starboard shrouds/ratlines and added the fairleads and ran all the buntlines and belayed them.

I'll repost those images when I get home.

 

Rob

Edited September 21, 2022 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

11 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Thanks Rich. astounding. you know that perfect figurehead is my ultimate goal by at the same time its beyond my capacity so im patiently waiting to find a way ho to get it materialised. im redoing fcastle at least but weather is still not enough gloomy to get me start working properly.  and time is so scarce. but its coming. V. 

Vladimir,

Doris is a lady who creates phenomenal lifelike sculptures with a form of sculpey clay for her incredible cardboard based sailing ships. Her 1600s Sovereign of the Seas is my personal favorite. She even gives tutorials on her sculpturing process. An advantage to her approach is that the figures are created larger than intended, as they shrink in the heating process. She's on this site with her own dedicated posts.

[rwiederrich]

Worked on finishing up the starboard shrouds and ratlines.  Then I rigged the bunt lines through their fair leads and to belay pins.  Still need to add road coils. 
 

Next will be to rig the gin block lifts and their purchases…..before I begin the backstays. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Finished rigging the halliards and their purchases.  And added some rope coils.  Things are getting pretty complex and busy. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Couple waterline pics for perspective. 
 

Rob

[BANYAN]

Rob, your model of GoS is looking great, and a pleasure to follow the updates.  I have just noticed though, that you have used chain for the boat gripes; I am assuming this is as per research you have conducted.  As the chain will have been pretty hard on the boat planking surfaces, and planks themselves, it may have been used in combination with wooden pad pieces to keep the chains off the planking, and/or leather (or other) Scotchmen (anti-chafing mats/pieces)?  I admit not looking back through the log, so I apologise if I have raised something you have already discussed?  For the purposes of modelling, however, what you present serves the purposes of how and what was used.  Only raised as FYI.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, BANYAN said:

Rob, your model of GoS is looking great, and a pleasure to follow the updates.  I have just noticed though, that you have used chain for the boat gripes; I am assuming this is as per research you have conducted.  As the chain will have been pretty hard on the boat planking surfaces, and planks themselves, it may have been used in combination with wooden pad pieces to keep the chains off the planking, and/or leather (or other) Scotchmen (anti-chafing mats/pieces)?  I admit not looking back through the log, so I apologise if I have raised something you have already discussed?  For the purposes of modelling, however, what you present serves the purposes of how and what was used.  Only raised as FYI.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Pat , good observation.  Those chains would most likely be encased in a canvas sleeve. 
 

I tried several attempts, but none were acceptable or truly convincing, so I opted to leave the chain virgin.  Knowing the issue was an extremely minor one.  
 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

11 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Couple waterline pics for perspective. 
 

Rob

Now, thats quite something Rob. just wow. 

[MrBlueJacket]

10 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Pat , good observation.  Those chains would most likely be encased in a canvas sleeve. 
 

I tried several attempts, but none were acceptable or truly convincing, so I opted to leave the chain virgin.  Knowing the issue was an extremely minor one.  
 

Rob

Hi Rob,

 

Check post #204 for leather simulation.

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19500-red-jacket-by-mrbluejacket-finished-bluejacket-shipcrafters-scale-18-1-196/page/7/

 

Nic

[rwiederrich]

5 hours ago, MrBlueJacket said:

Hi Rob,

 

Check post #204 for leather simulation.

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19500-red-jacket-by-mrbluejacket-finished-bluejacket-shipcrafters-scale-18-1-196/page/7/

 

Nic

Thanks Nic.  That would have worked.  I also recall EDT using tissue paper.   I just didn’t like how the paper I used, crinkled as it folded around the hull, unlike your straight example on the stays.  So I simply “opted out”.

 

Rob

 

 

[rwiederrich]

Spent some time working the fore main yard. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Now the real work comes….. adding the bunt lines, rigging and belaying them , along with all the other rigging.  Need to finish the starboard lift and lower topsail sheet. 
 

Rob