Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, Snug Harbor Johnny said:

  'So very fascinating, I tip my hat.  Is copper tape stock available in places like Hobby Lobby?  Did you use a fine watch gear to make the tiny dimpling?

Check out my images of the process in my Great Republic build log...I describe it well there.  Thanks for the fine compliment.

Personally, I bought my copper tape on line...but Hobby Lobby might just have it.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

7 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Check out my images of the process in my Great Republic build log...I describe it well there.  Thanks for the fine compliment.

Personally, I bought my copper tape on line...but Hobby Lobby might just have it.

 

Rob

When I get home from work I will take some pics of my set-up and how I make the plates from copper tape.

 

I never actually showed the mechanism or the process...though I talked about it extensively.

 

I just want the process to be clear for everyone.  Images help........

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

My original Revell Conversion version was built to those specs.  However,  I'm building her as she appears in that San Francisco image...with all the mods to her houses and rigging.  She was NOT shinny and new at that point.  So to make her so would be an inaccurate representation of her at that point.

 

If one wishes to make her all shinny and new in her later configurations....they would be taking extreme artistic license in doing so.  That is my view anyway.  If we want to be accurate in one aspect....that needs to transcend into her esthetics as well.

 

Rob

Rob, apparently my preference for an 1869 version of "GLORY of the SEAS" wasn't specified clearly enough. Of course it would be grossly unfaithful to reality to not weather her after many years at Sea as she clearly rests in the 1877 (?) San Francisco dock scene. 

I was referring to what an incredibly beautiful spectacle she was when her Muntz metal had that impressive, untarnished golden hue contrasted with her satin jet black hull polished as smooth as glass, her freshly applied 24 kt. gold leaf carvings and her lovely Grecian Goddess 'Athene' in glorious white, maybe some thin gold trim to highlight her gown. The way she must have looked when first launched. I personally feel the dramatic contrast between the two distinctly different time periods would demonstrate that as impressive as she was, in the end she was still a working vessel. I hope this clears up any confusion.

[rwiederrich]

13 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, apparently my preference for an 1869 version of "GLORY of the SEAS" wasn't specified clearly enough. Of course it would be grossly unfaithful to reality to not weather her after many years at Sea as she clearly rests in the 1877 (?) San Francisco dock scene. 

I was referring to what an incredibly beautiful spectacle she was when her Muntz metal had that impressive, untarnished golden hue contrasted with her satin jet black hull polished as smooth as glass, her freshly applied 24 kt. gold leaf carvings and her lovely Grecian Goddess 'Athene' in glorious white, maybe some thin gold trim to highlight her gown. The way she must have looked when first launched. I personally feel the dramatic contrast between the two distinctly different time periods would demonstrate that as impressive as she was, in the end she was still a working vessel. I hope this clears up any confusion.

I dug your rap...my mama don't raise no dummies........

 

I agree with you completely.  I was side tracked thinking you wanted MY version to have brand new characteristics of her launching.

 

Personally...I think Vlad is going the new look and of course I'm going...*been round the horn a dozen times* look.

 

Irregardless ...her hull contours did not change (cept for some aging hogging)....she still is a beautiful well crafted model....from either era.

 

God your back bro....

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Here are some pics of the process..

 

First I cut the tape to length....then feed it into the wire mesh and below the drywall sanding mesh

 

Then all that is next is to run it through the roller and there you have nice embossed plates on copper tape.  With individual plates and their simulated nail prints.

 

Here is the roller and material

[rwiederrich]

Next I feed the tape into the wire mesh and under the sanding mesh.

[rwiederrich]

Then roll it on through and there you go...

 

Do this a couple dozen times and you will have ample tape/plates to do a lot of plating....

 

Enjoy.

 

Rob

[gak1965]

10 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

 Someone once said that a modeler who weathers his model is after effect...while a modeler who models clean spotless models is showing off their skill and prowess as a modeler.

 

Though this notion appears to be on line...IMV it takes more skill to accurately weather a model and not over due it then to simply leave it un touched in an out of the box state.

 

At the risk of getting philosophical, I tend to subscribe to the latter view. I personally lack the skill to weather effectively, and suspect I may not be alone. 

 

I also suspect that there is an axis of artist vs. engineer. I lean engineer and love the look of just commissioned/fitted out. But I'm still going to try to change the copper to new Muntz on my Flying Fish. Doing some experiments with different color paints to get the right shade.

 

Regards,

George K

[ClipperFan]

4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I dug your rap...my mama don't raise no dummies........

 

I agree with you completely.  I was side tracked thinking you wanted MY version to have brand new characteristics of her launching.

 

Personally...I think Vlad is going the new look and of course I'm going...*been round the horn a dozen times* look.

 

Irregardless ...her hull contours did not change (cept for some aging hogging)....she still is a beautiful well crafted model....from either era.

 

God your back bro....

 

Rob

Rob, to paraphrase one of my all time favorite movie lines "What we had here was a failure to communicate!" First and foremost I hope I would never be so arrogant as to demand another modeler, you, Vladimir or anyone else to revise their construction in any way to suit my personal taste. How rude! As you said to me last year, why don't you build your own model the way you want it done. Thanks to Vladimir I at least have bulkheads to be able to eventually do so. 

I'm even more rueful that you got the totally incorrect impression about how I would want you to finish your vision of Glory. That's your choice alone. My God you've been pursuing this vision for a year now! As I've said on numerous occasions as far as I'm concerned, you're crafting the most accurate 1:96th scale reconstructed from scratch replica of "GLORY of the SEAS" as is Vladimir with his marvelous 1:72nd scale version. Personally, I can't wait to share both of your progress with Michael Mjelde. I think he will be blown away!

My entire focus from day one has been and still is to assist you, Vlad or anyone else interested in accurately building "GLORY of the SEAS" not by telling you what to do but in the spirit of true collaboration being able to arrive at the most precise recreation of this wonderful vessel. And I am humbled and honored to be a member of your group.....

 

[rwiederrich]

Rich…..I appreciate your candor and honesty.  I apologize if at any time I gave the impression I found what I thought to be a suggestion rude and intrusive on your part.   I assure you I have not.  I love your input and that of everyone here.    I hope I have not offended you or anyone.

[ClipperFan]

16 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Rich…..I appreciate your candor and honesty.  I apologize if at any time I gave the impression I found what I thought to be a suggestion rude and intrusive on your part.   I assure you I have not.  I love your input and that of everyone here.    I hope I have not offended you or anyone.

Rob, I am not offended in the least. I will try better to make it known about my theoretical preferences so that you, Vlad or anyone else know it's not my intention to interfere in your personal visions for the models you create.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

15 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Then roll it on through and there you go...

 

Do this a couple dozen times and you will have ample tape/plates to do a lot of plating....

 

Enjoy.

 

Rob

This is Wow Rob. vthanks for sharing these unique recipes with us. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

im starting up with bulwarks Gentlemen. need to order wood but...

do you know thickness of stanchions and how far they are from each other please? i cant find an info about that. 

Thanks a milion 

Vlad 

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, this is word for word, as taken from Seaways, Ships in Scale Jan/Feb 1992, Vol III, No 1 Michael Mjelde's article "Glory of the Seas - Medium Clipper Ship" an excerpt from Duncan MacLean's 1869 description of Glory's construction details:

 

"the floor timbers are sided 15 inches and moulded 20 inches on the keel with 28 inches space of frames from center to center, and as the frames ascend, they vary from 12 inches by 14 inches to eight inches by 11 inches, and the bulwark stanchions at the plank sheer are sided 11 inches and moulded 8 inches."

 

The way I interpret moulded vs sided is that the thicker dimension "sided" would be the part that makes up the backbone of the ship's ribs and "moulded" would be the visible width. So your visible stanchions would be 8" each, 28" apart center to center. Taking into account 1/2 of 8" is 4", your upper bulwark stanchions are 2' (24") apart.

 

Of course, Rob can correct me if I have these dimensions backwards.

 

 

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[Vladimir_Wairoa]

4 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, this is word for word, as taken from Seaways, Ships in Scale Jan/Feb 1992, Vol III, No 1 Michael Mjelde's article "Glory of the Seas - Medium Clipper Ship" an excerpt from Duncan MacLean's 1869 description of Glory's construction details:

 

"the floor timbers are sided 15 inches and moulded 20 inches on the keel with 28 inches space of frames from center to center, and as the frames ascend, they vary from 12 inches by 14 inches to eight inches by 11 inches, and the bulwark stanchions at the plank sheer are sided 11 inches and moulded 8 inches."

 

The way I interpret moulded vs sided is that the thicker dimension "sided" would be the part that makes up the backbone of the ship's ribs and "moulded" would be the visible width. So your visible stanchions would be 8" each, 28" apart center to center.

 

Of course, Rob can correct me if I have these dimensions backwards.

 

 

Much obliged Rich. i will chech photographs if those are square.  V. 

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[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

 

 

 

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Of course, Rob can correct me if I have these dimensions backwards.

You're right on track as far as I can see...good work.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Some more progress pics.  After this session I will head to the *Other* shop and make more plate strips.

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir,

Later today I plan to email Mike some progress pics of both of your models. What I think would be most impressive would be to try to capture angles of your Clippers that most recognizably match the many scenes Mike has shared with us. 

That way I'm hoping it will go a long way to convincing Ron Haug to seriously reconsider his Glory plans.

[rwiederrich]

1 minute ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir,

Later today I plan to email Mike some progress pics of both of your models. What I think would be most impressive would be to try to capture angles of your Clippers that most recognizably match the many scenes Mike has shared with us. 

That way I'm hoping it will go a long way to convincing Ron Haug to seriously reconsider his Glory plans.

Rich, I caught that when you first mentioned it to us and I really want to provide that image...I really want to finish the coppering first.  do you require an image quickly to accompany your email?  I can do that now if you wish...but half of the model (Her photogenic side) is covered in masking tape.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

21 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Rich, I caught that when you first mentioned it to us and I really want to provide that image...I really want to finish the coppering first.  do you require an image quickly to accompany your email?  I can do that now if you wish...but half of the model (Her photogenic side) is covered in masking tape.

 

Rob

Rob,

Since I have haven't replied to his request for a couple days now, I want to send him something. Don't worry, you've already shared enough progress pics that I can work with what's already been posted. That goes for Vladimir too. I was just thinking if you had the chance you could shoot maybe a couple more. Either way, I'm very confident Mike is going to be major impressed with both of your projects.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

24 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob,

Since I have haven't replied to his request for a couple days now, I want to send him something. Don't worry, you've already shared enough progress pics that I can work with what's already been posted. That goes for Vladimir too. I was just thinking if you had the chance you could shoot maybe a couple more. Either way, I'm very confident Mike is going to be major impressed with both of your projects.

Rich i wont have more next week than just sanded hull smoothly without rails...if thats enough. i ordered wood for bulkheads just about now... Than from there  i will try to finish bulwarks...and later coppering and rails with laser cut samples of ornamentation and nameplate and that would end this yea of actual working on model for me for now. i will go back to computer looking at cabins and elarning things from Rob in that regard. V. 

[ClipperFan]

Guys, no pressure. Mike simply wants to see some progress photos. I think I've maybe complicated this issue way too much. For that, I apologize.  

[rwiederrich]

Finished up the copper and painted it the metalic....

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, 

You guys can both relax. I sent Mike 2 emails. The first has a dozen images of Rob's earlier progress on his vessel. The second has a dozen pics of Vladimir's progress. I'm expecting Mike will be suitably impressed with both of your models. I wanted to send him a 3rd with pics on how we developed our plans but I was too tired. The last damn side effect of my procedure. It's how I'm forced to realize I've still recovering.

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Finished up the copper and painted it the metalic....

Rob, beautiful work as always. This vessel is definitely "GLORY of the SEAS!"

[dvm27]

That's a very fine and realistic looking coppering job Rob!

[BANYAN]

Rob, this is very impressive.  I am sitting back and monitoring/watching as there is not much I can contribute to this fabulous build - you guys seem to be all over the research and you are doing a fine job with the model.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

On 7/31/2021 at 7:30 PM, dvm27 said:

That's a very fine and realistic looking coppering job Rob!

Thanks Greg.  I think the metallic paint tones down the shinny aspect and directs the color more toward an oxidized brown muntz

 

Rob 

[rwiederrich]

11 hours ago, BANYAN said:

Rob, this is very impressive.  I am sitting back and monitoring/watching as there is not much I can contribute to this fabulous build - you guys seem to be all over the research and you are doing a fine job with the model.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Thanks Pat....I'm thinking I'll probably not be as clean and beautiful as your Victoria...but I appreciate the fine comment.

For informational purposes...I put in 13 hours of total work time into coppering and painting the hull.

 

I will repair any weathering damaged by the masking tape after I install the channels and chainplates.

I think I'll add the topgallant rail and spray board first to finish off the upper rail, so working it won't interfere with the channel work.  Somewhere in that I will finish the rudder and her hardware.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

 Here are some  comparative shots for you Rich

Edited August 3, 2021 by rwiederrich