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2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, from all the photographic evidence we have, none show any belaying pins inserted into any of Glory's rails. To the contrary, all images available so far, including this latest broadside prove that all rails even on her large rear house were solely used as rails and nothing else. Your idea of creating internal shroud mounted belaying pins must be the logical workable alternative.

I concur.  Shroud pin rails are very typical in such limited situations.  I'll go that route...thanks for the validation.

 

Rob

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

:) She was mighty gal, wasnt IT. Probably best thing i could do was to get to study rigging properly AS i am now to understand every bit that there IS. I was foolishly thinking watching plán of flying fish would do not even knowing of Howse rig. Gosh how baad . :)Its opening a new perspectives fór calculating and planming ahead what i Wish glory to look like and choices there are plenty. Either how much of roping mess i want or i am able to tackle however, Rob must laugh as in my scale there Will be plenty of space :) whether fór her  to be Without sails -  rigging IS set quite little differently, or All furled, or partially set meaning with Few sails unrolled. Amazing cinsiderations to plan think and to make. I Now even understand why damn main course yard IS Narrowed - fór loading :)😉 you see ?  Few more years and i Will reach some rank of newcomer sailor :D so plenty to learn every day :)

Yes Vlad...I've been studying clipper rigging for over 45 years...don't beat yourself up....it is a growing learning thing.....and once you see how standard rigging works...you will feel more comfortable with it.

 

Rob

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Yes Vlad...I've been studying clipper rigging for over 45 years...don't beat yourself up....it is a growing learning thing.....and once you see how standard rigging works...you will feel more comfortable with it.

 

Rob

Thanks Rob. Actually There IS one thing i Wish to ask from rigging working perspectives im not quite sure about. What  standing rigging of upper yards IS fór? Topgallant and royal. I mean, yard arms  are fixed to from three vectors an moved Up Down by haliards fixed in center on brace. What fór IS firm standing rigging from cross tree to both arms   when yard IS movable vertically  Up and Down on masť? Strange to me to be honest. Picture would be Better but im sure you know what i mean. Strange enough nor course neither topsail jas it... its additional support for more fragile thinner spars at the top of the ship where IT IS All more fragile and prone to  break? Thanks. V. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

hanks Rob. Actually There IS one thing i Wish to ask from rigging working perspectives im not quite sure about. What  standing rigging of upper yards IS fór?

The lifts are standing rigging...accept on the main yard lifts.  When the yards are raised via their haulyards...the lifts are slung and go slack.

 

Look at the black line on my mizzen mast and you'll see the difference.

 

Rob

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Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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Rob said: "No image I have shows clearly the belay points for the sheets and bunt lines and since the mizzen lacks a proper fife rail(short of the spider band)....I can only imagine that the rail was used as a pin rail......"

 

Rob, if it is anything to go by, the 'Victoria' had the same issues.  Her Contract specifically required a spider band to the Mizen, two sheet bitts (no cross-piece (fife rail) and a photograph I have shows mizen pin rails on her after cap/roughtree rails.  Also, some of the rigging that ran aft on the other masts, ran forward, using blocks on the after crosstrees of those masts, thence to the deck, for the mizen running rigging.

 

cheers

 

Pat

 

edit:  Also, most of the authors of this time (and more recent times ) agree that sheet jeer bitts were fitted for the mizen.

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2 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

thanks much Rob going to check it. V. 

Do. 
 

I’ve begun the head gear. 
 

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A bit more work on the starboard side…..now to the port. 
 

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Finished up the chain head gear.  Now onto the martingale and stays.  
 

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Just a reminder...the figurehead is only 7/8" long.  Here is a comparison to the prototype.   image.thumb.png.f60a6dd4700ca019cc0cb257b822f203.pngimage.png.11a28de062f6c95020bd04931416be44.png

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4 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Guilty pleasures Rob. :) Fabulous photos. You fly now... Keep them coming. Impressive stuff atvthat scale. I call this  jewellery. After She was dressed properly She IS getting earrings necklacess and suff to go dancing soon...:) 

Gonna start the bowsprit stays and all the padeyes that secure them to the catheads and sprit.  My version of Glory will be incorporating a bowsprit boom....an addition during her rigging upgrade that your version does not have.

 

The martingale will also be worked up...that will include the chain stays and their hardware.

 

Rob

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Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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4 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Guilty pleasures Rob. :) Fabulous photos. You fly now... Keep them coming. Impressive stuff atvthat scale. I call this  jewellery. After She was dressed properly She IS getting earrings necklacess and suff to go dancing soon...:) 

Vladimir, since your model is 1:72nd scale, a 90" figurehead at scale is 1&1/4", just slightly larger than 7/8".

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Rob, your latest series of Starboard and Port Bow headgear rigging photos really demonstrate how beautiful and accurate your model is. It also reveals how meticulously our combined research really has been. I'm looking forward to seeing the completion of this portion of your build, especially bobstay and spreader.

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Very beautiful work. When sculpting a figure for the Vic (in software) I almost lost the will to live, trying to get the proportions right and gave up in the end. You've done an amazing job here.

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Very nice work on the bow rigging Rob; looks great!  How did you make the iron plates on the hull for the bowsprit guys/shrouds.  I have been contemplating various options for a while including a simple strap cur to length and a hole put in one end.

 

cheers

 

Pat

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5 hours ago, Kevin-the-lubber said:

Very beautiful work. When sculpting a figure for the Vic (in software) I almost lost the will to live, trying to get the proportions right and gave up in the end. You've done an amazing job here.

Carving figures has never been my strong suit, but I worked this till I felt it was as good as I could get.  She’s still wrought with errors.  Thanks for the fine compliment. 
 

Rob

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

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Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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3 hours ago, BANYAN said:

Very nice work on the bow rigging Rob; looks great!  How did you make the iron plates on the hull for the bowsprit guys/shrouds.  I have been contemplating various options for a while including a simple strap cur to length and a hole put in one end.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Pat,  I used copper plate cut to scale and then drill a hole for the pad eye…….then painted and weathered.  
 

Rob

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Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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Spent some time working the head gear and martingale. 
 

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Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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5 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Carving figures has never been my strong suit, but I worked this till I felt it was as good as I could get.  She’s still wrought with errors.  Thanks for the fine compliment. 
 

Rob

You are still humble and hard on yourself that you shouldnt. It is beyond my comprehension how for gods sake you could elaborate even face details like eyes nose lips proportionally but there is also glipm of gesture. im sure you worked under magnifying glass but. i have cutty sark figure of revell in 1:96 and it is pure crap comparing to this . i can tell you. everybodys praise is well deserved. 

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6 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

You are still humble and hard on yourself that you shouldnt. It is beyond my comprehension how for gods sake you could elaborate even face details like eyes nose lips proportionally but there is also glipm of gesture. im sure you worked under magnifying glass but. i have cutty sark figure of revell in 1:96 and it is pure crap comparing to this . i can tell you. everybodys praise is well deserved. 

I am so fortunate to possess a set of extremely micro tipped dental burs..they are probably 10,000 of an inch....made for extreme detail and micro work.

 

I also made a 7/8" Donald McKay figurehead for my Donald McKay clipper diorama(you see her now and again up on the shelf of my shop).  I have a poor image of him.  He's fully painted.            

 

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Lots of errors...but still a likeness

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

I am so fortunate to possess a set of extremely micro tipped dental burs..they are probably 10,000 of an inch....made for extreme detail and micro work.

 

I also made a 7/8" Donald McKay figurehead for my Donald McKay clipper diorama(you see her now and again up on the shelf of my shop).  I have a poor image of him.  He's fully painted.            

 

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Lots of errors...but still a likeness

Rob, nobody's going to confuse your "Wee Scottish Laddie" for Davey Crockett!

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4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I am so fortunate to possess a set of extremely micro tipped dental burs..they are probably 10,000 of an inch....made for extreme detail and micro work.

 

I also made a 7/8" Donald McKay figurehead for my Donald McKay clipper diorama(you see her now and again up on the shelf of my shop).  I have a poor image of him.  He's fully painted.            

 

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Lots of errors...but still a likeness

Its Beautiful. 

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Rob, actually besides the lower tilt of his head and lower position of your figurehead's left arm, the rest of him is very accurate, including authentic paint job. I read that the McKay's original figurehead was lost at sea. This replica was carved by the Ship's Carpenter as a replacement at sea. Knowing how complex a project it is to create a 7' likeness, it's a fair bet that the original artwork, especially if sculpted by Mason was far more refined.  

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8 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, actually besides the lower tilt of his head and lower position of your figurehead's left arm, the rest of him is very accurate, including authentic paint job. I read that the McKay's original figurehead was lost at sea. This replica was carved by the Ship's Carpenter as a replacement at sea. Knowing how complex a project it is to create a 7' likeness, it's a fair bet that the original artwork, especially if sculpted by Mason was far more refined.  

Yes..its history is varied.  At one point the figurehead spent time in a farmers field before finding its way to Seaport.

 

I didn't have either one of these images at the time when I carved him.

 

 

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Rob

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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Finished up the chain guys.  
 

The rope guys are part of the stays, so they’ll get added when I reach that point. 
 

Next is the spreader just aft of the cap.  I won’t rig the guy’s so as not to make things tough for the jib stays.  
 

Rob

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Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Yes..its history is varied.  At one point the figurehead spent time in a farmers field before finding its way to Seaport.

 

I didn't have either one of these images at the time when I carved him.

 

 

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Rob

Rob, not having either of these beautiful figurehead images, how on earth did you come so close to them? I'm even more impressed with your capabilities now!

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1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Finished up the chain guys.  
 

The rope guys are part of the stays, so they’ll get added when I reach that point. 
 

Next is the spreader just aft of the cap.  I won’t rig the guy’s so as not to make things tough for the jib stays.  
 

Rob

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Rob, at the risk of sounding seriously redundant, I just want to once again acknowledge how meticulously accurate your scratch built model is to "GLORY of the SEAS" herself. It's remarkable how even the bowsprit's angle matches the one in the picture behind. Well done, sir. Well done indeed.

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3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, not having either of these beautiful figurehead images, how on earth did you come so close to them? I'm even more impressed with your capabilities now!

Actually, I had another image that is not on my phone.  It was a side shot of the clansman from mystics original mounted collection.   I have it somewhere ……just didn’t place his left arm correctly and his head isn’t aiming back far enough.  
 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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