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This will be my second model. I built the Lowell Grand Banks Dory First. I have not built any models in many years and wanted to start with something simple. The instructions for the Dory were great. i hope it goes as well for the Pram.

 

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Every thing was present on an inventory of the Kit.  It was a bit difficult sanding the bevels on the different edges (faces? or some other term I don't know)  of the bow transom. The pictures in the manual show the transom being sanded with a big fat sanding stick. That did not work so well as each edge is pretty small. I made some thin ones-- and that worked much better. The scribed  lines are thin and the edges are pretty small. I found it much easier to see what I was doing with some head mounted magnifiers that were left over from soldering surface mount electronic components in the past. These things are  are my new best friends!

 

 

 

 

 

 Building the board for the molds was straight forward. The tabs on them need a bit of sanding to be fully seated int the slots. 

 

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I tried to use steam to bend the keel plank but it did not seem to work.  I am not sure how long you hold the plank  over the steam to get it to bend. The manual says its possible to use a thermostatically controlled soldering iron. I have one of those but was not sure how hot it should be and I was afraid to use it. I finally  used the same technique that worked well on the Dory and just soaked it in hot water for 5 minutes and used rubber bands to gently bend the plank  to the molds.  I am going to let it dry out and rest overnight. 

 

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Apologies for my photography, and any mistakes uploading the images, This is my first time trying this and I'm not sure I am doing it correctly

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

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Posted

The Dory looks great and you are off to a good start on the pram.

 

Regarding posting issues....for some reason the last image you posted is the "HEIC" format (High efficiency image container), while the first four are all jpeg.   HEIC is an Apple image format that is not supported by the forum software, so the image does not show up in your post.  So whatever you did to take and post the first four images, keep doing that.  There are ways to convert the images, and there is a setting on the iPhone to tell it to use a more compatible format, if there is not some reason you want HEIC for other purposes.   Google "HEIC file" to learn more than you ever wanted to know about it.

- Gary

 

Current Build: Artesania Latina Sopwith Camel

Completed Builds: Blue Jacket America 1/48th  Annapolis Wherry

 

Posted

Thanks, Gary. I think I Exported the others out of the Photos App before I tried to upload them, but may not have done that with the last one. I will check next time. 

 

Dan

Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Today I sanded the bevels on the bottom planks, then soaked them and bent them, using the molds on the building board.The instructions say to let them dry overnight. I will behave my self and resist the temptation to wait a few hours and move on. It's cool and raining here today, and drying out may take a bit longer. 

 

I practiced cutting the rabbets needed for some of the other planks on a piece of scrap with a chisel blade . I need more practice!

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Gluing Bottom Planks to Transoms

 

This was more complicated than it looked in the instructions. I glued the bow without much trouble and let it dry. I spent a long time trying to fit the planks to the stern transom. I installed some wood scraps to keep the transom holder steady, but the transom was still wobbly an it  sits a bit  off the building board. (looks that way in some of the pictures in the instructions also). The planks tended to twist toward the midline. I broke the transom holder as I was trying to get it all to lined up and get the transom square with the board. Took a deep breath, and glued the holder back together. Bushed water on the planks and used rubber bands to get the planks to be a bit less twisted using just the transom to get the hieght and spacing correct as the they dried out for a a while. 

 

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The planks fit better in the slots in the transom  after they dried out. It still took a major rubber band party to get the stern transom level and in alignment with the molds, including rubber bands around the transom holder to keep it seated in the board and a bunch around the transom. Once it was finally  square, I lifted each plank enough to slip the glue under it with a paint brush.

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

It takes a bit of practice to learn to bend wood efficiently. Practie on scrap to gain confidence. If using an iron, wet the wood first and dial the temperature so that you hear a bit of a hiss (but not too much!) and not so hot as to begin to char the wood.

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Posted
On 12/13/2021 at 9:02 PM, DanB said:

Today I sanded the bevels on the bottom planks, then soaked them and bent them, using the molds on the building board.The instructions say to let them dry overnight. I will behave my self and resist the temptation to wait a few hours and move on. It's cool and raining here today, and drying out may take a bit longer. 

 

I practiced cutting the rabbets needed for some of the other planks on a piece of scrap with a chisel blade . I need more practice!

 

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A hair dryer helps to dry and set the wood from one impatient person to another.

 

Posted

Thanks very much to @turangi and @druxey for the wood bending suggestions! Today I glued the keel plank. Doing it in 2 stages as suggested in the instructions worked great. Shaped the bevels on the garboard planks. I am still practicing cutting rabbets one inch long on  the ends of pieces of scrap to try to get mine to look more like the ones in the instructions. I"m getting a bit better at it with more confidence with removing a bit at at time with the chisel blade.  I may try the hair dryer to help bend the garboard planks. 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Today I cut the overlap of the bottom planks and keel plank at the stern transom and sanded the slight overlaps  at the bow. I cut  the rabbets in the gar planks.  Used the chisel blade to remove a bit at a time and then  changed to a flat needle file and sanding sticks when I was getting close to the right depth. Mine are  as pretty as the example in the instructions, but the gains look ok at the transoms. Bent and glued in one side a bit a a time. I soaked the other one and tucked it under the rubber bands to bend it and then put  it to bed to dry overnight. 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

I noticed that the garboard plank I had glued in place was a bit off at the molds as the plank edge was not quite at the edge of the molds.  I used alcohol to unglue it so I could try get the edge of the plank lined up better.  It was not as awful as I thought would be, --just allowing  the alcohol time to work and taking the plank off a bit a at time. I was able to align the plank  better the second time . I glued down the other side and prepared the second planks.  I soaked one of them and put it to bed with lots of rubber bands.  

 

Lessons learned

- watch the alignment of both edges of the plank.

- since the plank is at an angle a small misalignment at the bow was much bigger at  the molds at the middle of the boat

- Ungluing using alcohol to correct a mistake was not as terrible as it thought it would be. I had a plank that was a bit off on the Dory and I was too worried about messing it up more  so I did not correct it. It came out OK-- but I know that plank is there!

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Today I was able to add the second planks next to the garboard planks and started preparing the sheer planks. I bent one and it is drying out on the molds overnight. 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Sheer Planks

 

These were not so difficult to bend, but it was tricky to align them with the curves scribed on the transoms, the little marks on the molds, and the scribed lines on the second planks. I was only able to get close and try and do about the same thing on both sides to keep it symmetrical. It is really a lot of fun though, watching as it gradually goes from transoms and molds on a board to taking shape as a boat!

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Today I added the skeg and bilge keels. It takes a bit of looking at the pictures and estimating where things go. The pictures are great especially using the pdf and blowing them up fro my old eyes. There is a drawing in the instructions, but did not help much. 

 

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I built the case for the center board and installed the frames. The slot for the center board in the keel plank was too big. I moved it to the front of the slot and filled the back-- not sure that was correct. There is a guide in the manual to position the first 2 frames from the front of the center board. For the third frame, the pictures blown up, show it a bit behind the back of the center board case, so I fit it in there.

Agree with @bobandlucy that letting the planks dry out overnight, or at least for a few hours on the mold was vey helpful in getting them to the right shape, I also used the a bit  of water on them and a hair dyer as suggested by @turangi as was gluing them in.

 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Very nice and clean looking.  This is going to turn out to be a very good build.

Ryland

 

Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society

            - Ship Model Society of New Jersey

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Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat

Completed Build - Medway Longboat

Posted
On 12/21/2021 at 8:10 PM, Ryland Craze said:

Very nice and clean looking.  This is going to turn out to be a very good build.

Thanks very much for your encouraging words!

Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

It's been busy for me past 2 days but I did manage to get the inwales bent, cut and glued in, and I also started working on the stern quarter knees. A bit at a time is OK with me. 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Earlier this week I was able to get the frames for the thwarts installed but it was a bit of guess work to get the heights so the thwarts were level. The instructions don't say to prepare them until later on< but sanded them down to check that the frames would work out as I installed them. I also trimmed the ends of the transoms. The instructions say to use a razor saw, but shaving off the excess wood with a knife blade worked fine and seemed to have much less potential for disaster. The instructions say to use a ⅜ inch round file to make the groove in the stern. The grove is about the size of the tapered end of the file, and I was worried it would get too big. I used needle files to get it close and then just used the tip of the ⅜ file at the end. 

 

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We were supposed to be in Seattle visiting my grandchildren, but the trip got cancelled because of Covid concerns, so I had more time to work on the Pram today.  I filled the hole in one of the mast step pieces with wood filler (only one is supposed to have a hole) before gluing them together. 

 

Cutting the holes in the inwales for the stay plates was a new adventure for me. I read in other's logs that the instructions are wrong about the size of the hole (one scale inch, not two)  I found the PE part for the plate, drilled the small hole in the inwale and then gradually enlarged it until the plate fit. The first one took a long time as I was worried I would make it too big or destroy the inwale.  I tired different ways of gradually enlarging the hole as I was not very comfortable with the small saw blade..  Ultimately working slowly and gently with the tip of the # !5 saw blade ,as the instructions suggested, worked the best. The second hole took a lot less time and was better centered in the inwale. 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

I had to do a lot of work to get the stern sheets and thwarts to fit in. There is a paper pattern marker in the manual that helps with stetting the distances of the frames but nothing that helps with the heights. I tried to use the pictures to gauge how high the frames should be. They wound up too high at the dagger board case and too low at the forward thwart. I had to unglue and reposition some of the pieces that support the thwarts..  My bow transom is also a bit off square-- too much movement on the building board during the planking I think. I am learning a lot from the instructions and from making and trying to correct mistakes. I think it's about ready to paint, but, I will spend a bit more time sanding first . 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Painting past few days. Added floor boards and thwarts today.IMG_1286.thumb.jpeg.eccca7da2464cca0ccbe55e5721449e2.jpeg

 

 

Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Tiller

Yesterday, I was able to make the tiller and the extension without destroying the pieces. i used the smaller brass rod for everything as i don't think it would have worked for me using the 1/16 rod, especially for the tiller extension.  ( The pictures in the manual look like the smaller rod is used on the extension but it does not say to change sizes.  I think it's a omission in the instructions) I left off the little cross piece at the end of the extension. Even with 1/32 rod, I think I would have destroyed the extension.

 

Stay Plates 

 Today I placed the stay plates in the inhwles. I found it really difficult, and it took much longer than I want to admit. The instructions say "a bolt is driven though the plate and inwale." and are not very clear about how to do it. The "bolt" is a cut off nail--- I think.

 

After much trial and error and not being able to get the nail though the plate not the firsts side, I think ( and I may be completely wrong) the process should be: 

 

- The stay plate has 2 holes, a large one at the top and a smaller one ( too small for the nail) at the bottom. The top is curved. 

- Use a broach (these things are great!) to enlarge the bottom hole in the plate until the nail passes through easily

- Make sure that the plate will pass easily though the hole in the inwale. Mine did not after painting and I needed to work on the holes more. 

-  Drill a hole in the center of the inwale (instructions say  #71 but  then needs to be enlarged  for the nail). 

- Cut the nail short enough  so it will not go though the sheer strake. Enlarge the hole in the side of the inwale  so the nail will go through it 

- Position the plate so the lower hole is even with the hole for the nail. Instructions suggest using a little CA to hold the nail in position and push it though-- this did not work for me, I had to wiggle the plate to line it up with the hole in the inwale and the nail head and then push it though .

- Add drops of CA to hold the nail and the plate. 

 

 

 

The stay plate  in the forward transom was easier: the broach was again really helpful in getting the hole in the tiny piece of brass tube clear so it would fit on the end of the eye bolt.  After chasing little bits of slippery flying brass, all afternoon they are finally on!  I did not trim the forward one yet as I did not want push my luck until the CA has had time to get good and hard 

 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Over the past few days I have been able to hang the rudder and make the stand. Making the mast is next. Instructions say to try making it twice, once form dowel and  also by planing a square piece of basswood to compare techniques. Will see how it goes....

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Mast

 

I made one mast using dowel and one built up using the  laser cut parts. It was easier to drill the holes in laser cut mast while it was still rectangular,  but I don't seem to have the  technique shaping in to a circular form with the plane right. My attempt wound up elliptical and too thin as I tired to get it rounder. I am not sure what I did wrong.  It  was too small for the step at the bottom and would have needed paper wrapped around the bottom to make it big enough to fit the step. 

 

It was easier to keep the dowel round and taper it. It was not so difficult to drill the holes in the dowel  I just marked them carefully and used a point to make a start for the drill bit. The plan in the manual shows the mast and the boom and gaff a bit smaller than actual size, but the author does give the distances for the holes from the ends of the mast in the instructions. I think my dowel mast  is still a bit thick, but much closer to the plans.and I was worried about making it to small again. .  I am glad that the instructions said to try it both ways. I learned a lot and clearly need more practice planing a rectangle into a hexagonal shape.

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Boom, Gaff, Oars,  .

 

I've been working on these the past few day , It has still been challenging to get them round without sanding them away. 

 

The nails in the kit are a source of frustration. There should be 22 If I count correctly and they only suppled 18. The all need to be cut and then passed though holes int PE that are too small. The instructions say to drill out the PE but I found that very difficult, The nails  tend to fly all over the place and I needed more that 22!. Finally. I cheated and just left most of  them off.

 

I had no brown paint to paint the leathers on the oars, but using brown wrapping paper seemed to work OK. I painted it first with the MS acrylic satin finish and that made the paper darker.  Next step is to make the sail, which is definitely new territory for me.

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

Posted

Sail

 

Working on this today. Not too difficult so far. Letting it dry overnight. 

 

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Current Build:  Sultana 1:64

 

Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory

                       Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12

                      Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack

                      NRG 18th Century Merchantman Half Hull Project

 

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