HMS Revenge 1577 by GrandpaPhil - 1/64 - CARD - from Victory Models Plans

[GrandpaPhil]

In the near future, I will have to select a color scheme for the hull.

 

The Revenge will be painted that dingy white below the waterline, but I am trying to figure out what color to paint the main hull above the waterline, that will integrate with the friezes that were characteristic of the time period.

 

Does anyone have an idea of the color scheme, other than the decorative friezes, that an English galleon would have had in the late 16th century?

 

There is no way that the English would have left the hull bare wood.

 

Salt water is too corrosive and destructive, even on wood.

Edited June 13, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I believe they treated the wood with some sort of compound which did the trick, giving a brown color. I don’t know exactly what the elizabethans used. I have a book coming in the mail that might have the answer, but I’m sure someone around here knows. But probably just treated wood, dark brown and easy enough to simulate with cabinet paper. 
Wales seem to have been black but that could be extrapolating later practices inappropriately.  There’s a few helpful galleon buffs around here who can probably tell you all you want and more if you bug them about it. 
Happy scratch building!

-Meriadoc

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you very much!

 

That makes perfect sense.

 

In other news, I am enjoying this model enough that I just ordered myself the Sergal plan set for the Soleil Royal, from Cornwall Model Boats, for my birthday, so I can execute the same construction methodology that I am using with this model on the Soleil Royal.

 

That will be a fun build in the future!

I think that it will be a great build in 1/64 scale.

 

That will make for a 48” model.

Edited June 15, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[Louie da fly]

Colour schemes, specifically the colour of the unpainted timbers.

 

Matthew Baker, England, late 16th century.

The capture of Damietta, Dutch, c. 1629

Detail of the painting Expedition to the Third Islands 1583. Spanish - Royal Monastery of El Escorial. Work of Granello, Tavarón, Castello and Cambiasso.

 

 

galleon from a pilot's manual. Guillaume Brouscon, Le Conquet, France  1548

From a portolan by le Testu, French 1555

  

  

c. 1630 Tyresö, Stockholm Sweden 

Quite a range, particularly the le Testu pics. Whether these can be relied upon is of course anybody's guess - the artist may have just wanted to make the picture pretty, the colours may have faded etc etc. I'd say Baker's pic is likely to be pretty reliable; he shows two shades of brown - the upper could be the natural colour of oak, the lower might have been treated in some way, but who knows?

I don't know if this helps or just further confuses the issue.

 

Steven 

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you very much!

 

That was very helpful!

 

Matthew Baker designed and built the Revenge.

 

I will utilize that drawing for my basic color scheme.

[Mark P]

Good Afternoon Grandpa Phil;

 

As a further reason to have faith in Mathew Baker's picture, I can add that during my researches into ships of late Elizabethan and early Stuart period, I have come across frequent references to the sides of the ship being 'layed' [painted] 'into colours', that is, plural; more than one colour. A popular colour for the rails (which ones is never specified) seems to have been brown.

 

All the best,

 

Mark 

[GrandpaPhil]

I started cutting material for the first layer of planking.

 

I need 32 strips that are 1/4” wide.

 

That will get me through the first planking.

 

I installed all gunport sills already.

 

I have 10 strips cut so far.

Edited June 17, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[Louie da fly]

Are you allowing extra width for spiling the planks?

 

Steven

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

The nice part about not having a kit is you can spile the planks appropriately from the start. Or on the second layer. Or simply on the cabinet paper layer. 

Do you need to stabilize the frames with a thin paper layer like the Seahorse method?

 

-Meriadoc

Edited June 17, 2023 by Meriadoc Brandybuck

[GrandpaPhil]

The first layer will be a little rough, anyway.

 

I will try to utilize spiling on the first layer.

After I get the first layer done, I will be puttying and sanding to get a smooth surface for the second planking.

 

I am not planning on stabilizing with paper.  I will just be directly planking.

 

Edited June 18, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

All material is cut for the first planking:

We’ll see how this goes.

 

This is the first time I have tried conventional planking on a card model.

 

It should be noted that planking a model has never been my strong suit.

 

Once I have a hull, I am good.  It is just getting to that point which is my difficulty.

Edited June 18, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

The first planking is in progress:

 

And, my shipyard supervisor, Roland:

Edited June 18, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[Baker]

That's why this build is going so fast.
Each  morning an early wake up call by supervisor Roland 🤣

[GrandpaPhil]

Yes, Roland is a good rooster.

 

He crows in the morning after he hears me or my wife moving around.

 

If he crows any other time it is to let me know that something is wrong.

 

I’m working on the cradle right now to give Revenge a stable place to sit because the planking has progressed far enough that it needs a solid base now.

 

[GrandpaPhil]

Cradle test fit:

I’ll have to decide what color to paint it later.

Edited June 19, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

Starboard side is first planked except for stealers:

[GrandpaPhil]

Starboard first planking is complete:

[Thukydides]

You are making good progress. It is looking good.

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you very much!

 

One of the nice things about card is that there is no water or steaming involved, so it goes much quicker.

 

Plus, you just preshape the planks as you go.

 

Card has become one of my preferred ways to build.

 

The Prince de Neufchatel, which was my first card ship and scratch build, was one of those things in which I just wanted to see if I could do it.

 

Once I got the hull built, I realized that it wasn’t any different than any other ship model from that point on.

 

So, I kept rolling.

 

This is my fourth ship built in card, third scratch build, but the first one that involved building from plans for a wood model, and having to adjust accordingly.

Edited June 19, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[Louie da fly]

The shape of the hull is coming together nicely now. Looking good.

 

Steven

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Was that once a pikachu that has been rearranged in your planking strakes?

 

Meriadoc

[GrandpaPhil]

Thank you very much, Steven!

 

This is the hardest part for me, so I am pleased to see it shaping up.

 

Meriadoc,

It is a taco and is part of an oversized Valentine’s card that says, “Let’s taco about us”

 

I do resale on the side, and found a bunch of those obnoxiously oversized Valentine’s cards on a liquidation pallet.  

They were the perfect thickness (approximately 1 mm) and size (24” by 36”) for model making.

 

Needless to say, I promptly gave one to my wife (which she also promptly gave back to me to use for model making as it was too large to keep) and then put the rest of them in my model making supplies.

Edited June 21, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

Making progress on the port side:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Sounds like lots of love and tacos going into the planking, which proceeds at a breakneck pace if we’re comparing it to wood bending. 
 

Meriadoc

[GrandpaPhil]

Lol, yep.  Those cards were a good find for me.  I could not have resold them, so them being the right type and size of card for model making worked out really well.

 

Plus, we got the pallet right before Valentine’s Day (they were the 2022 Valentine’s cards, not the 2023 ones), so the timing worked out for the card giving to the wife, too, lol.

 

On a serious note, planking with card is much faster than planking with wood.  

Card works quicker and no heat or water is required.

 

Vertical planking actually seems to work much better, but I wanted to try conventional planking just to see how it played out.

 

I’ll give a full opinion after I see how it works out.

 

I should have made full filler blocks for the bow, but it is too late now.

 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[firdajan]

Looks very good, but I hope you will add another one layer of planking. I have four layers of paper planking on my ships, as the result the hull is 2 - 2,5 mm thick ( something like paper plywood )

Jan

Edited June 22, 2023 by firdajan

[GrandpaPhil]

Jan,

  Your models are very impressive.

 

I have learned a lot from them.
 

I will add a second layer of planking.

 

Once the first layer is done, the model will be getting a lot of putty and then sanded smooth, before being sealed, to give the second layer a solid base to adhere to.

 

The second layer will be 1mm card, with contact paper to give them a wood grain texture, cut into individual “planks”.

 

That will then be painted.

Edited June 22, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

I got my Soleil Royal plans today.

 

It will be built much like this model.

 

I now have 17 ship models in my stash, with 2 more in Ordinary.

 

I think I should stop adding to my stash now, at least until after I complete a couple more models, lol.

 

 

Edited June 24, 2023 by GrandpaPhil

[GrandpaPhil]

The first planking is done:

[GrandpaPhil]

The port side is puttied with spackle:

I used the color changing type and have it sitting under halogen lamps to force dry it.

 

I use this type from Lowe’s:

Drywall spackle works great for card ships.

 

It will sand with the card and makes for a smooth surface that you can seal and then adhere the second layer to.

 

This one will be different than my last two.

 

Those, I just added the contact paper to the first layer, and then painted.

 

This one, because of the intent behind the design of the plans, I am utilizing a full second planking.

Edited June 25, 2023 by GrandpaPhil