N80FTY Posted December 24, 2023 Share #1 Posted December 24, 2023 Hi All, This is my first build, I started it in April 2023. This is the stage it is at. Port side which has had its first sand 24/12/23. Not had any wood fillers applied yet so will need a touch up Starboard side that still needs its first sanding. Hull as you can see Port side has had its first sanding. Top View of middle deck which I stencilled all the floor rather than just a section. GrandpaPhil, BrochBoating, Thukydides and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 24, 2023 Share #2 Posted December 24, 2023 That is really not too shabby a planking job, especially for a first model -- and a difficult one as well. A lot of first-timers don't even get this far, so you're doing great! JeffT, SighingDutchman, Thukydides and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ccoyle said: That is really not too shabby a planking job, especially for a first model -- and a difficult one as well. A lot of first-timers don't even get this far, so you're doing great! Thanks Chris. Its only been sanded with a 60grit so far to get rid of the main discrepancies. Once I've added the top planking, (poop, quarter deck, waist, forecastle) and fitted the keel and ill give it a proper sanding. I was thinking a 320 grit. Would this be good enough or should I go finer. It will be a fully painted version. With either proper copper tiles if I can still get them or 6mm - (1/4") copper tape Sorry forgot to say ill fill the small imperfections with Deluxe Model Lite Balsa, as I've read its pretty good and wont add too much weight to the model Edited December 24, 2023 by N80FTY Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted December 25, 2023 Relatively progressive morning, finished the first hand job on the hull at 60grit. Was thinking of 320 grit when its ready for the final sanding. Or should I go higher up to 800 grit. Old Collingwood, GrandpaPhil and RossR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted December 25, 2023 Share #5 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) I thought I was the only one crazy enough to choose Victory for a first model, albeit 43 years ago. Nice work so far. With all the golf courses in your country I am not so sure I would ever have time to finish such a project. Allan Edited December 25, 2023 by allanyed Old Collingwood and Mr Whippy 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted December 25, 2023 Share #6 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, N80FTY said: I've played 37 of them. lol. Including St Andrews, Not to go off track on your model, but I hope you know how fortunate you are. If you are ever in SW Florida, give a ring, we have over 200 courses within our two local counties including my home course Panther Run. Lots of water and alligators to keep you entertained like this one on the 4th green. To get back on track, hope to see more pics on your model as you progress. Allan Edited December 25, 2023 by allanyed GrandpaPhil, CraigVT and Old Collingwood 2 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted December 29, 2023 So the past few days i have added the keel, and the sides to the poop, quarter, waist, and forecastle deck. So next stage i will likely get it ready for sanding and then add the gallery to prevent it from getting damaged. Old Collingwood, Mr Whippy and GrandpaPhil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #8 Posted December 29, 2023 I cut the upper false deck slots so its ready after sanding just to be installed. GrandpaPhil, Old Collingwood, Mr Whippy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share #9 Posted December 29, 2023 I went a bit over board last night. I'm not sure how visible the inside of the gallery is once built so i decided to do this just in case. Old Collingwood, Mr Whippy, JeffT and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snug Harbor Johnny Posted December 29, 2023 Share #10 Posted December 29, 2023 Since your building the Victory, 'though I'd post the image below. I've seen versions done with just the first sections of mast - a step beyond an admiralty model with stubs - and there is a suspended build of another ship I'll probably finish that way ... Old Collingwood, Mr Whippy and JeffT 3 Quote Completed builds: Khufu Solar Barge - 1:72 Woody Joe Current project(s): Gorch Fock restoration 1:100, Billing Wasa (bust) - 1:100 Billings, Great Harry (bust) 1:88 ex. Sergal 1:65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) So After another productive day, Here is the model after filling it with model lite filler and giving it a 320 grit sanding. Also if you look at the Port side 2nd top gun port it is 1.3mm or 3/64" taller than the rest which are 8.9mm-9.2mm or 11/32"-23/64" square. So I will fix this with 0.4mm or 1/64" lime as I have this available. Question. Should i give it a 800 grit sand or should this be ok as it is, Edited December 30, 2023 by N80FTY Gun port mistake noticed GrandpaPhil, William-Victory, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted December 31, 2023 Share #12 Posted December 31, 2023 I would, but in all honesty I doubt it's needed for a first planking. Looks great. Quote Simon. Current build HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Previous: Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre In the stash: HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted December 31, 2023 5 hours ago, BrochBoating said: I would, but in all honesty I doubt it's needed for a first planking. Looks great. This model only has this 2mm hull, so this is basically it. The hull will get copper tiles or if I cant get them ill use copper tape and simulate the tiles. I've seen the copper tape looks ok from pictures. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted December 31, 2023 Share #14 Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, N80FTY said: This model only has this 2mm hull, so this is basically it. The hull will get copper tiles or if I cant get them ill use copper tape and simulate the tiles. I've seen the copper tape looks ok from pictures. Ok in that case I definitely would. But I'd consider the final look/finish you're going to use and maybe do some tests with wood samples at different grits to see how they come up. High grit could end up lovely but could also be too 'new' if you see what I mean. Old Collingwood and Mr Whippy 2 Quote Simon. Current build HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Previous: Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre In the stash: HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share #15 Posted December 31, 2023 1 minute ago, BrochBoating said: Ok in that case I definitely would. But I'd consider the final look/finish you're going to use and maybe do some tests with wood samples at different grits to see how they come up. High grit could end up lovely but could also be too 'new' if you see what I mean. what do you mean by final look, and is it not supposed to look new once built. Old Collingwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted December 31, 2023 Share #16 Posted December 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, N80FTY said: what do you mean by final look, and is it not supposed to look new once built. It’s meant to look how you want it too 😊 so that could be very smooth and glassy or a slightly more worldly appearance from a lower grit. Again if you use any finish after like varnish, shellac or WOP that will effect it too. Experiment on samples (maybe make up a small set of frames so you can see over more than one plank) and see what you think. Old Collingwood and Mr Whippy 2 Quote Simon. Current build HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Previous: Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre In the stash: HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share #17 Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) Before i go any further and mess things up, Can anyone tell me if the angle i have is ok. If not i can take the glue of now and reposition. I have it at 15 degrees of vertical at the moment. but i have seen some further back and some nearly vertical. Edited January 1 by N80FTY Added extra picture, dry fit gallery sides for a better view Old Collingwood and JeffT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted January 1 Share #18 Posted January 1 Does this help? Old Collingwood 1 Quote Simon. Current build HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Previous: Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre In the stash: HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted January 1 Author Share #19 Posted January 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrochBoating said: Does this help? I would say yes definitely. What do you think. I couldn't have got it better if I tried. Edited January 1 by N80FTY Old Collingwood and BrochBoating 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted January 2 Share #20 Posted January 2 Pretty darn good I’d say. Old Collingwood and Knocklouder 2 Quote Simon. Current build HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Previous: Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre In the stash: HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted January 2 Share #21 Posted January 2 (edited) Victory is looking good! John McKay’s “The 100-Gun Ship Victory” of the Anatomy of the Ship series has been an invaluable reference to me in my Victory build. It has complete plans of the Victory. Copper tape works very well for me. They sell it for electricians cheaper than they do for modelers. I use that tape and a pounce wheel when I copper hulls. The pounce wheel is to make rivets. Edited January 5 by GrandpaPhil BrochBoating, mtaylor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted January 2 Author Share #22 Posted January 2 So the instruction state to use some old scraps, but I found this is visible through the window. So I used 1 mm ply I had and made it invisible. Pictures, Instructions, 1mm from window to the top of frame, my solution and dry fitted Old Collingwood, mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted January 2 Share #23 Posted January 2 This kit was my very first build I attempted in the shape of the monthly part works, I had a build log in here in the pre version of our site before the big collapse, think I was on it for about a year. Nice work so far. OC. mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted January 2 Author Share #24 Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Old Collingwood said: This kit was my very first build I attempted in the shape of the monthly part works, I had a build log in here in the pre version of our site before the big collapse, think I was on it for about a year. Nice work so far. OC. I've been on and off it for 8 months. This is all I've done so far. I need to really get the cannons, boats, anchors and so on done as well. But I want to do them as and when I get to a stage they are actually needed and get put in place permanently as I will end up losing them or damaging them. Old Collingwood, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted January 3 Author Share #25 Posted January 3 Added the gallery side windows. It needs a few touch ups where the window frames hit the hull. But this will likely get done after the whales are added. GrandpaPhil, Knocklouder, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted January 11 Author Share #26 Posted January 11 So, i have redone the middle wales after a troublesome weekend. There is a discrepancy of 0.3mm at the gallery end. I've added pictures to show this. My question here is do I just lower the starboard wale at the gallery to match, will this be noticeable or leave it as it is. GrandpaPhil, ccoyle, JeffT and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted January 11 Author Share #27 Posted January 11 (edited) 52 minutes ago, N80FTY said: So, i have redone the middle wales after a troublesome weekend. There is a discrepancy of 0.3mm at the gallery end. I've added pictures to show this. My question here is do I just lower the starboard wale at the gallery to match, will this be noticeable or leave it as it is. So after checking where the wale covers the last gunport, it looks like this is where the issue was. The internal overlap is now corrected and both have the same measurement. However there is still an issue. its got absaloutly nothing to do with the model. its the point of where im measuring from. Which i never thought about checking as its a 1" industrial work bench. i dont know if you can see it in the picture clearly so i got a straigt edge. What a numpty, (Scottish for idiot) So when rotating the model end to end this dip in the centre was projecting on the model. Not to worry too much though as i use my small portable table for measuring usually. Which is how i just found this issue. So outcome is simple. Dont forget to check your workstation is level, plum and dip/bow free. Edited January 11 by N80FTY picture change showing error JeffT, GrandpaPhil and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted January 11 Share #28 Posted January 11 (edited) Hi N80fty Hard to tell from the photos but the wales look to be a bit too thick. They should stand out above the thickstuff above and below the main wales only about 2 inches (0.02" - .6mm) and about 1.5" for the middle wales. They taper in thickness at the bow to pretty much match the thickness of the strakes of thickstuff above and below the wales so they can seat in the rabbet. The below is a cross section of Boyne, a 98 gun ship circa 1810, but looking at scantlings in Steel, 1805, they match up with a 110 gun first rate as well. Nothing some sanding can't fix if you are so inclined. Allan Edited January 11 by allanyed Old Collingwood 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N80FTY Posted January 11 Author Share #29 Posted January 11 (edited) 24 minutes ago, allanyed said: Hi N80fty Hard to tell from the photos but the wales look to be a bit too thick. They should stand out above the thickstuff above and below the main wales only about 2 inches (0.02" - .6mm) and about 1.5" for the middle wales. They taper in thickness at the bow to pretty much match the thickness of the strakes of thickstuff above and below the wales so they can seat in the rabbet. The below is a cross section of Boyne, a 98 gun ship circa 1810, but looking at scantlings in Steel, 1805, they match up with a 110 gun first rate as well. Nothing some sanding can't fix if you are so inclined. Allan Hi Allan, The wales that came with this are 5x1mm for centre and top wales. The Bottom wales are 3x1mm for trim and 5x2mm for the wale. Not as clear as i thought but you can see the 1mm on the middle wale. Also once i sand it smooth it will educe the thickness slightly Edited January 11 by N80FTY Knocklouder, Old Collingwood and JeffT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted January 11 Share #30 Posted January 11 (edited) 6 hours ago, N80FTY said: The Bottom wales are 3x1mm for trim and 5x2mm for the wale. Hi What do you mean by trim? The wales are as shown on the drawing above. You can see the relative thickness of the wales and the thick stuff above and below the wales. Thick stuff is what they actually called the planks next to the wales on contracts and scantlings from Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture and The Shipbuilder's Repository 1788. In reality they were top and butt or anchor stock not straight strakes of planking but that is for another day. As to the size of the materials they supplied I thought that might be the case. They don't seem to do any research on these kinds of details so the material they provide is way out of scale. If you are looking for a realistic look, this is nothing some sanding can't fix, especially at the bow where they reduce so they are the same thickness as the rest of the planking as they reach the rabbet. The below is from a contract for a 74, so the thickness is less than would have been on Victory, the scantlings for which are given above. Still, it gives an idea on how this worked. THICKSTUFF under To have 6 Strakes of Thick stuff under the Main Wales: the Upper Edge of the Upper strake to be of 6¾ inches in Thickness the MAIN WALES lower edge of the 3rd to be 5⅝ inches & the lower edge of the sixth Strake to be 4 inches in Thickness. THICKSTUFF on To have One Strake upon the Main Wales of 6¾ inches in Thickness and 1 foot 1 ½ inches broad, the lower edge of the Strake upon MAIN WALES to be 5 ¾ inches thickness & to wear off to 4 inches thick at the Channel Wales. Allan Edited January 11 by allanyed Old Collingwood 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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