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Posted

Having run out of space in my work room, and also discovering the wonderful work done by @Javier Baron, I am going to have a crack at a miniature build myself.

 

The ship I plan to build is a 21m/69' Dutch yacht which will be reduced in length to 107mm/4.212". Plans for this ship are fairly detailed but written in Turkish and are not very clear so I anticipate a bit of fun along the way. I don't mind challenges.😯

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Wish me luck as I 'go on my way' down a possibly rocky road. :rolleyes:

Cheers,

 

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted

Good luck on your journey!!:cheers:

Bob M.

Start so you can Finish !!

Finished:         The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 ,   Amati } Hannah Ship in a Bottle:Santa Maria : LA  Pinta : La Nana : The Mayflower : Viking Ship Drakkar  The King Of the Mississippi  Artesania Latina  1:80 

 

 Current Build: Royal Yacht, Duchess of Kingston-Vanguard Models :)

Posted

This yacht as we see it here on the plan is originally a reconstruction by Hoeckel of the Electorate of Brandenburg Staten Yacht, the Large (Große) or Golden (Goldene) Yacht, from 1678/79.

So the Yacht has a name, but with modified decoration it can certainly also serve other states with different names.

Posted (edited)

Two days of fun.

Nothing exciting for Day One.

Just scaling back the plans. Cutting parts and putting the main structure together ... nothing new, just very small. 🧐 

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Day Two.

I worked on the bow, rudder and stern. 

All that was essential, was a sharp pointed blade. 🗡️

I also started a little planking. (Continuing tomorrow)

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Breaking parts and sticking things to fingers was the order of the day. :rolleyes:

Cheers,

 

Edited by PvG Aussie

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted

G'day all,

Progress is very slow on this miniature model. Time and care needed is the same and avoidance of errors is crucial as they are very obvious. Never-the-less it is still an enjoyable build.

Yesterday I finished the planking, applied some primer, and did some work on the stern (it looks much better in reality than it does in the enlarged image).

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Today I planned the decks, painted the gunwales, and started on the staircase going down below. 

Because of the tiny scale, I think I'm going blind, but I'm still 'living the dream!'

Cheers,

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted

Peter PvG Aussie,

I agree to Chapman's post #5, the plan you got is a derivate of the Hoeckel et al. plans. If you wanted to look further into ships of the 16th/17th century it might be worthwhile to get a copy of this book containing 11 plan pages with 22 drawings of ships of that era plus an article about colours used.

FYI some pics of the book I have.

 

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Posted

Peter PvG Aussie,

 

the plan is a true 1/100 scale, your model looks a bit smaller though. To me its very ambitious to build in 1/200, all this fiddling and tiniest parts to work.

Congrats that you acheived to make a very convincing hull so far.

 

greetings

 

Joachim

 

 

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Posted

Thank you, Joachim @cotrecerf, for your comments and advice.

I agree with you fully about the obvious origin of the plans I have. Given the Hungarian source and lack of clarity of my three pages of plans, I very much appreciate the sketches you have attached. Any suggestions regarding the ship's colours would be excellent as the only hint I have is this Ships of Scale Post (Click here to see). Ordering the Hoeckel et al, book would take ages as things move slowly when ordering from overseas.

As far as the scale is concerned, calculation always involves some assumptions. I assumed the ship is approximately 21m in length.

Thank you for your help and encouragement.

Cheers          🙂

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted

Peter,

check this link Kurbrandenburgische Marine – Wikipedia. The original yacht belonged to the Elector of Brandenburg at that time and there are oil paintings showing the yacht, the Brandenburg fleet giving you some idea of the colour scheme. I will scan the pages related to era colouring of the Hoeckel book soon. (They are in German language)

 

Cheers

Posted

Great reading thanks Joachim. Arguments for changing the name are very convincing. It's getting a little late here. Cheers, 😴

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted (edited)
Posted

Patrick @Baker, the images in your linked site are invaluable to me! I have to remember that I can't achieve the impossible when comparing 1/50 scale and 1/200 scale builds. 'Nothing ventured, nothing gained'.  :cheers:

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted
10 hours ago, PvG Aussie said:

Progress is very slow on this miniature model. Time and care needed is the same and avoidance of errors is crucial as they are very obvious

The errors I see are very minor in comparison to some of those I have made on much larger scale ships. At 1/200 scale, I would give myself a break if I were you. Your model is shaping up as a magnificent reconstruction, and unless you're Kirill or 72nova, you're going to make errors at 1/200. I would sand down the plank that juts upwards on the model, the cap rail should hide the rest. Filler and sanding should fix any gaps or ugly spots in planking. 

Posted

Thanks Ferrus,

You must appreciate that this miniature model is very much under construction. 

5 minutes ago, Ferrus Manus said:

unless you're Kirill or 72nova

I greatly admire the work of these two modelers but will take most of my inspiration from the work of @Javier Baron. Don't forget that apart from making various larger scale models and approximately 14 ships in bottles, this is my first miniature.

 

11 minutes ago, Ferrus Manus said:

I would give myself a break if I were you.

I'm enjoying myself too much accepting the challenge of this build to have a break ... yet. 😁

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted
9 minutes ago, ccoyle said:

This model has had more name changes than Prince!  😄

Chris, the interest raised by this build is most amazing! As far as the name change is concerned, I just had to go with the clear identification of the ship made by some worthy modeling scholars. Do you have any personal preferences for a name change? Perhaps "Cameleon :rolleyes:

Cheers,

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, PvG Aussie said:

Patrick @Baker, the images in your linked site are invaluable to me! I have to remember that I can't achieve the impossible when comparing 1/50 scale and 1/200 scale builds. 'Nothing ventured, nothing gained'.  :cheers:

👍 Got more at  home. But, on vacation now 🏖️

Edited by Baker
Posted

Hey Aussie,

 

I've used the very same plans to build my own Golden Yacht. If you want to take a look at it, here is a link to the log:

Although my log's title states that I've built it in 1/100th scale, it's very much not :D I'm not quite sure about the exact scale, but I guess, it's somewhere in the 1/150th - 1/200th range. What I want to say is that it's possible, but I'll never build anything in that small a scale again xD

Posted

Thank you @Strelok for sharing your experience. It is always good to see how plans can be made into reality. 

Cheers,          :pirate41:

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted

It's great to get the encouragement and 👍s from my peers and 🐧 friends. Thanks.

What a challenging two days!

 

I started with covering the roof of the aft section and the decks.

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It even has an internal stairwell.

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Then I realised the rear structure needed to be removed

as the angle of the roof was not steep enough.

I fixed it up and made an untidy mess. It took ages.

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I hate the sound of cracking wood!

 

Till next time,

Cheers

 

 

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

Posted

Hello Peter,

after a couple of days not at home here are 2 pages regarding colouring of ships in the 17th century as promised. Unfortunately these are fotos only, as my scanner gave up its service.

I hope this helps you someway.

 

Cheers

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Posted

@cotrecerf, thank you for the text of ship colours. I thought I would have to rely on my limited knowledge of the Dutch language to translate the German text, but I have been lucky enough to use modern technology to understand what is written. The text is most useful in colour choices for my ship. 

Cheers     :cheers:

PvG Aussie (Peter) Started modelling Jan 2022.  Joined MSW March 2024. Quote: Rome wasn't built in a day!

Current Build:  Piececool The Queen Anne's Revenge 1:250 Metal

Past Builds:       Artesania Latina (AL) Belem (1:75), AL Vasa (1:65), Scratch build Australia II BOTTLE (1:225), AL Bluenose II (1:75); AL Bounty (1:48), 

                             AL HMB Endeavour (1:65), Trumpeter Bismarck (1:200), Border Models Avro Lancaster Bomber (1:32), AL Fokker Dr1 (1:16),

                             Das Werk WWI German U-Boat SM U-9 (1:72); Scratch build HMS Victory BOTTLE (1:530), Wolfpack PBY-3 Catalina (1;72), 

                             Scratch build MS Sibajak 1928 BOTTLE (1:1150), Imai Kagaku Spanish Galleon 1607 (1:100), Brandenburg State Yacht 1679 (1/200), 

                             HMS Endeavour (1/450) BOTTLE, ILK USS Enterprise (CV-6) (1/350), PLUS approx. 13 more ships in bottles

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