Dr PR Posted May 9 #151 Posted May 9 I agree with Bill. Don't worry about it. After all, we have examined Chapelle's drawings of the Lynx and Musquidobit and he has drawn the rake angle of the main mast a bit greater than that of the fore mast. So maybe he changed his mind? We will never know what the actual rake angles were. Who knows, maybe what you have decided on is what the vessel really had?! I posted that Chapelle quote with chagrin because I have been reading over everything I could find about this vessel and had missed this bit at least several times! Keith Black and phebe 2 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
SaltyScot Posted May 9 Author #152 Posted May 9 Today I busied myself with the gun carriages. As I have often stated throughout this build, the quality of some of the wood leaves a lot to be desired, the plywood for the most part being the worst. Because of that fact and for the sake of continuity throughout matching parts, I took the pieces of the carriage from the plans into Fusion 360, put them together and then 3D printed them. The dimensions of the carriage brackets exactly match the plywood ones in the kit. Another reason for me doing this was that there was no specification in the plans as to what exactly I should use for the fore and hind axletrees. I could have thrown some scraps together but wanted all carriages to look exactly alike. I will be making all the quoins by hand out of maple wood though, just cuz I can : The kit supplied enough cannons and fittings for 8 sets (although they did mess up with the axles, there were odd numbers of each). I will only be putting 6 guns on my build (see Chapelle's The Baltimore Clipper, top of page 82). I printed an extra set and rigged up a "prototype" to see how everything went together and how it looked on deck. I know that the breeching ring bolt has not been added yet. Also, the cascabel is missing its ring. I am toying with cutting some small brass rings and adding a tiny spot of CA glue to secure them to the top. The capsquares need a little reshaping too. They are TINY so I have to be careful how I mess with them. I also want to add some details to the trucks, they look very bare right now: The placement of the guns can be seen below. Again, I will only be adding 6 to this build so I do have some leeway should there be an issue with the height of the bulwarks: Before the cannons can be placed I obviously have to cut the gunports. I have read differing opinions on several blogs for this build regarding how they should be positioned. Here is what master model builder Frank Mastini has to say about that: Keith Black, KurtH, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Glen McGuire Posted May 9 #153 Posted May 9 Love the way that cannon looks! Nice job, Mark. SaltyScot and Keith Black 1 1 Current builds: BlueJacket Constitution Repair & Build Kentoshi-sen SIB Gallery: Mamoli CSS Alabama; Amati Hannah-SIB; Charles W Morgan-SIB; Aurora-SIB; Independence-SIB; Zheng He Treasure Fleet-SIB; Adventure Galley-SIB; Oseberg/Kraken-SIB; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw-SIB; Wa'a Kualua-SIB; Ghost Ship Jenny-SIB; Banshee II-SIB; Flying Dutchman/Black Pearl-SIB Completed build logs: Alabama; Hannah; Morgan; Aurora; Independence; Zheng He Treasure Fleet; Captain Kidd's Adventure Galley; Oseberg/Kraken; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw, Wa'a Kualua, Ghost Ship Jenny; Banshee II; Flying Dutchman/Black Pearl
Dr PR Posted May 10 #154 Posted May 10 (edited) Mark, I was worried about getting all of the gun ports exactly the same size. I made a gun port tool from some scrap wood to ensure that all of the ports came out the same. Can't say this was my invention - I saw it in a book about building the hull of ship models. On the Albatros build the gun ports were cut immediately under the cap rail. The tool fit under the cap rail to the point marked "edge of cap rail," The surface with the black centering mark slid under the cap rail. The gun port opening was cut just large enough for the part marked "size of gun port" to slip fit through. I used files to open the original small drill hole to the right size and shape for the tool to be inserted until the edge marked "edge of cap rail" fit against the cap rail. Then I built up the port lining inside the bulwark so the part marked "size of port lining" slip fit into the lining. The gun port lids fit into the opening and rest against the port lining. The trick is to remove material from the planking slowly until the tool fits tightly into the opening. Here are a couple of pictures showing the results. On the left you can see the port linings inside the port opening. On the right is the view of the inside of the bulwarks showing the lower cill (lighter color wood) and the vertical linings (darker wood) inside the bulwark framing around the gun port. The gun port lids had a thin inner layer just large enough to fit into the lining/cill opening, while the outer layer fit tightly into the port opening and rested against the lining/cill. Hope this helps. Edited May 10 by Dr PR KurtH, Coyote_6, Glen McGuire and 5 others 8 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
SaltyScot Posted May 10 Author #155 Posted May 10 7 hours ago, Dr PR said: The trick is to remove material from the planking slowly until the tool fits tightly into the opening. Definitely something not to be rushed, Phil. Yes, this was extremely helpful, thank you. I have a list on my workbench of things to do. One of the items on the list was to make a gun port jig. I can cross that out now, thanks to you, sir. Keith Black, Jolly Jo and Knocklouder 3 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted May 12 Author #156 Posted May 12 On an unrelated note, something really nice happened to me this weekend. For a lot of us here in the US, today was Mother's Day. As a lot of you are aware, we have been busy moving my mother-in-law into a retirement community and selling her house over the past 6 months. This weekend was the first chance I have had to visit that community (the CEO was the front runner on this project these past months, I was just the "hammer" ). The community was originally built to house retired veterans from the Coast Guard, Navy and Royal Marines (the CEO's father was retired Navy but the complex is now also open to the general populace). Because of that, it has a very nautical theme throughout. This is what I saw when we went up to the dining room on the top floor for our lunch today: She was absolutely beautiful. Knocklouder, phebe, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 3 5 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Coyote_6 Posted May 12 #157 Posted May 12 Wow!! That copper patina!!! Keith Black and Glen McGuire 2 Steve San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
Keith Black Posted May 12 #158 Posted May 12 That hull has the best copper sheathing of any model I've ever seen, IMHO. Is your wife's mother all moved in, Mark? Glen McGuire 1 Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
SaltyScot Posted May 12 Author #159 Posted May 12 6 hours ago, Keith Black said: Is your wife's mother all moved in, Mark? Yes, Keith, she is all settled in. Thank for asking, sir. That was one big hurdle we are truly glad is behind us. Glen McGuire, Keith Black and Coyote_6 3 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Dr PR Posted May 12 #160 Posted May 12 It's good that you have that problem solved. When we moved my Mother into assisted living (at age 101) she didn't want to leave her home. But she really was lonely there, even though neighbors visited occasionally and she was across the street from my brother. But she really blossomed in the retirement community, making a lot of new friends and becoming the matriarch of the place. Lets hope your mom is as happy with her new home. And you have the plus that when you visit you can also inspect the ship model(s). Did you notice any other models in the place? Keith Black 1 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
SaltyScot Posted May 12 Author #161 Posted May 12 46 minutes ago, Dr PR said: Did you notice any other models in the place? No, Phil, that appears to be the only one. There are a lot of very nice old WWII era pictures on the walls in all the hallways, mostly with a naval theme. The mother in law was not against moving really, that 4500 sq. ft. house was just too big for her. She was also adamant that she didn't want to make new friends in the retirement community when she initially moved in. Since then, she has befriended a retired 2 star admiral, a very funny and interesting man. Things will be just fine. phebe, Coyote_6, Keith Black and 1 other 3 1 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted Sunday at 07:35 PM Author #162 Posted Sunday at 07:35 PM Hi folks. Just a very quick note on a decision I reached earlier today (while I was out in the garden prepping my planter beds for beans actually!). I have decided to go with the following color scheme for my build: Below the waterline will be white with a dark blue strip running between that and the tan/mustard/ochre ish (tbd) color on the bulwarks above. Very much like this one which is being so finely done by @Dr PR. I like those colors! Coyote_6, Glen McGuire, Keith Black and 2 others 5 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Dr PR Posted Monday at 06:01 AM #163 Posted Monday at 06:01 AM Good choice. From what I have read many American ships followed the British color scheme of black from the water line up to the band along the gun ports. This was a yellow color. They repeated the black/yellow/black pattern for each gun deck. The mast tops were painted black - probably because they had that paint on hand. This changed to black and white sometime before 1830 on some ships, and on nearly all by the 1840s. When they switched to white bands along the gun ports they started painting the mast tops white. I have never seen a comprehensive discussion of ship colors in the 1700s and up until the mid 1800s. Chapelle did write a paragraph about schooner colors in The Baltimore Clipper on page 170. Blue is one of the colors he mentions for hulls, and dark (Navy) blue would be appropriate. Keith Black and Coyote_6 2 Phil Current build: Vanguard Models 18 foot cutter Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
GrandpaPhil Posted Monday at 01:25 PM #164 Posted Monday at 01:25 PM They tried to make them look like British warships as much as possible so as not to alarm their enemies/prey. It also helped to avoid direct confrontation with British warships. Coyote_6 and Keith Black 2 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted Tuesday at 01:32 AM Author #165 Posted Tuesday at 01:32 AM 12 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said: They tried to make them look like British warships as much as possible so as not to alarm their enemies/prey. I was thinking why the color scheme was very similar to, let's say, HMS Victory. Thanks for that wee tidbit of info, Phil. GrandpaPhil, Keith Black and Ryland Craze 3 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
JerryTodd Posted Tuesday at 02:23 AM #166 Posted Tuesday at 02:23 AM Just saw this log. I see you got the stern figured out, I had some picture for you on that, but I guess you've moved on BTW: Your gun carriage is reversed, when the sides are angled, the front is the narrower end, because the gun's bigger at it's breech than at it's trunnions. Here's some pic of the first Pride of Baltimore under construction. She was very near in size and rig as your model represents. (click for larger pics) Keith Black, Ryland Craze, Coyote_6 and 1 other 4 Jerry Todd Click to go to that build log Constellation ~ RC sloop of war c.1856 in 1:36 scale Macedonian ~ RC British frigate c.1812 in 1:36 scale Pride of Baltimore ~ RC Baltimore Clipper c.1981 in 1:20 scale Gazela Primeiro ~ RC Barkentine c.1979 in 1:36 scale Naval Guns 1850s~1870s ~ 3D Modeling & Printing My Web Site My Thingiverse stuff
SaltyScot Posted Tuesday at 07:55 PM Author #167 Posted Tuesday at 07:55 PM A small update on my Lynx build folks. Once the hull planking was complete I started adding the bulwark strakes. I used walnut for these too. The false deck was fitted, glued and pinned in place to dry before I started: Once that was done I made a template of the exact dimensions of the inside of the deck surface area so that I could shape and bend the wood for the waterways. With that template (made of card), I traced the outer edges onto a piece of scrap wood to give me the two shapes I needed. I soaked two strips of walnut for 24 hours in hot water. Funny thing, I actually let them float in our hot tub for that period of time because I didn't have a vessel big enough to soak them or a way to keep water hot for that long. Luckily we haven't shut the hot tub down for the summer yet and it went very well! The soaked planks were bent edge wise and held in place using pins. They will remain like that for another 24 hours: While they were drying, I filled the small cracks in the hull, smoothed it all over with 220 grit and gave it a coat of white primer. She looks fancy in her new coat This was the initial coat so there is still some fine tuning to do with small inconsistencies here and there: ccoyle, KurtH, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted Tuesday at 07:57 PM Author #168 Posted Tuesday at 07:57 PM (edited) 17 hours ago, JerryTodd said: BTW: Your gun carriage is reversed, when the sides are angled, the front is the narrower end, because the gun's bigger at it's breech than at it's trunnions. Thank you so much for pointing that out, Jerry. I don't know what possessed me to build it that way, the plans clearly show how it should be done: I am glad I only put the prototype together now. Thanks also for the images. Edited Tuesday at 08:20 PM by SaltyScot Content added GrandpaPhil, Nearshore, Glen McGuire and 2 others 5 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Coyote_6 Posted Tuesday at 08:07 PM #169 Posted Tuesday at 08:07 PM Very clean hull form! Nicely done Mark! Keith Black and Glen McGuire 2 Steve San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
Keith Black Posted Tuesday at 08:18 PM #170 Posted Tuesday at 08:18 PM The hull looks very nice, Mark. Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
Glen McGuire Posted Tuesday at 08:44 PM #171 Posted Tuesday at 08:44 PM 45 minutes ago, SaltyScot said: I actually let them float in our hot tub for that period of time because I didn't have a vessel big enough to soak them or a way to keep water hot for that long. Whoa. Hot tub? Now that's something I definitely need to add to my shipyard!! Keith Black and Jolly Jo 2 Current builds: BlueJacket Constitution Repair & Build Kentoshi-sen SIB Gallery: Mamoli CSS Alabama; Amati Hannah-SIB; Charles W Morgan-SIB; Aurora-SIB; Independence-SIB; Zheng He Treasure Fleet-SIB; Adventure Galley-SIB; Oseberg/Kraken-SIB; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw-SIB; Wa'a Kualua-SIB; Ghost Ship Jenny-SIB; Banshee II-SIB; Flying Dutchman/Black Pearl-SIB Completed build logs: Alabama; Hannah; Morgan; Aurora; Independence; Zheng He Treasure Fleet; Captain Kidd's Adventure Galley; Oseberg/Kraken; Roman Quinquereme/Archimedes' Claw, Wa'a Kualua, Ghost Ship Jenny; Banshee II; Flying Dutchman/Black Pearl
SaltyScot Posted Tuesday at 08:52 PM Author #172 Posted Tuesday at 08:52 PM 6 minutes ago, Glen McGuire said: Now that's something I definitely need to add to my shipyard!! What? Doesn't everyone have one? 😂 😂 😂 Keith Black, Glen McGuire and Nearshore 1 2 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
SaltyScot Posted Tuesday at 08:54 PM Author #173 Posted Tuesday at 08:54 PM @Coyote_6 @Keith Black Thanks guys. I strive continuously to reach y'all's standards of excellence 😉 Nearshore, Coyote_6, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
Keith Black Posted Tuesday at 09:14 PM #174 Posted Tuesday at 09:14 PM 19 minutes ago, SaltyScot said: What? Doesn't everyone have one? Do they have walk in models for us older folk? Glen McGuire and SaltyScot 2 Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
JerryTodd Posted Tuesday at 09:55 PM #175 Posted Tuesday at 09:55 PM Since I'm modeling the Pride of Baltimore, I made 3D models of her 6 pounders. That angle isn't as severe as your kit calls for, and matched the taper of the gun tube more closely. Not trying to lead you into darkness, but the STL file's available for free on Thingiverse, and can be scaled Jolly Jo, Keith Black and Coyote_6 3 Jerry Todd Click to go to that build log Constellation ~ RC sloop of war c.1856 in 1:36 scale Macedonian ~ RC British frigate c.1812 in 1:36 scale Pride of Baltimore ~ RC Baltimore Clipper c.1981 in 1:20 scale Gazela Primeiro ~ RC Barkentine c.1979 in 1:36 scale Naval Guns 1850s~1870s ~ 3D Modeling & Printing My Web Site My Thingiverse stuff
SaltyScot Posted yesterday at 01:50 AM Author #176 Posted yesterday at 01:50 AM 3 hours ago, JerryTodd said: I made 3D models of her 6 pounders Nice, what CAD software did you use? I am familiar with Thingiverse, I used in school a lot when I was teaching 3D printing and showing the students where they could source free STL files. I will check that file out but, to be honest with you, I prefer to build my own. I see from the images here that you have included pretty much everything on the carriage. I prefer the gun tackle loops and breeching ringbolts to be brass. The only 3D printed part of my guns will be the brackets. Keith Black and JerryTodd 2 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
GrandpaPhil Posted yesterday at 07:06 AM #177 Posted yesterday at 07:06 AM (edited) Mark, Very nicely done on the hull! Looking good! Edited yesterday at 07:06 AM by GrandpaPhil Keith Black 1 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted 21 hours ago Author #178 Posted 21 hours ago 4 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said: Mark, Very nicely done on the hull! Looking good! Thanks, Phil. I was happy with how this turned out too. Coyote_6, GrandpaPhil and Keith Black 3 Mark On the table: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Finished: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
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