HMS Bounty by Navis Factorem - FINISHED - Amati - 1:60

[Navis Factorem]

MSW 1, Part 1 of this log which ran for a bit over 2 years brought me up to completion of most of the hull and the beginning of the rig so this is where I will start again.

 

The first stage of the rig is now done, bowsprit and lower mast sections including the tops and stays.

 

Topmasts next.

 

It's good to be back.

 

Cheers,

 

David.

 

[DenPink]

Nice one David  very good job.

 

Denis.

[Navis Factorem]

Some preparations for the next phase of the standing rig, the futtock shrouds and connections to, and the topmast shrouds.

 

Research seems to indicate the futtock shrouds are connected to the lower topmast deadeyes by hooks. There was no sign of these in the kit so it was out with the copper wire and hard at work in the foundry

 

The kit drawing shows lanyards going nowhere so I will tie them off like the main shroud lanyard. The new deadeye connectors are much longer than the brass kit provided part. I paired up the deadeyes for best match.

 

The fore and main topmast shrouds are 0.75mm with 0.2mm lashing. My version of a lashing jig.

 

The hooks were then lashed to the precut futtock shrouds and these are now in the process of being installed.

[russ]

David:

This is a beautiful model so far. I like your color scheme for the hull. It is very attractive. The rigging is coming along great. Thanks for sharing your work.

 

Russ

[st george]

She looks great David. Hope to start mine soon.

 

David

[Navis Factorem]

Part 2 standing rig, topmasts, shrouds, ratlines, futtock shrouds and stays done.

 

Now for the topgallant masts and jib boom, no more ratlines.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[russ]

Beautiful rigging so far. Exellent work indeed.

 

Russ

[klimi]

hello David, is nice to watch your progress, will you do a sails? When you compare work on the hull and rigging what did you enjoy more?

And i have to thank you for sharing it helped me a lot. I look forward to finish 

Pavel

[Navis Factorem]

Hi Pavel,

 

Thanks for your comment. The question of sails is now looming large, I will need to make the decision very shortly. The Amati kit came with a partial suit of sails and they don't look too bad. I made up one of the topgallants to see what it looked like. The rope edge was attached by gluing with PVA, it worked quite well. I don't like set billowing or limp sails on a static model, to my thinking they would hide too much of the rig and I think it is almost impossible to make them look good. I have tried various states of furl with a loose furl a possibility. At the end of the day I think I will go for the bare spars look, ships in harbour often looked like this, and the look has a simplicity that I like.

 

I am an bulding architect by background so I prefer hull construction to rigging but, as I have got into the rig, I have come to enjoy it more. The final rig is going to be a bit of a hybrid. I have 3 different references, Amati instructions, Mackays Anatomy of the Ship, and the recently acquired Lennarth Petterson book which describes the rig on a frigate of the same era. I am using a bit of each but referring most often to Mackay and L. P. as the Amati digrams miss out on a lot of the detail and has quite wrong cord sizes. I am using 14 different cord sizes, 5 natural and 9 black. The largest black cord that I have used is for the 10" circumference main stay which at 1:60 scale is 1.4mm diameter. I spun this using 24 strands of sewing cotton initially wound into 4 separate strands then spun together. I think that getting the rope sizes as close to real as possible adds to the accuracy of the look of the finished model. The Amati kit only included a fraction of the sizes of rope that I am using.

 

Cheers,

 

David.

 

Prototype topgallant with rope edge

 

Clue detail

 

Rope jig, makes about 700mm lengths

 

2 x 6 sewing cotton strands spun, doubled back ready for final winding into 1.4mm 24 strand main stay

[Navis Factorem]

Part 3 standing rig. Fore and main topgallant masts and jib boom and associated stays. The Amati kit instructions don't show the topgallant mast shrouds at all and about half of the stays.

 

I am not going to fit the backstays at this stage, I think they would really get in the way of the running rig which it must be about time to start.

 

 

 

 

[russ]

The only thing about the backstays is that they are part of the tensioning of the rigging. You do not want to have to make too many alterations in the standing rigging after you already have the running rigging in place. I would recommend you get the standing rigging complete before beginning the running rigging.

 

Russ

[Navis Factorem]

I decided to take Russ's advice and install the backstays to complete the standing rig before I started on the running rig. Tensioning up the backstays certainly tightened everything up.

 

I have started fixing the blocks to the yards. Now is the time to REALLY work out what all the ropes do!

 

Cheers,

 

David.

 

 

 

[popeye the sailor]

holy cow David..........lost track of your build since the crash..............WOW!  you've done so much.......she looks absolutely beautiful!  really nice job with the masting and ratlines........and the rigging is superb!   really nice work! 

[russ]

Very nice work. The standing rigging looks excellent. You have done a good job of making everything look taut and nothing pulled out of line.

 

Russ

[Navis Factorem]

Fitting the blocks etc to the yards, this is the fore main yard.

 

I haven't yet sorted out the best order to fit and rig the yards. At this stage I will start from the foremast main yard and work up the fore mast then onto the main mast and mizzen last. As I am rigging the fore mast I will see how much of the outer rigging I can do before fitting the next yard. 

 

Cheers,

 

David.

 

[popeye the sailor]

if the rest of your yards look like this one.......your in for a treat!

[Navis Factorem]

Hi Popeye,

Thanks for the feedback, how's the Gothenborg going? last I saw you were well into the sticks, have you started on the strings yet? I have fitted the fore main yard and started on the running rig. I will post an update when the foremast is completed. 

Have you revived your build log, losing the lot was a bit of a tragedy wasn't it.

Cheers,

David.

[aliluke]

Wow! A stunning build. Will keep watching with interest.

 

Thanks

Alistair

[popeye the sailor]

haven't gotten back to her yet David........I have the correct dead eyes........now to clear off a couple of the near finished builds,  before I do.  the build log is back up.......I want to do a few other aspects ot get her moving again,  but the weather is getting warmer and I keep getting interrupted.   soon,  my friend...thanks for your interest

 

meanwhile,  I'll look forward in seeing your progress......wishing I was at that point 

[hopeful]

Glad you resstarted your build and buildlog. Realy enjoyed watching you build your Bounty before the crash. Nice to have you back, Your level ofcraftsmenship is a marvel. I like the fact you take the time to reveal your tip and jigs no matter how simple they maybe.

 

Will follow your build from here.

 

Wish you well!

 

 

BFN

 

Cheers,

Hopeful aka David

 

“there is wisdom in many voices”

 

Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted Gallery

 

Current: Sultana (MSW)

Current: Phantom (MSW)

 

Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory)

Edited April 8, 2013 by hopeful

[mathewp]

Nice build in progress, I just finished the Colonial Brig Perseverance from Modellers Shipyard, and have a Mamoli Bounty on the way. Yours is looking really good.I havent tried building and placing the masts in separate pieces yet. I put the ones on the Brig in one piece. Might try this one for my build.

[klimi]

I´m so sorry David that I forgot to answer. Hull was for you kinda connect with yours work. But how you said, the rig and the details are the things, which giving model the beauty.

I looking forward for next photos Bounty. 

Pavel 

[Navis Factorem]

Running rigging update.

 

The foremast is now complete, now for the mainmast. This should be a bit easier now that I more or less understand what all the ropes do!

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

[russ]

Beautiful rigging so far. Everything looks taut and shipshape. Great work.

 

Russ

[popeye the sailor]

awesome work David..........superbly done!  now I can see where you've been    thoughht of you and your build the other day.....thanks for the answer 

[Navis Factorem]

Rope Coils (Hanks?).

 

Like the ratlines I think I will progressively attack the shaping and installation of the rope coils associated with the rigging falls rather than leaving them for a mammoth (tedious) effort towards the end.

 

A common modelling method is to produce a coil (see Julier example pic) then hook it over the belaying pin. On my Bounty the belaying pins are quite close together. I worked out how many I needed on each rack then set up the spacing so that the pins were a reasonable distance apart and the racks were about the same length as shown in Mackay AoTS. The pins are really too close together for the Julier type method to work very well. The tops of the pins would be buried and the coils would be on top of each other.

 

On my recent outing on the 1879 sailing ship James Craig I was very interested in how the large coils of ropes that had been worked into position were attached to the belaying pins.

 

The pic shows how the crew handle rope coils. Rather than being hooked over the belaying pin they are hung in front of the pin and tied off to the top of the pin with a couple of loops.

 

I am going to try this approach. We'll se how it goes.

 

Cheers.

 

Julier

 

James Craig

 

[popeye the sailor]

is this all you have left?  I don't fuss too much with the coils......but I do them in sort of the same way.  again......super job!

[Navis Factorem]

Still got the running rig for the main and mizzen masts to go then all sorts of little finishing details including the "hair curler" cornucopia carvings on either side of the transom. These are not even mentioned in the Amati kit so a little research and carving will be required.

 

Whe I say doing the rope coils "progressively" I mean foremast now then mainmast when I have finished the main mast running rigging and so on. The thought of doing all the coils at the end is a bit mind numbing. And I have a fairly high "numb mind" tolerance for repetitive tasks.

 

Cheers.

[popeye the sailor]

yea,  I hear that!.........I'll have that to look forward to on my present build.   I'll just use the drying time to work on another build......I who have so many

[Navis Factorem]

Rope coils.

 

First try at making up and installing coils like those I saw on the James Craig.

 

Those for the fore sail and fore topsail braces at the base of the main mast are the last to be done, I think they are looking more convincing the more I do.

 

Like most things, by the time I've finished, I might be reasonably good at it!

 

Cheers, David.