Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 19, 2013 #1 Posted February 19, 2013 Hi Guys, Well I'm back and feeling better. I will post my photos back up soon. Just thought I would leave an FYI that I did not leave like the Ol MSW site did. So give me a bit and I will re-post my pictures some time this week.... cheers Mario Rustyj 1 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
mtaylor Posted February 19, 2013 #2 Posted February 19, 2013 Good to see you back and feeling better, Mario. Take your time. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
JeffT Posted February 19, 2013 #3 Posted February 19, 2013 Welcome back and glad to hear you are feeling better. Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 19, 2013 Author #4 Posted February 19, 2013 HI Mark, Jeff, Good to be back..... Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Anja Posted February 20, 2013 #5 Posted February 20, 2013 Hello Mario, First I thought, who is Cap'n Rat Fink? But when I saw your avatar ........ Welcome back my friend. I'm glad you're feeling better too. Really looking forward to this build. Take care, Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo
bbrockel Posted February 20, 2013 #6 Posted February 20, 2013 Don't push yourself too hard. Easy to do when you've been down and want to get back in the saddle again. Give it a couple more days to get back up to speed. We'll be here. Quote "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
captainbob Posted February 20, 2013 #7 Posted February 20, 2013 Hey Rat Fink, Glad to see you've been promoted to Cap'n. Welcome back my friend. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #9 Posted February 21, 2013 HELLO ALL,I decided upon THE ECHO CROSS SECTION be cause of my naivness with plank on frame models.This little model looked to be a great way to learn the details of putting together a POF model. Without taking on a bigger project and finding out it was a bit too complicated.After reading through the practicum and already learning about futtocks, floors, long top-timbers, top timbers, and ect. Admiralty Models put a great little project together to learn these things. It will fill in a lot the blanks that I have with model ship building.As my custom I will be posting a lot of detailed pictures. Not only for others to pull information from, but also for others to help me with my roadblocks. After working things out with Greg and Jeff I will be making my cross section out of CERRY WOOD. I received the CD and the 6 pounders a little over a week ago. Jeff notified me that the material should be in my hot little hands by the end of this coming week. That's good because I am battling bronchitis and the Dr. said to cool it or I will be seeing Pneumonia in my future. So with my voice going out I gotta do something. So I am sitting on my butt trying to cough up a lung at times. But there is nothing wrong with my brain. So I am playing Capt. Kirk(STAR TREK) and trouble shooting my plan of attack from the bridge. So I won't be doing any physical modeling until I am over this bronchitis thing. But I will be prepping everything I can get away with.So those of you who do not know me. All I have for power tools is a couple of Dremels, micro mark band saw, and a combination mini wood lathe. So most of this model will be done with hand tools. I am a little anal about details. I am also very organized. At this time I am deciding weather to finish off with diluted sanding sealer or teac oil. I will be building a build board before I start anything. I still have not decided on how I will be making the scores for the ports. Greg gave 2 examples to choose from. I will be doing the scores on the rising wood.So with the challenges of the scores for the rising wood and the port sills, the timbers that are shifted or cast, the cross chocks, the scrap pieces being used for the spacing of aft frame 5, and other challenges this kit packs a BIG PUNCH in a SMALL PACKAGE to learn and gain a whole lot of knowledge of ship wrighting. Which I lack very badly. Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #10 Posted February 21, 2013 So enough said and on with the show.....and already I have a few questions.I decided to add pictures of my deductions on how I perceive what size timber goes with which futtock. Please you experience modelers with POF, let me know if my deductions are correct. If not please let me know how I screwed up. If I really screwed up, no matter just have to re-print more copies and start from square one.I have also decided to cut down on my posting to spend more time with my family and some more time on physical modeling, rather then spend soooo much time on the PC. So see you all next week and have a wonderful weekcheers Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #11 Posted February 21, 2013 WELL I FINALLY GOT GOING WITH THIS CROSS SECTION. GETTING OVER MY BRONCHITIS SLOWLY, SO ALL WORK IS BEING DONE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, A REALLY COLD FRONT HAS HIT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. 16 DEGRESS LAST NIGHT.SINCE BEING SICK AND NOT DOING MUCH I FIRST DID MORE PREPPING. CUTTING OUT ALL THE FRAME PATTERNS AND ORGANIZING THEM. MOUNTING THE PLAN TO THE BUILDING BOARD.....AND FINALLY CUTTING OUT AND BUILDING THE KEEL ASSEMBLY. fatih79 1 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #12 Posted February 21, 2013 QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ARE VERY MUCH WELCOMED.....TAKE CARE SEE YOU SOON.... fatih79 and druxey 2 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #13 Posted February 21, 2013 WELL I HAD A LITTLE TIME TONIGHT TO MAKE A LITTLE MORE PROGRESS. I DECIDED TO WORK ON CREATING THE “DEAD FLAT 0”....AFTER GLUING AND CUTTING OUT THE FUTTOCKS WITH MY BAND SAW, I CLAMPED THE PIECE TO MY VICE. NOW FROM THERE I USED MY FILE, DIFFERENT SIZE DOWELLS WITH SANDPAPER, SANDING BLOCKS, SANDING STICKS OF VARIOUS SIZES, AND EMORY BOARD. MOST WERE HAND MADE. druxey and fatih79 2 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #14 Posted February 21, 2013 HOME LATE FROM WORK TONIGHT BUT HAD TO FINISH OFF THE “DEAD FLAT FRAME”. IT TOOK ME A COUPLE OF HOURS SINCE THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME. BUT IT WAS GREAT FUN. I LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS ONE FRAME. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEED UP A BIT NOW THAT I HAVE A GOOD IDEA ON HOW TO CONSTRUCT THE FRAMES. I EXPLAINED MY PROCESS ON MY PICTURES AS USUAL. IF I AM DOING IT WRONG PLEASE LET ME KNOW.WHAT AMAZED ME WAS HOW DELICATE THE FRAME WAS WHEN GLUED WITHOUT THE CROSS CHOCKS, AND THEN HOW RIGID IT BECAME ONCE THE CHOCKS WERE IN PLACE.I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME LEARNING THIS METHOD OF CONSTRUCTION!!!! druxey and fatih79 2 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #15 Posted February 21, 2013 WELL WITH COMING AND GOING THIS WEEKEND I WAS ABLE TO BUILD AND COMPLETE 6 OR THE 12 FRAMES.I DECIDED TO BUILD ONE FRAME AT A TIME WHICH WORKED VERY WELL FOR. THAT WOULD I WAS ABLE TO DEVOTE ALL MY CONCENTRATION TO ALL THE PARTICULAR DETAIL THAT GOES INTO JUST ONE FRAME.ONCE ALL THE FUTTOCKS WERE LINED UP I GLUED THEM OVER THE DIAGRAM TO THEM ALIGHNED. ONCE DRIED I CUT OUT THE CROSS CHOCKS. FILED THEM TO FIT. THEN I GLUED THEM IN PLACE, OVER THE DIAGRAM TO THEM LINED UP. I PLACED WEIGHTS ON THEM UNTIL DRY.WHILE I WAS WAITING FOR THE GLUE TO DRY, I WENT AHEAD AND PREPPED THE NEXT FRAME IN LINE. ANOTHER WARDS GLUEING THE PATTERNS TO THE MATERIAL AND CUTTING ALL FUTTOCKS OUT. BY THEN THE PREVIOUS FRAME WAS DRIED.I WENT AHEAD AND GLUED THE NEXT FRAME TOGETHER. FUTTOCKS ONLY.....WHILE DRYING I TRIMMED THE CHOCKS AND STARTED CLEANING UP THE PREVIOUS FRAME.THIS WAY IT KEPT ME MOVING ALONG.MAKE SURE YOU KEEP PAGE 12 RIGHT NEXT TO YOU, BECAUSE IT GOES OVER SEVERAL DIFFERENT FRAMES YOU MUST PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO DETAIL... fatih79 and druxey 2 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 21, 2013 Author #16 Posted February 21, 2013 OK ,,,,NOW THAT I AM BACK WHERE I LEFT OFF. THANK GOODNESS FOR PUTTING EVERYTHING IN MS WORD. SAVED MY BUTT. COPY N PASTE NOW I'M BACK. SO IF MY PLAN GOES RIGHT ALL FRAMES WILL BE COMPLETED BY THIS WEEKEND AND I WILL BE ABLE TO ADD SOMETHING NEW................ MARIO JPett 1 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
mtaylor Posted February 21, 2013 #17 Posted February 21, 2013 Looking forward to seeing what's next, Mario... Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Anja Posted February 22, 2013 #18 Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Yes Mario, Me too. Looking forward to the weekend updates. Take care, Anja Edited February 24, 2013 by Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo
Trussben Posted February 22, 2013 #19 Posted February 22, 2013 Sweet work Mario, very nice frames and chocks. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 25, 2013 Author #20 Posted February 25, 2013 HI FRIENDS THANKS FOR STOPPING BY, WELL I TRIED TO GET ALL THE FRAMES COMPLETED THIS WEEKEND, BUT SO MANY THINGS WERE GOING ON THAT I HAD VERY LITTLE TIME TO MESS THE THE FRAMES. BUT I WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE FRAME 3 FORE N AFT SECTIONS. THEN AS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT MY INTERNET PROVIDER WENT DOWN AT 8 PM LAST NIGHT CAILF TIME. SO I COULD NOT POST MY PROGRESS. OH WELL MAYBE TONIGHT WHEN I GET HOME IT WIL BE UP N WORKING AND I WILL POST MY FRAME 3 CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE MONDAY AND TUESDAY LOOK GOOD. SO HOPEFULLY FRAMES 4 N 5 WILL BE COMPLETED BY TUESDAY NIGHT AND I WILL BE RAISING THE FRAMES BY THIS COMING WEEKEND.... YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY AND SEE YA TONIGHT druxey 1 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
oneslim Posted February 25, 2013 #21 Posted February 25, 2013 Mario, I have been following Your build. Very clean work for not having a saw. Bob W Quote Bob Wescott South Jersey
davec Posted February 26, 2013 #22 Posted February 26, 2013 Mario - I'm really enjoying your log, particularly all your detail. Your frames look great. I'm looking forward to your next update. Dave Quote Current builds: Wingnut Wings 1/32 Halberstadt Cl.II Model Shipways 1/48 Longboat Model Shipways 1/24 Grand Banks Dory Soon to start: Fully framed Echo Completed builds: Kotare 1/32 Spitfire Mk.Ia Wingnut Wings AMC DH9 East Coast Oyster Sharpie Echo Cross Section 1/48 Scratchbuilt Hannah from Hahn plans 1/64 Kitbashed Rattlesnake from Bob Hunt practicum 1/64 Brig Supply
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 26, 2013 Author #23 Posted February 26, 2013 THANKS FOR STOPPING BY DAVE..... Well finally back at the echo again............. over the weekend i started and finished off frames 3 fore n aft. the only power tool i used was my micro mark band saw. i have no jig saw or barrel sander. after using the band saw it was all files and sanding blocks to get frame 3 aft shaped per the plans.....i found that making the toptimber was easier then i thought it would be, but i had a devil of a time fashioning the blocks to the toptimbers. i placed the frame in all sorts of configurations in my panavise, being very careful not to break it during filing and sanding it down. i even held it in my hand with some areas of sanding because i just could not get to sit right in the vise. ah to have a barrel sander. oh well ! so here are my results. hopefully by tomorrow night frames 4 n 5 will be completed and i will be raising the frames by the weekend.... cheers Mario......."Develop success from failures. Discouragement and failures are two of the surest stepping stones to SUCCESS!" fatih79 1 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 26, 2013 Author #24 Posted February 26, 2013 nd a few more pic's........ cheers Mario....... druxey and fatih79 2 Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
AnobiumPunctatum Posted February 26, 2013 #25 Posted February 26, 2013 Mario, looks really good. I'm interested to see how the frames look on the keel. Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 26, 2013 Author #26 Posted February 26, 2013 Thank You AnobiumPunctatum!!! Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
captainbob Posted February 26, 2013 #27 Posted February 26, 2013 Looking good, Mario. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted February 26, 2013 Author #28 Posted February 26, 2013 Hi Cap, Nice of you to stop by. Thank you very much for your kind remarks..... Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
Anja Posted February 26, 2013 #29 Posted February 26, 2013 Hello Mario, It's looking good. And as always, thanks for the detailed pictures. Looking forward to the frames being raised. Take care, Anja Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo
dvm27 Posted February 26, 2013 #30 Posted February 26, 2013 Those frames look terrific, Mario. Your system is working well. Greg Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
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