HMS Vanguard by RMC - FINISHED - Amati/Victory Models - scale 1:72

[RMC]

Thanks Roadking. A bit of encouragement is always welcome.

JOSE - a photo of your bitts would be very helpful.

 

I  am now off for a week to play some moderately bad golf on some beautiful courses on the far south coast of New South Wales.  The rigging can go hang itself in themeantime.

[Jdieck]

Best photos I could get with the ipad Sorry.

As you can see, it was a nightmare getting all of them in there.

Also As you can see I was very happy with the top quality of Chuck's blocks, smooth, two holes, properly rounded and grooved for the rope and ties.

Edited February 25, 2017 by Jdieck

[Bill Morrison]

Great and remarkable job! I have always been interested in this ship and have a small bank account set up to save for it.  After seeing your work, I think I will go and make another deposit this morning.

 

Bill

[Jdieck]

Thank you Bill.

Arthur, your model is unsurpassable and Bob here is doing a great job!

One thing I was not happy of how it ended up was the serving. I used very thin line and after taring the rope the serving is barely visible. You can only noticed on portions of the stays but not on the shrouds. Experience for the next one I guess.

[RMC]

Jose - what wonderful work. I hope your 18 FEb party went well . As I type this - a glass of wine to you!

[Jdieck]

Thanks Bob, the party was great, ate like a pig. Now on a diet to lower what I gained and get my sugar back to normal

Enjoy your vacation as you have some threads waiting!!

[RMC]

I have finally tied off most of the lines to the fore bitts.  They came out reasonably well (though not nearly as well as Jose's).

 

This is how they came out.

 

Now I'm not sure of the next step - do all of the yards on the foremast? or the lower yards on each mast?  Advice is very welcome.

 

 

The following photo isn't as clear as it could be, and I have made a minor adjustment to the lines since it was taken.

[Jdieck]

Your work is so neat. Looks very good.

[RMC]

It's time to hoist the main yard.  Looking at the number of lines that must be tied off around the bitts is rather daunting - by my count, sixteen.

 

(I see I still haven't quite got the hang of the new system.) The above photo shows the number of the various lines and the plan number in parenthesis.  The lines shown here as incorrect are found on plan 11 to be belayed to the poop deck rail. To do this is, I think, to invite disaster. I have chosen to use Petersson's method.  If anyone has something to add (or preferably to subtract), please let me know.

[RMC]

The main yard is now on, the truss pendants and the jeers are belayed, though not finally tied off.  In the diagram in my previous post, the nave line was omitted - that makes seventeen lines to be tied off somehow. I had more than enough fun  belaying the five lines so far done. At this stage I don't know whether to finally tie off these lines now  and make up their respective rope coils.  With another dozen lines to fit it, won't be possible to coil them all.

 

Here is how things stand at the moment.

The photo of the nave line is quite poor I'm afraid.

The fore and main yards are reasonably lined up. Adjustments can be made if necessary.

At the moment there seem to be lines going all over the place.

 

[Jdieck]

Hi Bob.

Be patient. It is looking very very good.

For what is worth, I had to tie more than half the lines to the rail in front of the mast.. If you look at pics of the model prototype, it seems that Chris did it that way. Seems not to be other practical option.

Also you can consider tieing the lines and add false coils later. 

 

Best regards and keep up the good work.

[RMC]

Thanks for the encouragement Jose. I have been doing my best to forget about belaying lines for the time being. Unfortunately I chose to put up the fore top yard which requires a parral to attach to the mast. I looked to Petersson for the method of mounting the parral  as well as a few build logs. Alas, I am no wiser.  In particular the illustrations in Petersson are essentially useless - at least to me.  Here they are.

 

So far, so good ....

I used a dummy mast and yard to see how the thing may work.

 

And here is how it is supposed to end up, though how is a mystery to me.  Help would be gratefully received.

[RMC]

Thanks Arthur.  I'm just about to try your method having exhausted mine.  My swear box is already full - I now have enough to buy a house, new car and a block of flats.  Blood pressure tablets? already taken, but maybe a back-up or two may be wise ....

[Valter64]

Hello

great model !!!

 

What chip you use for led light?

 

Regards

Valter

[woodo]

Fantastic modelling, all that realistic detail, very clean and neat.........hope I reach this kind of quality some day..............

 

Cheers,

 

Koen.

[RMC]

Valter - thanks for the kind comment - but as far as the 'chip' is concerned, I'm afraid you have the wrong man.

 

Hi Koen - thank you too for the kind comment.

 

 

[Jdieck]

Hi Bob:

Arthur described the process to install the parrals very well and the final product is closer to scale. In any case there is a short cut that may not be pure scale but the difference may be barely noticeable.

Get a thread of good lenght, the longer the easier. Thread one end through the bottom of the yard and the other throught the top of the yard on one side of the mast. Thread the parrals and ribs on both the bottom and the top threads. Pass the threads on top and bottom of the yard on the oposite side of the mast and tie both ends in front of the yard, apply some glue to the knot, cut the excess thread and you are done.

[RMC]

Thanks Jose.  I decided while considering the dreaded parrals, to mount the spritsail yard (I think this is known as avoidance).  The yard provide quite a bit of difficulty.  Gravity is always working against you. With a few more payments to the swear jar, the wretched thing is finally on and has turned out acceptably.  While all of that was going on, the blocks for the two upper forestays came away from the jib boom. I did not rejoice, particularly as it was caused by some rather inferior knot-tying earlier in my knot-tying career. It took four attempts to obtain an acceptable result. In the process I discovered a mistake in my rigging which at least I was able to correct - so at least something good came out it.

 

Here is some of the detail. I may have gone a bit overboard with the photos, but the thing is rather complicated and very crowded. These pictures may help some other poor souls who are yet to get to this stage.

 

 

 

 

How it looks - with lots of things still to be tied off.

 

 

[RMC]

Yes, there are a few odd things in the new format Arthur. For example, in searching for 'vanguard' (content)  it goes to the very first posts, then you must go to the next step in finding which post and where you would like to go in it. The intermediate step I find a little annoying.  As well, in the search option, I now have a list of about 15 search items that I can't get rid of. Still, there are worse things going on in the world.

 

No doubt you see here I'm still into avoidance. In fact I have put on the spritsail topsail yard - parral and all - but I stuffed up the very last knot and may have to re-do the whole thing.  However I have a cunning plan ....

[Roadking]

Beautiful and amazing work. I'm in awe. 

[RMC]

Thanks roadking.  With the prospect of trying to repair the knot on the spritsail topsail yard parral, a little encouragement is needed.  The wretched thing took a full morning to do.

[Jdieck]

Doing great Bob.. At least you did not break the dolphin striker like I did and had to replace it pins and all and of course its rigging too!!

Bu the way. Count the parral beads for each yard. I ran out of them and had to order a bunch to complete only three I was short.

[RMC]

The spritsail topsail yard is finally on. My cunning plan ended up like Baldrick's (in Backadder for those who may remember). I'm afraid I couldn't face the whole thing again so I cheated - and best of all, it worked.  I hope this shows the method.  The thread that passes over the middle of the ribs is shown here. An eye made on one end of a separate piece of thread .One of the threads passing though the ribs and trucks is passed through it and passed over the ribs.  It was eventually tied off on the yard.  The method enables everything to be done off the model except for the final tying off a couple of knots on the yard to finally attach it.

 

 

A trial run -

 

Now the big trick is to get a tolerant spouse to hold the yard while you tie it on. Good luck with that. If humans were fully evolved we would have an extra hand to hold things while the other two did the work.

 

The following photos are not in the order I would have chosen.  I have discovered that it apparently isn't possible to insert text below a photo if a line space has not already been provided.

 

[RMC]

I would make a small change to the positioning of the eye - making it over both the threads just after the knot joining the two threads near the yard.

[RMC]

The fore and main topsail yard tyes (ties?) are now causing angst - from where do they originate? The illustration on plan 9 shows them apparently springing somehow  from the cross trees.

 

 

 

Petersson shows the line made off to a sling of some sort around the mast above the cross trees.  This appears to be the solution but the space available is constrained by the topmast sheaves (I should have put them 2 or 3 mm higher than is shown on the plan (5)). While this is not the end of the world, it is a bit of a pain.

 

 

The question is whether the Petersson solution the correct one (or at least the most acceptable is the circumstances) or is there some other - correct -  method that is not shown?

 

Advice would be gratefully received.

[Tallshiptragic]

The Peterson is the correct fashion for the time. We had the topsail yards on the Endeavour replica in the same fashion. The blocks eye is attached to a sling of hemp line known as a jeer block strop which wraps around the mast above the shrouds. This crosses over itself front and back and is secured by a wooden chock on the mast allowing the weight from the block to be transferred to the opposite side. I've tried to upload a drawing for you but it won't allow me too for some reason. 

[Tallshiptragic]

Second try. 

 

The only blocks that attached to the cross trees will be those for the leach and bunt lines.

[RMC]

Thanks Anton for taking the time to reply. A drawing would be good, but I think I have the idea.

 

 

A minute later. Just received your drawing -  thanks very much.

[Tallshiptragic]

Not a problem, your Vanguard looks incredible and that rigging is absolutely brilliant! 

[Mirabell61]

On 22.3.2017 at 6:23 AM, RMC said:

Thanks Jose.  I decided while considering the dreaded parrals, to mount the spritsail yard (I think this is known as avoidance).  The yard provide quite a bit of difficulty.  Gravity is always working against you. With a few more payments to the swear jar, the wretched thing is finally on and has turned out acceptably.  While all of that was going on, the blocks for the two upper forestays came away from the jib boom. I did not rejoice, particularly as it was caused by some rather inferior knot-tying earlier in my knot-tying career. It took four attempts to obtain an acceptable result. In the process I discovered a mistake in my rigging which at least I was able to correct - so at least something good came out it.

 

Here is some of the detail. I may have gone a bit overboard with the photos, but the thing is rather complicated and very crowded. These pictures may help some other poor souls who are yet to get to this stage.

 

 

 

 

How it looks - with lots of things still to be tied off.

 

 

a beautiful built ship Bob,

 

love your rigging, it looks great...., and good looking pics taken !

 

Nils