rummy Posted March 23, 2013 #61 Posted March 23, 2013 Very nice work Pete.I like your mill.Looks like it's very accurate. Frames are vere nice. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Paddy Posted March 23, 2013 #62 Posted March 23, 2013 Pete, your mill work looks very clean and sharp. I've started a slush fund for my next possible buy for ship work and a mill is one of the items that keeps popping up on my shoulder. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #63 Posted March 24, 2013 Thank you Larry and Paddy for the comments, A mill is a nice item to have, mine is the sherline and am very happy with it. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #64 Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) I have now cut all the notch with my mill in the fames. Still have 2 frames left to be glued. Hopefully tommorrow. With that done I can now glue up my keel and false keel and get them mounted to my building board. Have been using the keel itself to check and size the notchs I wanted to try the black paper approach to simulate the caulking at least 1 time so I fiqured this is the simplest place to try it. I started by glueing the false keel to the black paper itself. I had heard somewhere that when using the paper it would weaken the joint, so I treated it like it was just another piece of wood to glue between the two. After the glue had dried I then glued and clamped the keel to it After the glued had dried on this assemble I scrapped the excess glue off. Dome some light sanding with a sanding stick with 80grit then used a razor blade to scrape to get the final finish on the piece. I have left the false keel long on each end so that I can mount it securely to the build board with no worries of it moving. This was the first time using the black paper and will propably be my last. I will go back to the pencel to simulate any caulking that I will do. The paper when sanding down can leave a mess on the wood that was a bit of a pain to get cleaned off. Even though it looks okay. Edited March 24, 2013 by Pete38 fatih79 1 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
russ Posted March 24, 2013 #65 Posted March 24, 2013 Pete: Nice work on the keel assembly. Everything looks very nealy done. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #66 Posted March 24, 2013 Thank you Russ, much appreciated. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #67 Posted March 24, 2013 Since the last 2 frames are in process of being glue decided to start the treenails on the frames. First I cut a piece of heavy plastic (from screw container) and made a template for the treenail positons. This in order to repeat my pattern with all the frames. This idea was taken from some previous post on MSW1 (I had seen this in chad86 build) Temporary attach to the frame with a little tape and mark the locations of the treenails with a pick I marked the hole this way instead of using the plastic patten on the dremmel drill press so the hole would not loose their loaction isabuncu 1 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #68 Posted March 24, 2013 I set up my dremmel workstaion with a scrap piece of wood on the bottom to prevent tearout in the frames as the bit passes through. Made sure the drill bit (.310 size) was square with the base Then drilled the marked holes all the way through the frame. Being carefull to back the bit out multiple time to clean so as to keep the hole drilling straight. I then started to install the treenail in the frame (using bamboo treenail) When dry fitting the treenail in the frame there was no problem getting the treenail all the way through the frame, but when adding some waterdowned glue, this would swell the bamboo just enough to make it a problem getting all the way through. Have to work fast in order to make it in one length of treenail isabuncu and fatih79 2 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #69 Posted March 24, 2013 Here are the finished treenail in one of the frames after doing a little sanding with some 320grit paper fatih79 and isabuncu 2 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Paddy Posted March 24, 2013 #70 Posted March 24, 2013 Excellent Pete. Looking very good and I appreciate you documenting your treenail install. Do you use a jeweler’s draw plate to size the bamboo? 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #71 Posted March 24, 2013 Thanks Paddy. I use the draw plate from Jim Byrnes If you read this tread on treenails http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/740-treenails/page-2#entry25444 it talk about the byrnes and jeweler's drawplate (one made for wood the other made for metal) Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
russ Posted March 24, 2013 #72 Posted March 24, 2013 Pete: That is very accurate work. One thing to consider is to use a drill bit that is a touch larger than your treenails. That will allow it to swell a bit with the glue. I would keep the bit you are using and just give the treenail stock an extra pull or two through the last hole in the plate you used. Just enough to give it a breath of clearance. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
Paddy Posted March 24, 2013 #73 Posted March 24, 2013 I received my Jim Byrnes draw plate about a 2 weeks ago. Haven’t had a chance to try it as yet. Looks like I made a good choice and will plan on using it and Russ’ notes about treenails to put it to work with this project. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
Pete38 Posted March 24, 2013 Author #74 Posted March 24, 2013 Good advice Russ, I will give it a try. Back to the drawplate Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
mtaylor Posted March 24, 2013 #75 Posted March 24, 2013 Pete, Those are some lovely frames. Nice and exact work on the treenailing. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Pete38 Posted March 25, 2013 Author #76 Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) Mark thanks for the nice compliment Just try to make it so I don't have to go back and make the frames over again. 50/50 chance so far Edited March 25, 2013 by Pete38 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
bbrockel Posted March 25, 2013 #77 Posted March 25, 2013 Very nice treenailing and frame construction. "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
mtaylor Posted March 25, 2013 #78 Posted March 25, 2013 Mark thanks for the nice compliment Just try to make it so I don't have to go back and make the frames over again. 50/50 chance so far Only 50-50? I must have done something wrong then. My scrapbox ate about 75% of my frames from this project. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Pete38 Posted March 26, 2013 Author #79 Posted March 26, 2013 Thanks Bob Mark Thats per 50/50 per frame Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
hopeful Posted March 26, 2013 #80 Posted March 26, 2013 (edited) Hey Pete, I echo what Kip just said about the restart of you build log. Beautiful build you have going. I find section models very interesting. Your build logs are always a joy to visit. Thanks for sharing your techniques and methods. Keep on..... BFN Cheers, Hopeful aka David “there is wisdom in many voices” Completed: Sharpie Schooner (Midwest) Posted in kit build log. Current: Sultana (MSW) Updating the build log and continuing on with the build Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Edited March 26, 2013 by hopeful Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory)
Long9Ron Posted March 26, 2013 #81 Posted March 26, 2013 Pete Your build is looking great. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
42rocker Posted March 26, 2013 #82 Posted March 26, 2013 Pete You are doing great. Later 42rocker Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
rummy Posted March 27, 2013 #83 Posted March 27, 2013 Nice work Pete. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
Pete38 Posted March 27, 2013 Author #84 Posted March 27, 2013 Thanks to all for the comments Hopefull...trying to find all my old Sultana pictures will start a post when I have time and find them all. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Pete38 Posted March 29, 2013 Author #85 Posted March 29, 2013 Just a small update. I have now all the frames glued up....rough sanded with the drum sander on the drill press... and the paper templated remove. Will now concentrate on the treenails for each frame before raising them. Here's a few pictures Could not resist just standing them on the building board ..keel for the pictures.. isabuncu and fatih79 2 Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
harvey1847 Posted March 29, 2013 #86 Posted March 29, 2013 Great job Pete! I do like the set square you have made with that round shape. It looks pretty secured with the screws and everything. It is also a neat contrast between the white layout and the wood of the frames and the keel. I´ll stay tuned for more. It´s looking good to me! Daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
russ Posted March 29, 2013 #87 Posted March 29, 2013 Pete: The frames are looking very good. Excellent work so far. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
Long9Ron Posted March 29, 2013 #88 Posted March 29, 2013 Very nice Pete. Frames are looking very good. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Rustyj Posted March 30, 2013 #89 Posted March 30, 2013 Looking really nice. I hope you are enjoying it as much as we are. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Snowmans Posted March 30, 2013 #90 Posted March 30, 2013 Great looking build. I knowwhat yoy mean about standing them up for the photo. Feels like you are making progress when the frames are in place.
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