Shazmira Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #121 Posted March 18, 2013 Yep, paper backed by two-sided tape. I found if I laid my strip of paper on the two-sided tape it was easier to cut such small pieces. The tape gave the paper more stability, and about the correct amount of thickness. For the color I just blended gold and black paint together until I had something that looked less gilded. For the door pulls I just wrapped some brass wire around the end of a drill bit and cut it into rings. I think Russ is right though, I need to round off those corners some. Maybe I can still modify it as it is since the poly will be completely dry when I get home from work tonight. If not, well sandpaper should take off both the poly and the paper and I can make some new hinge plates with rounded corners. Sjors, I think this is much more than a virus...was dreaming all last night about how to make my own windows...I think I have come up with a solution...I just need to find some yellowed (so it looks like there is a light on) film of some sort, and then I can do the leaded strips using thread, probably dipped in a gun metal colored paint. Now just to find the proper film. My next major hiccup is finding either a replacement piece for the frame of the upper gun port, or figuring out how to make my own frames. One of my dogs...I am betting the pug seems to have eaten one of the frames I can do a lot of things, but digging through dog poo looking for an 8mm square metal piece is not exactly in my wheelhouse! fish 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted March 18, 2013 Share #122 Posted March 18, 2013 Robbyn, Sometimes you just have to sacrifice some dignity for the sake of your model ship! Just think of the sentimental value you will have for that one gun port! -Aaron Quote “The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.” - Augustine Current Build: Artesania Latina San Francisco II 1:90 Scale On the Shelf: Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop 1:48 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #123 Posted March 18, 2013 HAHAHA, NO WAY Aaron....I will find another way! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted March 18, 2013 Share #124 Posted March 18, 2013 Haha! Robbyn, your thread is one of the most interesting reads on this forum! Full of obstacles. twists and unexpected stabbings! And this latest caper - who would of thought that the pug did it. Wait a minute...didn't you say you also had a cat? It would be just like a cat to set the pug up as a Patsy for this. While you are busy at work, the cat is batting the missing piece around in a rousing game of kitchen hockey. The game doesn't end until the piece is beyond paw's reach beneath the stove or refrigerator. I have seen this kind of thing before... On the other hand, if this truly is the work of the pug, the unique stomach acids of the pug may provide the ultimate etched patina to the missing part. This could lead to future posts of gravy covered gun ports! Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 18, 2013 Author Share #125 Posted March 18, 2013 OMG Buck, what a riot!!! Thanks for the laugh Nope, can't blame it on the cat, all the cats are outside. It is just pug...he thinks he is a vacuum cleaner and anything on the floor is edible! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 19, 2013 Share #126 Posted March 19, 2013 Robbyn, Just getting caught up with your build. I agree with the others, your hinges look really good. Your almost making me wish I never bothered with the expense of photo etching. For your yellow film, have you tried a photography store? Most of them still carry gel filters in all sorts of colors. Or, you mentioned you work at a collage, maybe try the auditorium/theater dept? Kitty Kitchen Hockey. HA! have to remember that term. Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share #127 Posted March 19, 2013 Couldn't get on the site last night, but all is not lost, I did manage to get the rest of my rubbing strakes installed instead, Whew!, looks like they are in the proper places this time!. Now I am back to where I was before the miscut gun ports and the hand injury....Finally moving forward!! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share #128 Posted March 19, 2013 Sam, actually went over the art dept. Their suggestion was a clear transparency, of which I have several in my office, and a light coat of golden oak stain. Instructor thought that would be the best color to simulate candlelight from inside the cabin. I will be heading home soon to test that theory. Had forgotten about the gels for the lights in the theater department, but that might definitely be an option if the stained transparency doesn't work. I reworked the hinges again last night...I am determined to get them right!!! Or maybe I am just delaying the cutting of those gun ports in my hull...can't imagine why I would hesitate lol. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted March 20, 2013 Share #129 Posted March 20, 2013 Yeah, this is one of the benefits of not having a dog !! I am not sure but a good model ship supplier that sells ships decorations separately for the scratch builder might be your best bet for a replacement. Steve Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted March 20, 2013 Share #130 Posted March 20, 2013 you could contact your suplier or artesania latina for a replacement gunport i had a look on their site and found this one . they have it 2 other sizes as well PUERTA CAÑON 7x7 MM Ref. 8206 Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 20, 2013 Share #131 Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) Robbyn, I am wondering how stain is going to work on the transparencies. Most stains are designed to work with a porous surface. You might need to stain a full sheet and let it start to set up then use a 1.5-2"dry brush and a rag to wipe it off to the level you want. It would be process similar to glazing a stain. You seal your wood, then stain on top using the the brush to pick up stain and wipe it off the brush with the rag. brush the whole page up and down wiping the brush off regularly and then left and right. As the stain starts to dry you should start to get a even tone. It might work for this, it may also just pool up on the acetate. A better option may be to try some paint or tint and an air brush if you have one. A mixture of raw sienna and burnt sienna might be a starting point. Maybe 3 parts burnt to 1 part raw sienna. There is a company called TintsAll that sells 1 oz tubes of UTC tints for a buck or two at paint stores and the big box home improvement stores. Mix it in to some naptha or mineral spirits. I have used oil based stains to do this on cabinets once or twice. It worked OK, not great, just ok. The stain takes so long ot dry on a smooth non-porous surface that it usually collects dust in the air and any on the brush. With the size of your window glass that may not matter. Have fun! I am very curious as to how it will turn out. What size gun ports do you need? I have two that look to be identical to the ones adriake posted, they are 11.8x13.4mm. They are yours if you want them. Sam Edited March 20, 2013 by src Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share #132 Posted March 20, 2013 I can find the gun ports Adrieke posted, I need just the frames for the upper gun ports. These particular frames have no hinges or anything as they were not designed to ever have a door on them. Everywhere I look, if I find the frames, they tell me they can't get them anymore. I will have to measure the frames when I get home tonight, had no access to the site last nite so did not see anyone's messages to get that answer to you earlier. If I have to, I think I have figured out a way to design and create my own frames, it seems so far everything I come up with in my sleep works very well. I will just have to get creative with making myself a 8mm square jig and a mounted blade tip to do the interior cutting. I know I am not explaining that right lol. I can see it perfectly in my head, just have to get it out there in physical form so I can take a pic and show you all what I mean. Tim, the stain on acetate is going so-so atm. I will be working with it some more tonight..I hope...my other half is making some grumbling sounds about how I spend every waking minute of my day either working on, or thinking about my model....I think he may be regretting buying this for me for Christmas...I better not dare tell him it also consumes every one of my sleeping moments as well. I can't tell exactly why he is grumbling...I work right next to his recliner while he zones out in front of the TV. Think maybe he resents the fact I haven't given up, even after all the mishaps, I believe he thought I would chuck it after a couple weeks and things would go back to "normal"! fish 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted March 20, 2013 Share #133 Posted March 20, 2013 Hi Robbyn, It looks that you are moving to the dark side. You can see it in your head and you make it…. I see other things in my head and I can NOT make it! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share #134 Posted March 20, 2013 Well I have been busy the last few days, but actual progress is very slow I am continuing the rework of my doors. I decided they needed a door jam of sorts, so I bent some of my mahogany strips and glued it to the doors. Then I spent some time sanding the jams to the proper depth (at least eyeballing a depth that looks like it will work) Today I worked on installing my hinges...I cheated and found some tubes in the jewelry making section of Walmart...i think they look okay...better than I could probably form out of thin brass anyway. made new door pulls, again jewelry making wire that I wrapped around a drill bit, then cut into rings Also completed assembly of the stern balcony...talk about a pain in the butt! And of course installed my rubbing strakes...correctly this time I might add I have also put on a coat of clear satin poly...I am tired of the mahogany veneer splintering and chipping on me every time I touch it. I am hoping this will make it more stable. I still have a lot of work to do, but I will let that poly dry for 48 hours before I attempt gluing anything to it. In the meantime I will continue work on the windows I am making. I still need to make those brass hinge plates for the doors, but what I ordered to make them out of will not be delivered until Saturday. so if I finish the windows I think I can start making the tracks that go over the rubbing strakes while the poly dries. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted March 20, 2013 Share #135 Posted March 20, 2013 Robbyn: Nice work on the doors. I think the mahogony strips give the doors some depth and definition. The hinges look good. Nice work. Russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted March 20, 2013 Share #136 Posted March 20, 2013 Robbyn, Love those hinges and the jams too. Looks like the doors should actually open and your pulls look pretty similar to mine just probably a lot more work than snipping from costume jewelry. All in all, while it is only a door... I think the dark side is fun and I like it there. First doors, wooden crows nest are next, then.... who knows. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted March 20, 2013 Share #137 Posted March 20, 2013 I think you improvised well on the hinges. Making note of that idea. Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share #138 Posted March 20, 2013 Jeff, if you are ever in the jewelry making section of a hobby store you would be amazed at the items there that you can look at and say to yourself..."hey I can use this to make this ship part"! Randy, what can I say, the dark side is calling lol! I too will need to make crow's nests...but i am a long way away from that yet! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted March 20, 2013 Share #139 Posted March 20, 2013 Robbyn, Did you stain the railing on your poopdeck ebony? Did you put any planks on it before hand? I was working on mine last night, planking all the little pieces with cherry and staining them. -Aaron Quote “The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page.” - Augustine Current Build: Artesania Latina San Francisco II 1:90 Scale On the Shelf: Model Shipways Armed Virginia Sloop 1:48 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted March 20, 2013 Share #140 Posted March 20, 2013 I know what you mean Robbyn. I just bought 4 spools of jewelry/craft wire for use on my models; black, silver, copper, and brass. I'm sure I can find a use for all of it. I'm using the black wire as rigging on my gunports. Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share #141 Posted March 20, 2013 Aaron, yes I stained the rail ebony. I really like that contrast. I only planked the deck part of the balcony, with the included mahogany strips. Left the post the natural color they came in. Jeff, yep, I have all that wire too....still thinking I might use it to fashion my chain plates with it, as I don't like the looks of the heavy brass strip ones. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful Posted March 20, 2013 Share #142 Posted March 20, 2013 Hi Robbyn, Your build is coming along nicely. Every moment you spend perfecting your skill will pay huge dividends in the quality of your build. A martini here and there along the way might help relieve the tedium. Keep on you are almost there....... Cheers, Hopeful aka David Quote Completed Sharpie Schooner: (Midwest) Current: Sultana (MS) Current: Phantom (MS) Next: Lady Nelson (Amati Victory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 21, 2013 Share #143 Posted March 21, 2013 Robbyn, Nice work. Its very satisfying pull off something you have never done before. As for the spousal grumbling, I ran into the same situation here. To keep the peace I committed to one weeknight reading with her rather than building. Worked for us. Of course that does not include "Datenight Friday" Maybe a kit for his birthday? Sam Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share #144 Posted March 21, 2013 Sam, I am thinking he needs a kit, we could build side by side and bond over it! Maybe I will look at one for him to do, problem is his tastes seem to run to the really expensive kits when he looks at them! Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted March 21, 2013 Share #145 Posted March 21, 2013 As long as you don't .. Uh.. bond...over crazy glue... Sorry....couldn't help myself... Andy Bedford and Shazmira 2 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted March 21, 2013 Share #146 Posted March 21, 2013 Hi Robbyn! I was fooling around with some shellac tonight and did a quick test on a piece of a cellophane wrapping to see if the color might work for your windows. The drop on the "77" is garnet shellac from the jar on the left and the drop on the "66" is blonde shellac from the jar on the right. The blonde is too clear I think. The glob to the left of the garnet shellac is varnish and it was way too thick. I put a drop of thinner in the middle of it and it is too clear and still too thick. If you would like to experiment with some garnet shellac, send me a pm and I'll mail you enough shellac flakes to mix up a cup. P.S. -I hope your other half can get into ship building with you! Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted March 22, 2013 Share #147 Posted March 22, 2013 Hey Robbyn I don't know if this would be helpfull or not but I posted consctruction pics of the replica Endeavour made in Perth in 1993, http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1207-endeavour-replica-construction-pics/ If nothing else you can see just how woefully inaccurate the rudder hinges supplied with a kit are. It might help with the line of external timbers though. Steve Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 23, 2013 Author Share #148 Posted March 23, 2013 Buck, thank you very much for the offer...I did find some old gels for the spotlights over in the defunct theatre department, I played around with them today and think they will work even better. Steve, thanks for that link. I saved the site because i found it fascinating to see it in real size like that, thank you very much. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted March 23, 2013 Author Share #149 Posted March 23, 2013 Buck, thank you very much for the offer...I did find some old gels for the spotlights over in the defunct theatre department, I played around with them today and think they will work even better. Steve, thanks for that link. I saved the site because i found it fascinating to see it in real size like that, thank you very much. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted March 23, 2013 Share #150 Posted March 23, 2013 Wow, you must have appreciated it to thank me twice Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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