GLakie Posted January 31, 2015 Share #181 Posted January 31, 2015 She looks great with the sails on her Matt! mattsayers148 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted January 31, 2015 Share #182 Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) I see an easy solution to the problem, Matt ... and it will also prove to be technically correct. Take your sails and spars, a whole pile of rigging line and the blocks you made ... Next, get a bottle (or two) of suitable fluid ... Then, invite your navy mate over and have him solve the problem for both of us !!! Simple, really. Edited January 31, 2015 by CaptainSteve mattsayers148, dgbot and GLakie 3 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share #183 Posted January 31, 2015 Hey George, Thank you for stamp of approval. I just figured I should finish the boat so that I can focus on all the little details. Matt GLakie 1 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share #184 Posted January 31, 2015 Hey CaptainSteve, Haha! Yeah neither one of us drink, maybe some tea and crumpets? I have this sneaking suspicion that he spent more time in the Asian brothels than studying seamanship! Matt CaptainSteve, jburchfield1@wowway.com, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted January 31, 2015 Share #185 Posted January 31, 2015 Ah well, I guess we can't all choose model-ship building as our hobby ... mattsayers148 and GLakie 2 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share #186 Posted January 31, 2015 Hey CaptainSteve, There's supposed to be a model ship in a museum over in Tillamook Oregon(on the Pacific coast)that my great grandfather built many, many years ago. Also my Grandpa(grandmas husband) helped build a dugout canoe when he was a child living on the Siletz Indian reservation(same coast about 100 miles south of Tillamook). That one is also displayed in a museum. I've only seen each one a couple times, but next time I need to take pictures. Maybe it's in the blood. Matt CaptainSteve and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyman Posted January 31, 2015 Share #187 Posted January 31, 2015 My friend, you're an alien for me. Seriously. Your skills are ungodly. I must kill you and steal your skills to conquer the world! GLakie, CaptainSteve, dgbot and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds: RMS Titanic's Lifeboat USS Constitution Cross-section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share #188 Posted January 31, 2015 Thanks Monkeyman, I have to give credit to the others in this forum. If it weren't for them, and a pesky squirrel problem, I'd have one boring, bland boat(say that five times really fast). Most everything has been based on many other masters before me. I just try and follow their footsteps. Matt GLakie 1 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share #189 Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Here are a couple of pictures of what a typical ships boat looked like when set up for useing the windlass for lifting a ships anchor. The difference between standing(tack to mast) and dipping(tack to bow) lugs. This model has dipping lug sails. These Images show how the sail is bent to the spars. Also the head earring configuration. The rigging for a dipping sail was extremely simplistic with only the spar attached at the mast. Often time a boat of this size would have a standing main sail and a dipping sail for the other. So it may seem to be that both sails on this boat were dipping lug sails. It was a bit of a process to "dip" the sail from one side to the other. Because of this, in severe weather many boats would have the sails on opposite sides, both being reefed. Only one sail would be used at a time, the other lowered. This way they could quickly use either sail depending on wind direction and heading. I got nothing done on my boat so I could find every bit of info on these sails. This info taken in consideration, it would appear that the rigging set up described on the plans are actually accurate. This is a bit of a surprise to me, kinda shot down all the rigging plans I had in my head. Edited February 1, 2015 by mattsayers148 jburchfield1@wowway.com, Canute, Salty Sea Dog and 3 others 6 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted February 1, 2015 Share #190 Posted February 1, 2015 Hmm. Guess that I should reconsider just tying a rag to a stick... GLakie, CaptainSteve, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share #191 Posted February 1, 2015 Hey Buck, Well I've got one of my sails bent the correct way, working on the second. Man I spent like 7 hrs researching the makeup of these sails. I had these sails all done in my head and now it's back to square one. I might just furl them now. Still thinking. Matt GLakie 1 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share #192 Posted February 1, 2015 Here's my sails reattached, the "proper" way the info shows. Keith_W, dgbot, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted February 1, 2015 Share #193 Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) Nice piece o' research there, Matt. Bit late for me as I've already added the grommets (and streaks of rusting water stains) to my sails. Edited February 1, 2015 by CaptainSteve mattsayers148 and GLakie 2 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share #194 Posted February 1, 2015 Hey CaptainSteve, I just had to go overboard...I felt better not knowing! Oh boy oh boy, my dreams are shattered. Matt GLakie and CaptainSteve 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathead Posted February 1, 2015 Share #195 Posted February 1, 2015 Ah, knowledge, the font and curse of happiness... Canute, GLakie and mattsayers148 3 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share #196 Posted February 1, 2015 Ya know Cathead, that's a good point. They say that "mans greatest fear is the unknown", maybe it's actually the fear of the known! GLakie 1 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Share #197 Posted February 2, 2015 I decided to reef the sails...for now. They're high for now so I have a better view of the inside of the boat. There's something floating around in my head, just don't know what yet. At least now it's I'm my face all the time while I move on. Cap'n Rat Fink, GLakie, msberkman and 2 others 5 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share #198 Posted February 3, 2015 Thanks to everyone for the likes. After getting my 3.25X glasses, I was able to do the turning much better. After I did the five chisels, the three large slicks I had previously made looked like crap. So I remade them and gave them their own pouch. Also, I finished whipping my tiller, and yes, that's it for the whipping. I'm currently working on the oarlocks(rowlocks), barrels and more tools. Canute, msberkman, GuntherMT and 5 others 8 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share #199 Posted February 4, 2015 Thanks to everyone for all the likes. So I finished my rigging...I think. I spent too much time think, so I grabbed my rope and let the squirrels out. As seen, I went with connecting lower corners of sail to a double block on the mast. Then I ran the lines through two sets of single blocks and back to the rear mast thwart. I may change around the pulley setup a bit, but for now I think that's it. Matt jburchfield1@wowway.com, Keith_W, GuntherMT and 5 others 8 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted February 4, 2015 Share #200 Posted February 4, 2015 Your stuff looks great are you sure you are not using a shrinking ray gun. David B Salty Sea Dog, CaptainSteve, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted February 4, 2015 Share #201 Posted February 4, 2015 Looks great Matt! I think I figured your secret out. It's the Squirrel's Magic Dust!! Cheers mattsayers148 and CaptainSteve 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share #202 Posted February 4, 2015 Thanks guys, I had to stop and realize I'm a modeler, not a sailor! Matt CaptainSteve and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted February 4, 2015 Share #203 Posted February 4, 2015 Nice rope work, Matt !! I reckon your solution will be the way to go. GLakie and mattsayers148 2 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share #204 Posted February 4, 2015 Hey CaptainSteve, I just couldn't see how it would work itself out in my head, so I had to jump into the deep end and hope the squirrels would save me! I think your idea of the buntlines would work just as well. In the one drawing it looks like the bunt line wraps from the mast area and loops underneath possibly up to the spar? If so that should gather up the sail as much as this way, just more in the middle. I just had seen some crackpot on YouTube making a sailboat in his backyard. He had 3 ropes to 3 pulleys, joined into one pull cord, it definitely looked sinkable! Matt CaptainSteve and GLakie 2 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted February 4, 2015 Share #205 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) I think the best way will be for me to do the same as you ... just hang a couple of blocks, start stringing away, and see where the squirrels wanna go. (At least they have your map to follow, if they get lost !!) Edited February 4, 2015 by CaptainSteve Canute, mattsayers148 and GLakie 3 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janet bode Posted February 4, 2015 Share #206 Posted February 4, 2015 Hi Matt Like your sails,i have just completed my sails for my Red Dragon Chinese junk it has taken me three attemps (thats three sets of sails) nine in all i made before i got one set i liked.It is difficult to get info on junks in the kit it does not show the bolt rope but i have decided to add the bolt rope as i think there would be one.love your workmanship. Dearesr regards janet B mattsayers148 and GLakie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted February 5, 2015 Share #207 Posted February 5, 2015 Where do I find the nuts to get those squirrels working for me. David B GLakie, CaptainSteve and mattsayers148 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share #208 Posted February 5, 2015 Hey CaptainSteve, I'm tellin ya, them damn rigs! If I were still a drinking man, that'd be about a fifth of Yukon Jack to get em done! Get your rope n wax and crack open a cold one...or two...or three, and be the boat. Once you get a few lines going, it actually seems to go real fast(I stress "seems"). Good luck. So I got off early today. I started at 4am, got home around 1pm...wait..that's not early! Anyways I decided to pull out the big nuts(for the squirrels!) and chip away at some more tools. The big ones called a goosewing axe. Hey Janet, Thank you. I'll check your build, I'm sure the sails are beautiful. My aunts name is Janet. What's funny is that in my endless search for info on the dipping lug sails, I kept getting directed to junk boats. I've always loved their sails and definitely have one in my future some day. So what are you going to do with the oops sails? Maybe make a scaled down model and reuse? Hey Dave, Did you know that Oregon is the largest supplier of hazel nuts in the world?(or filberts, depends who you're talking to) I'd definitely give them a go! Thing is they get real rowdy and tend to take over! dgbot, CaptainSteve, GLakie and 2 others 5 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted February 5, 2015 Share #209 Posted February 5, 2015 LOL! Nothing worse than out-of-control squirrels! dgbot and mattsayers148 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsayers148 Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share #210 Posted February 5, 2015 Hey George, Them lil suckers are literally going nutz! GLakie 1 Quote Matt - aka The Squirrel Whisperer Current builds - Benjamin W. Latham by Matt Competed builds - USS Ranger by Matt HMS Bounty Launch by Matt 18th Century 10" Sea Mortar by Matt 18th Century Naval Smoothbore by Matt Future builds - Willie L. Bennett Chesapeake Bay skipjack (MS) Half Moon (Corel) Emma C Berry Lobster Smack (MS)US Brigantine Eagle (Corel) New Bedford Whaleboat (MS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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