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Online pirate sites and unscrupulous merchants to avoid


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I came across a website called "Bestship models .com" recently. Being interested in the Endeavour I ordered a set of plans at a cost of $23.50- £14.53 from them.This was on 17th August. As I had not heared from them by 30th August I sent them an Email asking when I could expect the plans to be delivered. I still hadn't heared from them by 5th September & Emailed again . I am still waiting for a reply. Am I being impatient or does anyone have any information on this company? Any help much appreciated. Geoff



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Hi Geoff

If you have paid already it might be an idea to get your credit card company to

reverse the charge

I don't know the company  but I don't like the smell of it

 

Ken


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I paid by debit card on 17th August, it may be too late for a refund? What really concerns me is this. If this company is ripping people off then maybe they should be blacklisted like some kit manufacturers are, or is this a knee jerk reaction?



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Always use Paypal. I can recall other issues with this company which has been discussed on this forum.
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We had a thread on this firm at "MSW1" in which some said that this firm (and some other firm, using almost the same name which I now forgot) was selling plans of which they did not have the copyrights, had a somewhat sloppy service, and was to be avoided....

They have a phone-numer on their site, you could give it a try....

Jan


Edited by amateur, 09 September 2014 - 07:44 AM.

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if you look at their website it looks so authentic & genuine & as I joined MSW after the crash I didn't know that this company had been "Discussed" before, Oh well, you live & learn!



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That site is a pirate site and most of the time, you won't get the goods you've ordered.  Have a look here:http://modelshipworl...d-moved-by-mod/

 

While we're at it:  http://modelshipworl...cturers-on-msw/


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thanks Mark.I am aware of the banned kit manufacturers but not plan suppliers,can they be added to the list to warn the unwary like myself?


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I'm sorely tempted to Email this company & tell them they are blacklisted by the MSW/ NRG but I need permission first, what do the administrators think?


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Geoff,

 

They know they're banished and they don't care.  There's been some interaction between the admins and them and like I said, they just don't care.


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so, basically what you are saying is they are untouchable? I guess I will have to put it down to experience, but what do they hope to gain by behaving in such a despicable way? I wish I knew where they lived! I would love to see their name appear on the banned list



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Geoff,

 

This informational only... a quick google for the whois info returns what you're looking for.  Here's a sample link:  http://bestshipmodel....ipaddress.com/


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Mark

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thanks for that Mark.



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No problem, Geoff.   I didn't address your other question about their behavior.  Best answer is "money is the root of all evil", so follow the money.   And I believe this site is in the banned kit list with some other sites.  We can't catch them all nor can we really post them as unless someone admits to having the plans from the pirates, our hands are tied as far as banning the build. 

 

We can only hope that our members are honest and want to support those who put in the hours to make a plan and that they would never knowingly buy a pirated plan, but I suspect that's not always the case.


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Mark

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Thanks once   again Mark. I don't think any member will ever post a build from their plans, if like myself they can't get their hands on them anyhow!  IF by chance (ha ha) my plans arrive guess where they are going? Clean answers only please!!


Edited by geoff, 10 September 2014 - 07:48 PM.

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Geoff,

 

Long ago, I had purchased something from this outfit. They're in Israel, I believe. I think it is either run by, or they work with, a guy who is a ship modeler. I did receive the plans I ordered, but you could tell they were copied from some kit, but not one that I'd ever seen or heard of. I think it was some Eastern European manufacturer. As far as I know, they might actually have the rights to sell the stuff, but there was something just not quite right in my dealings with them.

 

The plans had no scale on them, belaying plans were numbered, but there was no guide as to what the numbers corresponded to. Lots of issues like that. So, the plans ended up being worthless. I've since warned ship modeling sites about them. One old site used to be a "dealer" for them, but after I and a few others complained about the company, they decided to break their ties.

 

I suspect you'll get your plans and they may or may not be useful, but I think we're all better off not dealing with them. Not much you can do beyond that except learn from it.

 

Clare


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Interesting. I looked at their site today after reading this thread. They were offering two different sets of the Connie. I at 1:76 and another at 1:93. I do not know of any other manufacturers that have the Connie at 1:93 other than Mamoli. So I suspect these sets are Model Shipways and Mamoli.


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They also ripped off a bunch of the ANCRE plans and as I understand it, the plans are "wonky" in that they're not square in any direction.  Badly distorted.

 

Anyway, back to modeling.....


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Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0

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Bill, call your bank, but I believe you have 30 days to dispute charges on your card and issue a chargeback.


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There is another site: bestscalemodels. Is that a valid one, or is it also a site to avoid?

Jan


Edited by amateur, 12 September 2014 - 07:33 AM.

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