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Good day to all the modelers. I'm very fond of 17th century Dutch ships. That's why I decided to build a pinnace. Why here? The reason is in the author of the plans. Ab Hoving offered me that if I presented the structure here, we could discuss a lot of issues publicly. Plans for this ship can be found in various places: Ab Hoving - Nicolaes Witsen and shipbuilding in the Dutch Golden Age Ab Hoving - Dutch merchant ships And here again - https://nautarch.tamu.edu/shiplab/AbHoving.htm Antony Talen - http://blessed4789.byethost11.com/2018/07/24/pinas/?i=1 According to information from Aba, the 3D model site should also be launched by the end of February, I will add the link. Before I go into construction, I'd like to ask: I found the year of construction 1671 - is that a good thing? Are there any plausible paintings, drawings - not this particular one, perhaps, but similar ships? The text that you drew this boat from - is it available anywhere? I can't imagine how to draw a plan on just any contract. Is there a Dutch archive on the Internet where you can get information?
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Berlin 1674 by Strelok - 1:100
Strelok posted a topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1501 - 1750
Hi guys, After finishing my brandenburgian Golden Yacht, I was quite sure, that my next build would be a spanish 22-gun frigate in 1/63rd scale. But as I have neither the tools nor the money for the wood, guns and so on, I kept on looking for my next build. A few days ago, I found the plans for a ship called "Fregatte Berlin" and decided, to give them a try. Concerning the ship's history: She was a dutch-built pinnace (and not a frigate^^) and part of the electorial brandenburgian fleet - just like the Yacht. She was built in 1674 and entered brandenburgian service in the following years. In her first years, she was used for trading with the brandenburgian colonies in west africa and fought the spanish in the war of 1680/81 in the carribean. There she was part of a small fleet of five ships, which managed to capture two spanish galleons. Her end is unknown, but she remained in brandenburgian service at least until 1684. I am not quite sure, how I will build her: paper or wood? Only the hull or fully rigged? If wood, then painted or not? Over the last days, I worked on the plans. Your comments and advices are deeply welcome! -
Welcome back... after some problems with old MSW my logs and not only mine were lost... so now I'll try restore what I wrote before... So... I'm building dutch pinnce from XVII century. Vessel was built in Dutch shipyard and then serve few years in Dutch Navy... after all Navy sold ship in 1623 to Swedish Navy. This vessel participate in the battle of Oliwa (coast of Poland) in 1627... battle was part of war between Poland and Sweden. In 1929 vessel came back to the waters of Bay of Gdańsk to took part with other vessels in blockade of the City of Gdańsk. She was sank in 1644. I'm using pear wood for entire model (except deck which was made using birch wood and carvings which is pau marfin) Rest information you 'll find in following logs... That how model looks after one year... ...and some picture from the beginning... ...and some picture of my gratings (1,5mmx1,5mm)... ...nails imitation made using 0,2mm brass wire... Best regards, Matt
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I’ll be attempting, without the use of a safety net, for your amusement, a build of the Model Shipway’s English Pinnace. It seems to me that a junior shipwright should try to tackle all the skills and tasks that model ship building has to offer. This model presents a direct assault on a principle task new to me: the dreaded planked hull. This kit is one of Chuck @Chuck Passaro’s designs and is my first kit with humane instructions (kudos to Chuck!).
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My Pegasus build was my last foray into the world of 1:64 scale Square Rigged ships. My future projects will consist of larger scale models of smaller vessels. Chuck's beautifully designed kits of the Pinnace and the Longboat fall perfectly into this category, and the Pinnace will be my new project. I used the Pinnace plans to produce the reduced scale scratch versions for my Pegasus build. It has been some six years since I last planked a hull and I'm feeling quite ring rusty, so I will have to do some serious revision of the art. Not quite decided as yet whether to go with the provided Limewood, or upgrade to Boxwood There are some excellent Pinnace builds on MSW as well as Chuck's own exemplary build, and I am grateful to the work of Mike Y and MikeB4 whose logs I will browse to assist my own effort. May be a while before I have anything to usefully show, but here's the 'mini' version as a place holder. Cheers, B.E.
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I am about to start this build in an attempt to de emphasise the amount of work, and in particular repetitive work, that lies ahead for me in building my HMS Surprise. In the very early stages I am told to apply candle wax to former edges to prevent adhesion whilst laying the planking. This is necessary as the formers must be removed and modified afterwards and the new sections replaced and glued in. Two questions: Is candle wax the best medium for this work and do i need to edge glue the planks? The model is triple planked in, firstly, 1mm x 7mm Walnut then 1mm x 6mm Lime wood and, lastly, 1mm x 6mm Walnut. Once I have some work to show off I will post photographs and comments. If anyone has a build log for this model I would love to see it. In advance....my thanks for any comments or suggestions. Mike.
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This kit wasn’t planned. I was struggling to find a suitable ship’s boat for my Royal Caroline when I came across Blue Ensign’s excellent Pegasus build log. B.E. based his boat on Model Shipway’s Pinnace, scaling down the plans to his smaller scale. I decided to do the same. I was pleased with the result, and am looking forward to completing the kit as intended. I debated whether or not to start a log – there are already several very good Pinnace logs on the forum and I wasn’t sure I would be able to add anything useful. However I decided that logs aren’t just about showcasing advanced skills, they’re also about those of us with more modest abilities learning as we go, and especially learning from our mistakes and sharing those experiences. I scratch built the small version from boxwood, but for this model I plan to use the supplied timber for the frames, keel, stem and stern post then mill my own planks and internal fittings. The other decision I've made in advance is to leave out the rather strange extension piece at the stern. As the original model and plans were by Chuck Passaro I'm sure this extension is historically accurate, however I just find it odd. I'm sure a practically-minded captain would have drawn the line at such a fragile and seemingly useless piece of decoration! I left it out on the Caroline build and I liked the result so I'll do the same here. Anyway, I'm looking forward to a comparatively short project and my first build log.
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After completing the English Longboat, this build of the English Pinnace seems like the next logical project for me. I placed an order with Wood Project Source for some hard maple. This order covers the planking and various other aspects of the build. The laser cut parts from the kit will be used, of course. I'm very curious how it is to work with hard maple. A photo of the plans, practicum, and my planking fan is included for your enjoyment while I procrastinate on creating a building board for this project. Welcome! Steve
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I'm back to start a new project. This time I'm going to attempt to build the English Pinnace. This is in a larger scale than the eighteenth Century long boat that I built last, but is still going to be a challenge to plank. I'm going to attempt to bend the strakes with heat only and not use any water. This is the advice that Chuck gives in his video. I'll see how that goes for me.
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It has long baffled me How many of the great modelers make such superb work boats That service the sailing ships of old. I had made many attempts but always felt that the finial product fell short of the Main ship model. One day i came across A post that suggested that these magnificent miniature boats were made using a mold. I looked everywhere to find a paper or video to help me try but never found a complete process. So i decided to try to develop the process and recorded my work on video. The first one did not pop out of the mold but the second one did. The finial product was great if i may say so myself. Attached are the tree videos on the project. Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
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Searching for inspiration, I came across some models for 18th century pinnaces. There were large 32 foot pinnaces and many smaller examples to look at. I was particularly fond of a model from the NMM in Greenwich. It was a model of a 21 foot long single banked pinnace from around 1750. It would make an excellent subject for this mini project. It has a paneled interior and some decorative merits. I found an original draft on the NMM website that was almost identical to this small 4 oared pinnace. Things were started to come together nicely. I wasn’t necessarily thrilled with the color scheme shown on this model (pictured above) so I continued looking for some decorative alternatives. The pinnace was used a means of transport for a ship’s captain or other officers. It was not intended to be used to perform any other task. Tasks such as transporting water and other stores were normally left for the larger and heavier built boats like the longboat or launch. It was basically an officer’s private transport. It was designed to be rowed although larger pinnaces could be sailed. It wasn’t very seaworthy and was designed for primarily shore duties. After all, the officers did need a stylish way to get from their anchored ship to the dockyard. As such, the decorations were usually added much later at the officer’s and captain’s own expense. So here is my journey in creating this scratch built model. The frames are basswood and everything else will be Boxwood. You can download this full set of instructions below as a PDF. This was the prototype for the new Model Shipways kit. Click Here to download this practicum Chuck
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First of all, thanks to Chuck for designing that amazing kit. It's really a pleasure to build, everything is so well thought through! Especially after AL kit, not so well designed and with idiotic instructions If you care not only about the result, but a relaxing process - then buy that kit, you would not regret. The kit content quite standard - manual, laser cut details, various basswood strips for planking: End result should look as close to this teaser as possible: What's in between? Let's look in the manual: No, really not, the manual is the best I ever saw, you can take a look here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6432389/Pinnace/MS1458-Pinnace-Instructions.pdf I do not plan to make any interesting adjustments to the build, but will try to build it as accurate as I can. So maybe it would be interesting to beginners, nothing more. Would appreciate any kind of feedback and advices from a more experienced builders!
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Greetings all. After finishing a few kits it is time to venture into scratch building. Well, maybe a major kit bash anyway. I have decided to tackle Chucks English Pinnace using a Swiss Pear lumbering set I was lucky enough to get from Jeff at Hobby Mill before he retired. I will be replacing all the wood in the kit with the exception of the frames. Bob R.
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Brand-new to modeling and would like to start with a project that offers potential for reasonable success without being boring. I'm considering the 18th Century Pinnace or Longboat for a first project. I've read through Chuck's instructions and find them very clear and logical. My head seems equal to the task and I know my hands will learn as they work, but I am spooked because Model Shipways has labeled this kit as "Advanced". Can anyone speak to this question? Also, I see in other forum posts that kits sometimes go on sale. Is there a notice board or other means of being notified about sales? Thanks! Red
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