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Post One hundred and Four Gangways The sub-deck pieces slot neatly atop the skid beams held in position by the bulwark lugs. 2646 Separating the deck sections made it necessary for me to add a support beam at the forward end to support the joint against the Foc’sle breast beam. It struck me that on the plans there are no butt joints to the planking. The length of the Gangway is some 41’ which would suggest that some butt ends would be required. The planks would be fixed to the beams which are unevenly spaced across the waist with spaces of: 2@50mm 2@30mm, and 2@ 35mm. which makes it a little more difficult to work out a repeat pattern, but there are only six strakes. With an open sided gangway it is obvious if a butt join has nothing to support it beneath. 2649 I worked a system using scale planks of around 28’ maximum to utilise the available fixing points. I started with the innermost strake and worked towards outboard with a final spiled plank at the bulwark. This completes the Indy planking on my version. 2652 2660 2650 2651 2659 2656 2657 2653 I have to say that the Castello Boxwood supplied by Vahur at Hobbymill EU was a pleasure to use, excellent quality. Movin’ on. B.E. 06/11/2023
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Post One Hundred and three Foc’sle completion. 2627 The planking begins at the centre working outwards, roughly following the layout on Plan sheet C1. 2630 There are eight strakes of Joggled planks, to do each side, Fairly straightforward, it’s getting a clean cut that’s the tricky bit. 2629 Use of a scalpel and micro chisels simplify the procedure. Bowsprit partners These were fitted to ships, but one is not shown on the Indy plan. However, it struck me that the area of the deck around the Bowsprit looked unfinished. 2632 Based on my own preference I added one. It also had the advantage of covering the scars of the now removed posts. Hook 2633 Version four at last fitted. The dimensions were taken from the Adm Plan and scaled to 1:64. 2640 2635 2637 2644 2642 Just the gangways left to do, then a clean-up of the planking and a coat of flat varnish. B.E. 04/11/2023
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Obviously someone not up to speed in the latest developments in ship modelling, or who read any of the blurb before buying. I imagine that those fine craftsmen of the 18th century would have been highly delighted with plastic and resin had it been available at the time, at least for some of their requirements, they used what was available. B.E.
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I had a look back on my log and looking at the photos I took there doesn't seem to be that much difference at that stage. If you look at the manual p33 you can see the first planking finishes around the same point, and even shorter lower down. (deliberately) Remember this has to be fined down sufficiently to allow the second planking to fit the stern post. Carry on Mugje, you're doing a fine job. B.E.
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I wasn't quite expecting to find the spirketting so high above the topsides, no doubt due to some unrecognised error on my part way back in the build.🙄 You are correct tho' Ron, I do enjoy 'enhancing' kits where I can, doubles the pleasure of a build for me.😁 B.E.
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Post One Hundred and two Foc’sle stuff cont’d. A day spent fitting small sections of planking to suit the cut-away plan. Each one requires tapering to suit. Not difficult but time consuming. 2627 The tricky part is the eight or so strakes that will require joggling into the margin planks As an update from my previous post I have found a contemporary model of a large Frigate (Diana) 1794 which indeed does show a hook at the Foc’sle. As the razeed Indy plan also details this feature albeit at a slightly higher level, I grasped the nettle and removed those two uprights either side of the bowsprit. Necessary to fit a hook. The bulwark spirketting was clamped into place and given the heat treatment. I didn’t find it necessary to wet the wood. 2615 One potential issue is that the spirketting sits some 3mm above the outer bulwarks towards the fore end, including the top hole for the ring bolts. I can’t imagine how this has come about, all the other reference points seem to be correct. I resolved the issue by carefully shaving the bottom edge of the spirketting to bring things into line. 2623 With the spirketting glued into place, small additional pieces were required to be added, cut from matching fret. 2617 There is an untidy area where the topside planking meets the stem at the bow that could use a little fettlin’. It is mostly hidden once the Bowsprit is in place, but that’s no reason not to sort it. 2618 A simple job to tidy up the plank ends and slot in a filler piece. 2621 A bridging piece is now fitted over the top of the Bowsprit opening. The capping rails will eventually cover this. Still a lot of cleaning up to do but getting there. I can now work the hook and finish off around the bowsprit area. 2625 This is the second hook I am working on, tricky little beggar to get a good fit, and I may well end up with a third. B.E. 02/11/2023
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Thank you, Allan I’m not sure, my main concern is to improve authenticity where I can, given the kit limitations. The fore end of the kit is solid to provide a strong block to build the hull, which is perfectly ok as Chris designed the model to be fully planked which would hide all this raw stuff. 2106 As you can see on the photo the carlings end in mid air, and the Bowsprit step was originally fixed further forward, I moved it back to its proper position between the Bitt posts. The way I’ve designed my planking layout is to hide this stuff, a sort of smoke and mirrors job, but I can’t hide those posts fully open to view. Before I started to look in depth at this issue those two bulkhead extensions either side of the bowsprit looked odd to my eye, and I couldn’t find anything similar on contemporary models of large frigates of the time. The problem is that these Razees are anomalies, and you won’t find a hook on the foc’sle of specifically built frigates- as far as I know. An interesting little exercise ahead. B.E.
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Thank you Mugjie, Ron, and Allan, much appreciated, and thanks for all those 'Likes' Post One Hundred and Two Planking the Foc’sle This is the most difficult deck to plank by reason of the sharp curves to the bow. 2607 The Margin plank will need to be 7mm in width to cover the rough edges and bulkhead tops, and the severity of the curve rules out using strip. 2609 2610 It is simpler to cut out the margins from 1mm Box sheet on the scroll saw, and then tweak to shape. 2612 The main advantage of cutting out the margins is that there is no stress in conformation against the bulwark. In thinking about the Foc’sle, questions come to mind. Should there be a Bowsprit step over the deck area where it passes through? Those two posts either side of the Bowsprit look awkward, what are they for? They don’t seem to align with the knighthead tops that are fitted separately on the capping rails. They may of course just be a simplification of the kit design and construction for practical purposes rather than any actual feature, and there’s no indication to remove them as with the other bulkhead tops. The Adm Plan of the Foc’sle indicates a ‘hook at the height of the foremost Port cills. The kit has a couple of pin racks in this area. 2614 Foc'sle of the Razeed Indefatigable This would have been the Upper gun deck before she was razeed and to fit a hook seems reasonable in this area, but those posts preclude such a fitting and would require at least reducing in height, becoming in effect supports for the hook. I’m not really convinced by the present arrangement, and I’m minded to fit a hook. There is no indication of an open space between the Foc’sle bulwarks above the bowsprit but I need to ponder on it before I do anything too drastic. In the meantime I can progress some of the deck planking B.E. 01/11/2023
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Post One Hundred and one Poop deck As with the other decks I have left very little planking to be done. My aim is to maximise the view of all that wonderful detail that Chris has provided in the cabins below. 2591 2592 With the sub-deck modified and secured, planking can begin. I start with the margins using 5mm strip. 2597 2599 The remaining planking is straightforward, the worst part fitting some (26) 15mm tapered lengths along the taffarel. 2604 2605 I have taken the pre-caution of fitting an acetate cover for the poop to keep the worst of the dust out whilst the build continues. 2601 Whilst I’m on a roll I think I will carry on and plank the Foc’sle and Gangways. B.E. 31/10/2023
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Nice work David, she's looking very smart.👍 I have a soft spot for cutters and may well end up buying this one myself, once I've done with the behemoth. The rudder coat looks good, tricky little beggars to make and fit. As for the tiller coat, so long as it covers the aperture, I don't think shape is that important, and yours looks quite stylish. B.E.
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Very nice work Richard, another sweet model to add to your paper Navy. Well done. B.E.
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Post One Hundred QD planking cont’d I next fit the Margin planks using 6mm x 1mm Box. This covers the rough edges where the bulkhead tops still show. Fortunately, the curve is soft enough to allow an edge bend even with timber this broad. For the remaining planks I followed the etched design on the sub-deck as far as possible. This involves a degree of taper as the strakes run aft. Three days works sees the completion, and I’m fairly content with the result. 2575 2551 2554 2569 2580 2584 2585 Still work to do, deck scraping and tidying up before the inner bulwarks are fitted. At this stage clearing dust and debris from the Upper deck is a constant issue. At least with this amount of open space, I can get to remove it. B.E. 28/10/2023
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Compared to the kit provided Amati guns, these are the definitive article, and any difference to the Armstrong pattern guns at this scale is not worth the mention. I used them on my Pegasus build and they are pretty close to scale, and look good. These days we have the luxury of resin versions for choice. B.E.
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Blimey Glenn, you make me blush, I don’t consider myself more worthy, whatever that means. Any worth in pursuing our interest is surely the satisfaction we derive, and the desire to get better, whatever our level of experience. If you’re enjoying it it’s worth it. Cheers, B.E.
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Post Ninety-nine Quarterdeck planking Back to deck planking, and an activity I quite enjoy. I am using mainly 4x1mm Boxwood, and some broader strips where the layout dictates. 2514 As with the Upper deck the centre line fittings of hatch/ladderways and Capstan step are fitted before planking. 2518 The fittings were designed to sit atop the planking so have been raised by the depth of the planking to compensate. In addition to the hatchways there are grating sets that represent the covers for the Top-rope and pump scuttles and sit flush to the deck. I have some reservations about the Top rope scuttles being represented by gratings, they are generally shown as closed boards, without framing, and with lifting rings attached. This is how I will display them. The deck planking layout requires some careful thought. 2519 2520 A tricky part is planking around the scuttles. To this end blank scuttle templates are temporarily fixed in place to run the planking to, and the specific parts used to check. 2524 2525 2526 The centre line section completed, I will now move onto the outer strakes and Margin planks. B.E. 26/10/2023
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Post Ninety-eight The Drops re-visited I couldn’t resist playing with the Drop blanks, and even with a touch of rounding look better to my eye than the resin equivalent. The originals had to come off the model despite the time and effort put in, but one should always be prepared to take a step back and indulge in a spot of light de-construction if you're not satisfied. 2501 2504 I think it’s something to do with the forward curve of the ‘ball’ and the more substantial appearance that at least to me suits the proportions of the Quarter Gallery better. 2506 2510 It will all look a lot better once the galleries are completed and the mouldings added. 2511 Hopefully, this is the end of the ‘Drop’ saga, I will leave the finishing until I return to complete the galleries. Movin’ on B.E. 24/10/2023
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Hi Glenn, Good decision, they are very useful when building the Vanguard ships boats, just the right pressure. My statement regarding James OOB build was not a reflection on your skills, I never thought it had Glenn, I have far more scope to play around with kits than James has in these circumstances, if I was doing the prototype, there would be a very long wait for any results. I have already de-constructed what I did yesterday/today, and am engaged in a spot of carving, or at least shaping. The story goes on... Regards, B.E.
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Post Ninety-seven Sorting the ‘Drop’ So, this is the aspired to effect. 2461 This is the Adm plan but the kit plan is much the same. 2479 I continued to tweak the drop to receive the ball. I am trying to avoid the effect of the ball seeming to sit directly beneath the level line of the Finishing. 2488 Starboard side Fiddling around with this stuff surely messes up the surroundings, but that’s to be expected. 2490 Port side The ball surface suffered a little on this side during the paring but I’ll sort that later. 2491 2494 2496 2496 There is a lot of cleaning up to do in the stern area, but now the drop issue has been resolved in my mind I will move onto the Quarterdeck planking. Ahrrrrg.😒 Having moved on and looking for something else I came across these little items that look suspiciously like ‘Drops’. 2498 These are parts 51 on the 3mm pear sheet, mentioned in the index, but not in the Gallery construction pages or the prototype build section 636. Perhaps Chris decided to replace these blanks with the resin item. Still, they are the correct shape to fit beneath the Finishing, and I wish I had found them earlier. I may have to re-visit the Drops, but even if carving the ball is not fancied, the upper part could be used in conjunction with the resin ball. B.E. 23/10/2023
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