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Good day Ondras! Very interesting detailes added! And in common - it is masterpiece work!!! Greetings with upcoming NY! All the best in new 2026! ps ( in case You don't have them yet) 5 volumes - books 16th century spanish whaler(typical galleon 16th) in details , it could interesting ... ... https://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/9.946496/publication.html

Good day Steve ! Oh! two years late ! Sorry! It just caught my eye when I looking throug pictures of Your build , consider delay with my comment it is mostly theoretical question now , of course it’s better not to change anything here and place the remaining gratings in the same way as those already installed... just consider this information into account for the future, by the way, yesterday I started looking for additional information on this issue... and while looking at the photos of the replica, Mayflower 2 noticed that these gratings were not installed there according to the classic way, so to speak! But this is a replica and it is quite likely that the builders considered this point not at all important but in general, as far as I can judge from the literature, or photos of original Vasa , or photographs of old original models - the battens of the deck's gratings are always located along the deck center line ... and placed above of the transverse elements (ledges) which lay perpendicular to the center line of the vessel. Wish You all the Best and good luck with completion of this nice model! Kirill

Good day Steve, Nice , clean wood work! some minor remark, eye catcher -the top bars of the gratings should, as a rule , be located along the center plane, not across... Vasa's deck as example .... All the best and M-Xmass! Kirill

Good day Ondras! Very fine and clean work! Such a great pleasure to look at it and to see how she is slowly growing up! All the Best! Kirill Ps I' m not an expert, but by visual impression, deck boat lashing looks a little bit too light and fragile . May be there is sence to use some set of 3 ropes or some more thick rope for that purpose/ to hold( secure) boat on deck?

Good day Bill, Oh, I see now... I m afraid that excel tables which I posted operates just common data based on European shipbuilding tradition depend on rigging period but don't give You specific details belong to spanish galleon exactly... info You are looking for on the rope sizes used on standing and running rigging on SPANISH galleons between 1500-1800 , hm, it is quite a huge period when rules has been changed significantly ... I could guess You need to dig through the Spanish-speaking forums to find more specific details regarding your question. Maybe there is sense to narrowing the field of your research / one ship model of which You want to build? ps above Waldemar gave many useful links... pps It seems to me that in order to competently and without excessive fanaticism equip an amateur model of a ship with rigging in accordance with the selected historical period, the information provided in the books and tables of RC Anderson, Mondfeld, and several other well-known authorities is quite sufficient, given that the above-mentioned excel tables were compiled taking into account the works of these authors... The Spanish school of shipbuilding of the 17th, 18th, 19th centuries, I believe, kept pace with the rest of the European continental schools and it is unlikely that there were any cardinal differences in the armament of ships with rigging that could be shown on the model, especially with regard to the sizes of running and standing rigging....

Good day Bill, As seems to me ,there is not so big problem with it, how to find necessary ropes sizes for your galleon...I could recommend a few ways: 00. Book by RC Anderson where He gives all necessary XVI - XVII centuries rigging info 01. as far as I remember, on this forum, a few years ago I ve found very nice and handy excell tables made by one of ours colegues, tables which automaticaly calculated all necessary standing and rigging sizes of each rope You be need to rigg your galleon( and any other models as well) model... depends on period and rigging types and style 02. famous Mondfeld's book with nice tables regarding rigging and mast and spars sizes 03. Hoeckel 's book which looks like short version of RCAnderson book but containts all necessary data as well... By my small experience , these sources could/ will provide You all necessary info( in general at least) for rigging your galleon model in the best simplified but accurate way... Period Ship Scale Tables_2305250745__46.xlsx Rigging - size of rope and blocks - Final.xls Period Ship Scale Tables.xls

Good day Ondras! Greetings! Excellent work! It is always a great pleasure to watch how the model becomes more beautiful as it acquires details! And will you install bolsters, or are they already installed and hidden under the shrouds? All the Best! Kirill

Good day Michael! She is getting more beautiful and beautiful and buytiful with each stage completed , Great Job You made ! I like it very much! All The Best! Kirill

Good day, I've found this drawing, some moments of rigging are questionable, but in general not so bad! At least position of the stays shown correctly,...

Sorry for my too late question regarding ratlines thicknest ... May be this " check point " question will be usefull for the next model... All the best!!!

Good day, Seems that ratlines are a little bit too thick... in proportion to the shrouds thicknest ? How did You calculated diam. of the ratlines?

John , Your work just great !!! Fantastic !!! Beautiful results!!! All the best and another great models!!!

Good day, Ah, I see... In this case , balcony itself just additional, light construction, which could be placed in free position , lets say, iregadless of wales positions, but wales, they are important part of hull construction, .... and in this respect , there is no necesserity try to align them with balcony position , which is very minor consering wales and other ship hull elements... As I could see on Your model, position of your 3rd wale is correct, and it well , harmony aligns with balcony position... that why your decision to place" imitation" of 1st and 2nd wales became eyes catcher if I could say that...and I started placed my comments... logicaly it could be supposed that 1st and 2nd wales be placed just running proportionally to the 3rd wales...bellow balcony...?

Beside mentioned above, I have some drawings of spanish galleon model which rigging diagrams You could use instead of Ocre rigging plans , at least they are much more corectly made! СантЯго-де-Компостела-01.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-02.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-03.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-04.pdf СантЯго-де-Компостела-05.pdf

Good day, One of the solution , by my opinion, it could be to increase a little bit opening in the lower part of the top - this will give you some extra room for passing shrouds and respective stays , for increasing opening in the lower part of the top, you would be need to cut off one of its lower layer.... and rearrange a little top floor... At least,when I m looking at the posted pictures, right now, the size of the top too small to be correct and there is too small opening in the lower part of the top platform... There should be sufficient space to accomodate all shrouds loops and stay loop above them... The secuence of rigging is quite important... lower part of the top mast shouldnt be used for attaching stays,shrouds or any other rigging lines... And I would like to recommend to take a break for a while with rigging and to spend a little time to read R.C.Anderson book about rigging matters... it is not necessary to read it complete, but a few pages only where he talks about certain issues which You faced in your rigging... When You will follow rigging with understanding and sure what and how the process should goes on, current situation will not looks so dramatic as now. As seems to me this Ocre kit still manageble, and good kit for start,You did very good work with the hull, but current spars and rigging questions are minor and could be easily be corrected by You because You already have good experience to work with wood for these correction... I would advise , at these stage, to avoid using original Ocre rigging and sails plan anymore ,which only create for You very big mess and confusion but to use any other professionaly desighned rigging and spars plans which will suitable for spanish galleon rigging, I would like to mention in this respect one of Ab Hoving's books about Dutch shipbuilding traditions where He gives step by step instructions how to fitt all rigging and sails with technically correct illustrations of typically europian galleon of the beggining of 17th century... rigging plans from this book could be almost directly using for your spanisg galleon model. It is europian style rigging and similar period with your model. But first, as I mentioned, there is a sence as seems to me, to take a break, *to read that Anderson book , where He gives all necessary explanations in very simple manner, *to look at that Ab Hoving rigging plans ,kipping in mind what You read in Anderson book and compare with Ab Howing plans *to draw on your own rigging diagramm and than to continue to rigg your beatifull model... All the best! Kirill