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I think as far as Constitution keeping away for quite some time before engaging... Bainbridge claimed that he wanted to draw his opponent farther off shore before turning on her.  There seemed to be some indication, however, that Bainbridge mistakenly thought Java was a heavier ship at first - perhaps a small ship of the line...

We should also remember that Java was in position to stern rake Constitution TWICE during that fight.  The American 44s were generally handled very well during their engagements, but the reality was that they were not nearly as nimble as their smaller opponents.  The Java, in particular, was very well handled (helped in part by extra hands on board for transit to a far off station) and leveraged her maneuverability to give the Constitution everything she could handle.  The loss of Java's headgear was clearly the turning point of the battle and the Constitution took every advantage.  Likely that Old Ironsides would've won under any circumstance, but it certainly shortened the battle with less lives lost.

Evan

Beautiful. I do hope you can minimize the exposure to sun rays with the blind drawn... Perhaps a "turnaround cruise" each Trafalgar day to balance the exposure on each side?

You best not build the USS Nimitz - you and the admiral will end up sleeping on the patio!

Wonderful displays.

Taz - Welcome to the Connie club!

I recommend thickening the bulwarks and perhaps scratch building a replacement for the capstan.  Everything else is not critical... I think you are wise to want to replace the more fragile spars with something more substantial... Wood makes the most sense for the yardarms and thinner topmasts - easy to acquire a proper fine-grained wood that would suit the purpose.  I will, however, try to use styrene tube with brass rod inserts wherever possible.  Many of these spars need various cleats and attachments that might be best done with styrene at this small scale.

The sails will be done with silkspan on my build... I won't do full sails - just the sails set during battle.  I have seen good representations using the kit sails, but I don't prefer the billowing sail effect... If the sails are a bit intimidating, it is entirely acceptable to model the ship with bare poles and avoid all of the necessary running rigging associated with full sails.  It could save months of effort.

The decking can be done using the kit pieces - you'll see my method elsewhere within my log.  The scale decks version does, however, look to be a terrific alternative and I know Arnie over on fine scale modeler used these to good effect.

Foxy is well on his way with masts and rigging and I think we will both benefit from following his progress.

I look forward to seeing your build here on MSW and please don't hesitate to ping me with any questions... I can at least help you avoid any pitfalls that I encountered!

Evan

I think at least two of my sources shows the kedge anchor being stored within the long boat for the US Frigate Constitution.  Spare spars were stored along the mizzen/main channels.

Constitution doesn't seem to show quarter davits until the 1807 drawing reportedly done by Captain John Rodgers (you'll see the Corne painting of 1803 in my Avatar shows them not yet fitted).

The Turner drawings in the Tate collection don't show quarter davits for Victory - nor does Turner's 1806 painting (or his famous Trafalgar canvas).

The Clarkson Stanfield painting DOES show them, however. Go figure.

Evan

Thank you for the link... Very interesting. I've just finished “The Admirals: Nimitz, Halsey, Leahy, and King — The Five-Star Admirals Who Won the War at Sea,” by Walter R. Borneman and your link added some great background. The book is an interesting perspective of the intertwined careers of the first five star admirals. It is a bit light on the battles and more focused on the overall context of decisions and leadership. It illuminates the wider influence of Leahy and calls out the lack of full recognition for the contributions made by Spruance. A fine read.

Evan

Tyrone Martin states that US Frigate Constitution had no rope rails for gangways/ladders with the possible exception of the rearmost near the officer accommodations.

Evan

Thanks for this overview. I'm hoping Santa sticks this under my tree this year.

Evan

Frank -

I see you've started in on the sails for your Victory.  I like your initial effort with the spanker.

So sorry that I've neglected my log... I have a few updates to add and I will have a good few weeks to do some modeling during the holiday break.

I hope to have the hull halves glued together, the gun deck in place, and the false keel done.

Thanks for your continued interest!

I think your feline Boomer will rightly want to supervise construction - it is after all a "cat" boat and not a "dog" boat!

Here is a link to a discussion on this in my log:

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/270-uss-constitution-by-force9-revell-plastic-revisiting-the-classic-196-kit/page-2#entry8763

Evan

There is much to unravel when attempting to lock in her appearance on any given date - especially August 19, 1812!!!

Very nice start.  I will sit in the first row to watch.  

Evan

I'm in!

Evan

Jerry - Thanks for posting those more detailed photos of the McNarry model in the gallery.  It really has to be seen to be fully appreciated.

Markus - Chapelle has a nice overview of the rudder differences in his "History of the American Sailing Navy".  I'll look for the page references. As I've indicated in my earlier post, Chapelle thinks the US Navy was an early adopter of this new rudder type - much sooner than the European navies. 

I have not been working on my model lately - it is too hot in my garage work space for comfort.  We Californians are wimps in regard to summer heat waves...

I do think I'll be back in action this weekend as the weather begins to moderate.

Thanks all

Evan

For whatever it is worth... Some contemporary depictions:

Crew clambering up rigging:

Thank you John, Mark, Robin, Greg, Dave, Druxey and Geoff.

 

 

Mark - only a press with the iron. I didn't get any "bleeding" on my untreated test piece, or for that matter on the "real thing". It was more a matter of the paint creeping under the tape between individual pieces of weave in the cloth. This only happened in a couple of places where I may have thinned the paint a bit too much and/or didn't press the tape down firmly enough.

 

Robin and Greg - I went with the comments in TFFM regarding the St Andrew's Cross being usually shown as too THICK on a lot of modern models. I may have made mine a FRACTION narrow, but what's been done is done. Here's a pic of the action between USS Constitution and HMS Guerriere, painted by Thomas Birch, that shows the St Andrew's Cross as narrow as mine :

 

Thomas Birch - Action between USS Constitution and HMS Guerriere.jpg

 

 Danny

Dan - an incredible result that I followed in stealth mode (along with many others I'm sure).

Just to be overly crisp... The painting you cited was a knockoff... Here is the actual Thomas Birch painting of the Constitution/Guerriere battle:

Quite a difference!

Evan

Ahoy Mike!

Glad you've rediscovered my log... Hopefully you can be inspired to venture forth with nautical efforts and forego the aeronautical stuff for a time.  I don't swim particularly well, but I KNOW I can't fly!  Perhaps that is why I stick to ships.

Work continues at a leisurely pace on my Connie... I am fiddling still with the deadeyes and chains with nothing notable to show for it yet.

A few more weeks should yield some pictures.

Thanks again to all who check in on my build.

Evan

Daniel -

I was just admiring your terrific gun deck "diorama"... Can't imagine the time invested in recreating the chaos of a Trafalgar gun deck!

Question - would there also be a stout crewman positioned at the inhaul tackle to prevent the many tons of gun from lurching forward in the next ocean swell while some luckless sailor was ramming home the next charge?

Evan

Matt - Thank you for the generous comment... I think third time might be a charm?  I'd encourage anyone to take a crack at the Revell kit using a few extra touches to produce a very substantial representation of the great ship during her glory years.  Time and patience are the key factors...

The ring bolt below the first shroud is for the lower stuns'l boom... The Martingale tackle hooks to this point to hold the boom in position in conjunction with the topping lift.  I won't display the boom swung out, but I thought the ring bolt should be there for accuracy.  I'm glad someone noticed it!

JCFrankie - I'm not too familiar with the intricacies of square rig seamanship, but my understanding is that the block would allow the forward shroud to be eased when going to windward or making a hard tack so that the courses could be pivoted around just a little bit more... That is why they aren't there on the mizzen - obviously no such thing as a mizzen course on the crojack yard.  Those with more knowledge are free to correct my explanation...

Thanks for taking an interest and thanks again to all for the "likes"!

Hope to make a bit more progress on Father's day - modeling time is gifted to me already!

Evan

Lads...

That is very fine and precise craftsmanship!

Were such booms used sparingly in that era?

Evan

Ahoy Popeye!

I will also elbow my way thru the crowd to watch...

I have the Commemerative edition of this kit that includes Pontos PE and decking.  I don't think it is the most accurate version of the Titanic, but it is certainly representative  of the great ship.  I'm not a Titanic fanatic so I'm not counting missing port holes and worrying about much minutiae, but I did take the trouble to add the openings on the forecastle and stern decks.  I also put some edging around the stern to help support the PE railings

I didn't like the fit of the deck towards the bow so I scraped off the kit's molded ledge and replaced it with my own styrene version to help the deck sit even.

Otherwise, I really like the fit and finish and have found it to be a terrific kit.

Unfortunately, this is about as far as I've gotten, so I'll look to you for guidance going forward.

Good stuff!

Evan

Ahoy...

Apologies for the long interlude... Had some computer issues and had to upgrade my system to get back on track.

I have made some progress on cleats, dead eyes and such and will post some pictures soon. In the meantime, I had a nice visit last week to the US Naval Academy museum... They have the other set of the Michel Felice Corne paintings of the Constitution vs Guerriere battle that were commissioned by Captain Hull. These are exquisite and I think I stared at them for at least 30 minutes:

The series is hung in a bit of a jumble, but very visible.








Here are some details of the stern. The ventilation ports under the counter are clearly visible - I'm glad I added those to my version.




Rigging detail:



Here is a detailed view from the Corne painting of the Tripoli campaign:


The basement of the museum contains the gift store and the model maintenance workshop. It turns out that if you stare through the viewing window long enough (it helps to have a forlorn puppy dog expression as well) someone in the workshop will take pity and invite you inside for a tour. Jack was extremely generous with his time and showed me all the projects and some of the terrific tools - including a very nice rope serving set up and a clever/inexpensive micro-torch he built for detailed solder work.

At some point I mentioned my own "learner's" project on the Revell Constitution and I was invited into the Curator's office to have a look at a "small Constitution" model kept on top of a file cabinet.





It should be readily apparent that this is no ordinary model. In fact, this is a Donald McNarry masterpiece showing Constitution's early appearance. The pictures don't give a true perception of the small scale... I'd think it is 1/192 or thereabouts (less than half the length of my project) and each element is executed with unfathomable detail. The guns, boats, wire rigging, etc. are all incredible. I urged The curator to find a way to get it on the display floor, but he explained that there is not much room in the current display area for all of the incredible models in the museum collection. Gawd only knows what the thing is worth - especially after the passing of Mr. McNarry.

The museum is a true treasure trove of American history. The collections include the original "Don't Give Up The Ship" flag, the actual table (and tablecloth) used for the Japanese surrender on board the USS Missouri (it was a mess table quickly adapted for use after the beautiful wooden table provided by the British turned out to be too small for the surrender documents), and the spur that snapped off the boot of John Wilkes Booth when he leaped off the balcony and got caught on the flag bunting - breaking his ankle on the landing.

Folks should make the effort to visit Annapolis if at all possible - well worth the side trip from DC!

I'll post some more project pictures later this week to catch everyone up on my progress.

Thanks
Evan

Guys -

Thank you all for following along.  I should have some updates soon with my progress on dead eyes, cleats, and ring bolts.

Robin - thank you for wading thru my build log... I wish you'd reconsider doing some paintings from this era.  I still think no recent artist has done the Constitution/Guerriere battle correctly.

Stay tuned!

Thx

Evan