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HMS Victory 2017 re-fit colours
dafi replied to Seren's topic in Painting, finishing and weathering products and techniques
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Funny enough most modelers build the version that: - existed the shortest time - that is the least documented But on the other hand modelers have the tendency to be stubborn to new research. But still these changes often contradicted with other knowledge or was soon to be revised like the stern davits on and off and other features. But on the other side, do not forget that we all here are rivet counters and the job the curators did since 1920 really succeeded in bringing the feeling of the old seafarers to the "normal" people, to keep the history alive, no matter all the details we say "THEY" did "WRONG". XXXDAn
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Luv-it 🙂 XXXDan
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Thank you for the great discussion, quite sure we will follow this still for quite a while, it might stay intriguing 🙂 So to not loose the fine nuances for colors as a contrast some black and white thinking. To spread some light into why the port holes were planked over 🙂 Next thing first planking trials. Still quite topsy-turvy but one can see the direction 🙂 XXXDAn
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By the sources was she black until on the lower gundeck and the rest rosin until 1782 when the rosin parts were supposedly painted „Dull Yellow Ochre“, one of the standard color schemes of the period. To add some confusion about the painting scheme, Turners drawings still give some hints that the spread of the colors was yet different ... But that to a later point 🙂 XXXDAn
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Exactly my point. Thank you for the text that nicely shows my suspicion. The two shades of blue can be seen on the 1765 model of the Vic http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66473.html lighter in the upper deck, darker on the middle deck. The only place mentioned as provenance of the paint is a capstan, and that is a inbord usage of the paint. Most painters used the "usual" colors for the english ships. So does Turner, who saw the Vic before and after Trafalgar. As he is master of moods and colors my suspicion is that he would have not let the opportunity slip to use a more vivid color to point out this emotional ship. Anyway I do believe with the quality standards of these days the ship should have looked much more like a patchwork, as each barrel of paint should have changed in tint 😉 XXXDAn
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Chemical interaction with the vehicle or other paints? It is more than 200years now. But the most important question to me still is where is the provenance of the sample(s). And how this small sample gave reason to be applied to the whole outside of the ship? Always open for new finings and input, as long as they are explained properly and seem logical to me. Good research is one thing, judging the results the other. XXXDan
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@Kirill: Pricosil grün for the form and Biresin G26 for the cast. Greatest gift of dafi? Knowing how to make chips 🙂 The characteristic of the 1920 version is the flat outer surface, so got the chisel out ... ... dug holes ... ... and flatened all. See the "Broad Arrows" indicating it kings property 😉 XXXDAn
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Vasa deck shift
dafi replied to BLACK VIKING's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
The same for Mary Rose 🙂 -
Okokok, I stirred the wasp's nest. Funny how much emotion color evokes 🙂 So the 1765 version is half way ready already and the connoisseur recognizes the 2018 version on the "Hello Kitty" teint. Some versions in between are still missing. One more cast was still left, so one more to be done. So we have a funny little in-beween-meal, hope it suits your taste. There we go 🙂 XXXDAn
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Still looking for the full blown report to how they came to this interpretation. I do actually say that this it is not impossible, but most other historical evidence point another - the old - direction. If anybody has a link to these studies - and I mean the real and full report and not the newspaper clips - I will be pleased to be convinced if I can follow the chain of proofs 🙂 XXXDAn
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We did not say that it is historically correct. It is just the way she is presented today 😇😇😇
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And a bit of fresh permanent make-up 🙂 Plenty of white, ochre and some red. Was tricky to mix but now it is "Hello Kitty!" XXXDAn
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As the small side projects are an integral part of my build ... ... I checked the wardrobe ... ... and picked some parts. What is he up to now?!? XXXDAn
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Thank you Mark and Kirill and all the "likers" 🙂 And we stay hot! Did not realised that a whole bunch of my pictures has been published in Modellmarine.de So as a small X-Mess surprise, here are the pictures of the great modeling exhibition in Rochefort last October: http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5410:1er-congress-international-de-modellisme-navale-in-rochefort-teil-1&catid=215:ausstellungen Part 1 http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_imagebrowser&view=gallery&folder=rochefort18-1&Itemid=55 Part 2 http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_imagebrowser&view=gallery&folder=rochefort18-2&Itemid=55 Part 3 http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_imagebrowser&view=gallery&folder=rochefort18-3&Itemid=55 Enjoy 🙂 Merry X-Mess, XXXDAn
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Thank you Sirs, very indulgent 🙂 Others were not. "Too uneven", "roasting spit too thick" and "handles meant for giants" So out the scalpel and flattening all uneven surfaces and corners, getting the soldering iron out and eliminating the oversized spit. Filed a new squared and tapered spit onto some 0,5 mm brass wire. Inserted a new smaller bearing into the spits driving wheel ... ... and mades some more ergonomic handles. The result looks like this: Hope that is fine now 😉 XXXDAn
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Studding booms, how are the lower booms attached?
dafi replied to Modeler12's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Lees states that in the RN from 1801 the lower stunsails on the main masts were not longer issued. This most possibly means too, that the boom displayed in Portsmouth on the main channel is actually the one of the fore mast stunsail 😉 That is possibly because of the collision with the anchors on the fore channels. XXXDAn -
Vasa deck shift
dafi replied to BLACK VIKING's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I would not call it sloppiness, simply the awareness for symmetrical build was not jet developed 🙂 Why bothering about it, this was not the problem of this ship and would the basic trim have been better, it would have perfectly done the job. On top of it, if I remember well, they ran out of suitable timber towards the end of the build, as it was not foreseen that the ship would become that big when they put the material for the build aside. The fine art of clean build just was developed later on, and then one can discuss which planking scheme to use. But still many model makers discuss lengthily the scheme up and down and still do not realize that for a long time still curved planks were in use 😉 XXXDAn -
Vasa deck shift
dafi replied to BLACK VIKING's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Here is a sketch I found. Just dare it! Keepers of the holy grails of planking patterns look away! Build the real thing and you will be expelled from the forum 😉 XXXDAn
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Vasa deck shift
dafi replied to BLACK VIKING's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Do every possibly "nodo" imaginable - and that usually you would get your head bitten off here in the forum - and you are most possibly near the reality. As stated all planks have different widths and lengths, the pattern is most random possible and on the quarter deck there are in 1 (one) point/edge 4 (four!) planks joining*** ... XXXDAn *** all different width off course 😉 -
Despite all this X-Mess-stress I found a small space for some advent tinkering 🙂 Started as usual in the smaller scale ... ... and then scratched the fitting Brodi-Stove for it by some scrap materials. Then some trials ... ...for the BBQ-skewer holder and some brass nibbling ... ... bent ... ... and the skewer itself by filing a round brass into a pointed square section. Some trials in soldering but finally it fitted :-). The exhaust air propelled skewer drive was easy ... ... but fitting a 1 mm hole for the external axle bearing into a 1 mm brass profile needed the magical trick of flattening the material before drilling :-). Then some handles and the handrail around and soon some paint could be applied. I think I will go for a nice eloquent black 😉 Always remember: no food - no fight 🙂 XXXDAn
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Here is the new score: 18 August 1805 1 White 95 lb 2 Yellow 24 lb 3 black 67 lb 4 oil 30 lb White-Yellow Balance 4:1 31 August 1805: 1. White – 120 lb 2. Yellow – 34 lb 3. Black Varnish – 66 gallons 4. Glue – 12 lb 5. Lime – 8 bushels 6. Whitewash brushes – 6 White-Yellow Balance 3,5:1 *** 2 September 1805: 1. White – 150 lb 2. Yellow – 350 lb 3. Black – 150 lb 4. Oil. – 47 gallons White-Yellow Balance 0,4:1 5. White – 66 lb 6. Yellow – 78 lb 7. Black – 13 lb 8. Verdigris (sic) – 5 lb 9. Prussian Blue – 1 lb White-Yellow Balance 0,8:1 6 September 1805: 1. White – 86 lb 2. Yellow – 234 lb 3. Black Varnish – 66 gallons. lb 4. Oil. – 2 1/2 gallons White-Yellow Balance 0,35:1 14 September 1805: 1. White 450 lb 2. Yellow 350 lb 3. Black 150 lb 4. Oil 47 gallons White-Yellow Balance 1:1,3 Not near one is to Nelson´s proposed mixture of 6:1 ... What was all this yellow for?!? XXXDAn
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