I'm looking for the old solid hull version.

Bill

Hello!  I just found this build. OUTSTANDING WORK, and GREAT SAVE on the false keel! I'm impressed! Anyway, the kit now lists for $399.00 on Model Expo.  It is a current listing.

Bill

Heinz,

Your English is much better than my German!  And, you are doing an exceptional job with the Victory.  Given that I have a goal to purchase this kit, that goal is still far off from reality.

Bill

On 8/27/2014 at 3:58 AM, latestarter said:

I have always been fascinated by the ships of this period and especially the Victory, I have made the journey several times to tour her. It would be my greatest joy to attempt the build, but alas I came to this hobby far too late in my life and I am not sure if I have enough years remaining to complete this great venture. Now I will restrict my pleasure to dreaming of what might have been and reading the great logs of the fantastic builds of this ultimate model.

You are never too old to venture into this hobby!  I have a good friend over on FSM who is 90 years old and builds some of the most impressive models I have ever seen.  It is a real pleasure to see his works, especially his newer models.  If you are tempted to build this model, go for it!

Bill

On 6/13/2020 at 12:36 AM, Rob S said:

Thanks kjs - I’ll need to do something likewise if I don’t find the extra HW.  Bummer about Y.T.; he did fantastic work.  I didn’t know anything about any pirated gear/items - but I know the forum is strict about this.  I better do some homework there so that I don’t find myself on the wrong side of the law here.  I will be looking at your log to see how the copper planking went.  I can do monotony.  

 

Rob,

I just found this build.  Great work so far given your learning curve!  Impressive!  What happened to Y.T.?

Bill

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OK, worked out my marking jig per the Mamoli instructions and am nearly done with marking the waterline.  I’ll use a more permanent marker once I’m satisfied with the pencil lines. Still doing some fine tuning of the hull filling/sanding.  

 

 

Your paint job is spectacular!  I have read of techniques like yours but have never seen it in photos.  I will follow from hear!

Bill

On 10/27/2020 at 12:54 PM, egkb said:

Great set of photos Ian, they should really help you! 

 

Eamonn

I agree! The photos are fantastic.  They will definitely help me with the Potosi!

Bill

Finally!!! An accurate model of HMS Beagle!  The Mamoli kit is simply a carbon copy of the old Revell plastic model, which is a modified HMS Bounty.  Occre did a great job in designing this kit.  That said . . .

You are doing a commendable job on your second ship, but it will need some touching up of the paint on your quarter galleries. I am very impressed with your hull and deck planking!

Bill

1 hour ago, Ian_Grant said:

Bill,

 

I just used 0.6mm O.D. micro brass tube, available from Albion Alloys (MBT06). It comes in sets of three ~12" lengths in plastic tubes. Easily cut with an exacto knife.

 

The etched brass eyelets are glued in to the ends. Available from various model suppliers, for example:

 

https://www.model-dockyard.com/acatalog/Caldercraft_Period_Eyepins.html

 

These eyes are immensely useful, for example I cut all those nubbies off the bowsprit and replaced with some of these eyes glued into drilled holes. I also used many to form the mast stay attachment points at caps etc.

 

Note too the copper eyelets listed below the etched brass at M.D.; they can come in handy too and are almost exactly the same size as the plastic eyebolts supplied with Heller models like Victory, Soleil Royale, and our current efforts. Useful to avoid a plastic eye breaking as you are rigging!

Ian,

Thanks!

Bill

19 hours ago, Ian_Grant said:

A quick update - I finished the 146 renditions of rigging screws for shrouds and backstays. This photo shows what they look like, passing down to the deck inside the bulwarks. A big improvement, I think, on Heller's suggested small loops of thread passed through the pinrail holes with knots trapped underneath. I'm getting close to some serious rigging. Just need to form brass yard trusses somehow and oh,... figure out what thread to use. I have three sizes of chain too with probable need to order more of whichever I choose. Probably the 42 link/inch at this scale.

 

Far better indeed!  I wondered how I would tackle this problem with their Cap Horn/Potosi kit. Now I know.  Are these commercially available?

Bill

Ian,

Looking great!  Any luck yet with the railing?

Bill

As John Tilley used to say, you are truly making a silk purse out of a sow's ear.  Well done!

Bill

Corporate service to the customer isn't what it used to be.  Oh well.  Perhaps I could loan you  the part for your brother to copy.  Let me know.  We can keep that idea as a standby.

Bill

Ian,

I did not see your response until today.  Anyway, the part number in the Cap Horn kit is part 75 for the curved railing at the stern.  The other two railings for the poop are 73 and 74.

I recommend that you contact Heller and ask for the Cap Horn part. It is in production while Preussen is not.

Bill

Ian,

I will check on that detail issue for you.  I also found Heller's website, which is up and running. According to their online catalog, Cap Horn has been reissued but Preussen has not.  Given that they are virtually the same kits except for the one mast, that railing should be available to you.  I have copied their "Legal Notice for you, including their email address:

Legal notice

Heller Hobby GmbH
Erlenbacher Str. 3
42477 Radevormwald
Germany

Telefon: +49 2195-92773-0
Fax: +49 2195-92773-29
E-Mail: info@heller.fr

Managing Director: Heinz Engstfeld
Ust-Id. Nr.: DE327404132
Amtsgericht Köln HRB 100034

Chris,

Your work is amazing, especially for a beginner!  Please don't get discouraged; you are building masterpieces.  I can't wait to see the entire collection together, even the Queen Mary . . .

Bill

Thanks for  the opportunity.

Bill

06370.

Beautiful work!  I am impressed!  I especially love what you did with the lower hull plating.  Great job so far!

I once ordered the Heller 1/150 Cap Horn only to discover that no such ship existed. The kit is heavily based on their Preussen except that she depicts a five masted barque.  The Flying P-Line did have a near sister to Preussen that was one of only a very small number of such barques named Potosi, so I have been building her as that ship.  Your work is inspiring me to proceed with the conversion!

Again, WELL DONE!!!

Thanks!

Bill

Chris,

I am glad to see that you found her!  Do you have the entire Airfix series of liners yet?

Bill

On 8/21/2020 at 4:52 AM, Matrim said:

Roosevelts bias is much more subtle than James though its still there. James's case for the prosecution is his War of 1812. When he wrote his huge naval history and got to the 1812 war he states that he wont go into all the arguments as he already covered that in his book on 1812. Roosevelt uses the Naval History and not the War of 1812 as his base to argue against so you sometimes get into strange situations when James says A in his Naval History . Roosevelt argues against A for reasons B & C (which seem reasonable) but then you look at the War of 1812 and James adds arguments D & E with F directly countering C.  

 

If anyone is interested I can try and research up some examples (it will take me a while as I would have to re-read them all, and by a while I mean months-years to do properly). 

 

James is certainly more strident but he was basically a lawyer attacking press lies in public. Roosevelt is a historian so is writing a very different book and against someone who cant argue back.

 

You have to read all three to see the historiography of it....though go for Roosevelt and James's 1812 to get a feel for the direct arguments and see what you think for yourself. 

 

Personally I follow NAM Rodgers opinion. The bigger ship won in every single frigate engagement (not smaller ships like sloops where even combats occurred and the US won), both navies were good and you don't need to read any nationalistic superiority into it beyond that. 

 

 

 

 

I have read all three and agree somewhat,  However, in the HMS Shannon v. USS Chesapeake battle, both ships were very similarly and evenly matched, except that Shannon and her crew had years of training and experience under Captain Broke, a gunnery expert, while USS Chesapeake was under Captain Lawrence, who had never sailed with or drilled his crew.  Many of the crew were also new to the ship.  As would be expected, Shannon won that battle in close to 15 minutes.

On 8/18/2020 at 11:21 AM, Morgan said:

You should read ‘The Challenge: Britain Against America in the Naval War of 1812’ by Professor Andrew Lambert, he brings the views of James and Roosevelt up to date and corrects both.

 

Gary

I shall do so.  Thanks!

Bill

On 10/18/2014 at 3:26 PM, uss frolick said:

I truncated the American newspaper account, omitting the earlier parts of her cruise and her numerous captures. It seems to be copied from the brig's log book. But it is still a contemporary account. But notice the details they agree upon, 104 vs. 105 British sailors made the attack, and both agreed the contest lasted 20 minutes.

 

Poor James was either in New York or Boston at the outbreak of the war, and being a lawyer, he couldn't help but shoot off his mouth. This quickly landed him in prison, from which he escaped somehow, and hoofed it north to Canada, where he befriended many British Naval officers, chief among them Phillip Brook of the Shannon. He definitely had an axe to grind, and perhaps he was justified, but you can feel this in his writings, particularly in "Naval Occurrences". He is spot on, however, with his material and technical data, and for this reason, his work is the definitive work for the period.

Theodore Roosevelt also wrote an excellent book on the War of 1812 in which he directly refutes William James' findings while simultaneously not chastising the British.  His is a much more mature and adult work. I recommend it highly.

Bill

Exquisite work! Most impressive!

Bill

Excellent work so far!  Your skill is most impressive.

I was once in a discussion with John Tilley about this model.  He remarked that this model is based on research at the MGM Studios library and bore no resemblance to any real ships and was hugely inaccurate.  He also stated that that high stern castle could not stand.  Yet, I have found references to show similar designs, and the kit components such as cannons, gun carriages, etc. are indeed accurate.  I don't know if this model represents any particular ship but I believe it depicts many design characteristics of the period.

Bill