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Beautiful work Frank, I'm sorry I missed seeing it in person. Loved the chainplate technique. I know I'll always come away from your posts with a new useful idea.- 649 replies
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Happy Birthday Nils!! I've been away too long and you've been busy. I am amazed at the amount of detail you are putting into this model. Just incredible!
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She's coming along nicely Steven. I love your carved figures. I wish I could carve like that. As for the stem on YK4, it has been so long that I can't recall if the rabbet continues into the stem. I do recall the upper strikes are beveled and appear to have been nailed flat against the side of the stem. We do have a piece of the stem where it joins the keel but I'd rather take a look at it on Monday than rely on my memory. I'll let you know what I find.
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Incredible stuff here! Your CAD work, your sketches and your woodworking skills are impressive. I hope you don't mind me filling your inbox with likes. I have been meaning to go back and read your whole build and finally got the chance. Only wish I had followed along sooner. I hope we see a continuation soon, I will be following.
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Thanks again everybody for your comments and likes! Thanks Bob, no slip roller, I just clamp a 3/4 steel bar to a work bench and press the brass around it. The segments are a little over 1 1/8 inch in diameter. I bend them a little tighter and use the alligator clips to hold them to the proper diameter. The .01 thickness brass shapes well with no creases. Thanks Cap-n-Bob. I tried several methods and none of them worked. Once again, approximating the original method did the trick. Thanks Druxey, I like the quote. I will keep it in mind next week when I'm taking the paddlewheels apart. Thanks Nils, David, Pat and Mark. I'm sorry that I've been off-line for awhile and haven't been able to keep up with everyone's builds. My ragweed allergies turned into a respiratory infection last week and it has really slowed me down. Last Friday I gave my wife a scare when I coughed so hard that I passed out. I think the worst of it is over and I hope to make a lot of progress in the coming weeks. Thanks Steven, I've been meaning to send you a PM about the masts in the hatches but haven't had the chance yet to sit down and write a proper description. I'll try to send you our thoughts on the subject tomorrow.
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Well, I started the week off with a major mistake. I had hoped to finish the engine this week but, while adding the spreaders to the paddlewheel flanges, I realized that I had them reversed on the port side. The inboard flange was on the outside and outboard on the inside. It was pretty frustrating heating and desoldering the blackened parts with the spokes in place. I always lightly peen the end of the bolts so that the nuts won't back off over time. Makes for a secure hold but impossible to ever disassemble without cutting the heads off. After finally resoldering the flanges and burning some of the spokes, I noticed that the notches on the after edges of the ends of the spokes were now on the wrong side. I spent a good part of the week making new spokes and I'll have to wait for a new batch of 00-90 screws to arrive. After several attempts at different methods to make the chimney segments, I finally came up with a method that works well. The tubes taper upward by less than a degree which allows each one to fit tightly inside the one above. Using AutoCAD, I calculated the the upper and lower radii and the angled sides of the plates needed for the segment. I added 1/8 inch on one side for overlap. Printed on label paper and applied to the brass, I cut out the .01 thick plates. As long as the rigth edge lined up with the inner line on the left, the shape came out accurately. The individual segments mated perfectly giving me a nice straight tube. I was able to make four segments in less than thirty minutes. Unfortunately, I ran out of brass before I could make a complete tube. Kevin's drawing of Heroine's chimney. Paper patterns for the chimney segments. The edges look straight but, the sides taper less than 1 degree and the top and bottom have a extremely large radius (152.36 inches for the bottom 149.86 inches for the top)
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Looking good Cathead. The stealers look perfect!
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Looks good Jack, the soldered brass looks wonderful!
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Thanks everybody, Jack, yes, carving is only one of Fred Hockers amazing talents. He ran the model shop before me and I was always amazed at his abilities. I miss having him around but he moved on to better things at the Vasa museum. Druxey, hopefully we can both make it next year. I will look forward to it. Peter, I'm happy you're enjoying the build and I'll see what I can pull together for the Glass Wreck. Joe, thank you for the kind words. The ragweed symptoms have subsided a bit and I should be a little more productive this next week. Hopefully, I'll have some good photos next week. Cathead, once again, good question. We have different drawings and paintings showing both arrangements. There is an illustration of the Yellowstone without stairs from the boiler deck. I think this might be where Kevin got this idea. If I remember correctly, there is a very good representation of the Delphine where the stairs run from the boiler deck right into the front of the open pilot house. Kevin also showed me a drawing of a side wheeler with the pilot house on the boiler deck - an arrangement that was common in the 1820s. When Heroine was built, the pilot house on the Hurricane deck was a fairly new improvement. without archaeological remain from this area, I don't think we will even know for certain. Thanks Mark, sometimes I loose track of which century I'm currently working on. The Bodrum Museum may be surprised when their Byzantine ship shows up with a steering wheel.
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Thanks Jack, I have to mention that I didn't carve the figure. Dr. Fred Hocker carved him many years ago for the first Serce model. He's only on loan for the photos.
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Hello Everybody, Sorry for the lull in posting, I'm still playing catch up on the second model and progress has slowed on the first. I've also been wiped out with Ragweed alergies for the last two weeks. I'd rather have the flu! I was able to assemble the pilot house and notch the roof trusses in place. Cathead, I wonder as well how the original was done. This method seems to work but it is only as guess. With the trusses notched in place, they seem very rigid although I wonder if I should have added two more vertical timbers midway between the center and the ends. I'm with you about the poor stewards that had to deal with the chamber pots. Yes Kurt, I wish you could have been here as well. I'm also dissappointed that I will have to miss the NRG conference this year as well. I will miss seeing everybody. WackoWolf, thanks for the comment, except for the ragweed, everthing is fine, just a little slow with Heroine 1. I think things will pick up this next week so I should have much more to post. I'll be taking a break from the Glass Wreck on the weekends so I should have some time for posting. Steven, I wish I had the time to do a build log of Serce as well. The shape of the reconstruction has evolved a bit and we'd like to get the info out there. Maybe when the Heroines are done I can post what I have. I hope no one minds that I put up two photos of the model. I was a little light on Steamboat photos. The pilot house. The four moulded panels were milled and the planking added. This is only a test fit. It will sit slightly higher when the hurricane deck is planked and canvassed. Test fit of the roof trusses. Two photos of the Serce Limani vessel (Glass Wreck) 11th Century Byzantine Merchant vessel. Possible preview for future Build log.
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Nils, nice job with the ventilators. They look wonderful! My jaw dropped when I saw the deck furniture and thought you soldered them. After reading the text, yes CA is definitely the way to go. Still, my fingers are a little to clumsy for such delicate parts. I'd be a nervous wreck after making just one. Nice work!
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Thanks everybody, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the comments, suggestions and likes. Cathead, I'm curious to see how the trusses would have actually been fabricated on Heroine. I first tried to assemble them by hand bending a lighter square sectioned top beam to a heavier base piece with three uprights in between. The base piece was twice as deep as it was wide and I hoped that it would be more rigid. Nevertheless, no matter how I bent the lighter piece to it it still cause the base to bend. I finally gave up and cut the top pieces with the curve. I wonder if they would have been cut with the curve for Heroine. As for the outhouses, we know Heroine had one on the port side of the stern. I still haven't framed it up but you can see the hole that was cut for it in the model. The opening of the outhouse would have faced to stern and on the wreck, the aft side of the hole was reinforced with several pieces of wood. Possibly a lot of deterioration in this area. As for the passengers on the hurricane deck, there doesn't seem to be a way to plumb any toilets so I'm assuming chamber pots would have been used. In Kevin's layout of the boiler deck cabins he shows the locations of a toilet forward for the men's cabin and one at the aft port corner of the women's cabin but both would have been in locations that would have prevented flushing the waste direct from the toilet. Bob and Cathead, yes it is amazing the differences between this vessel and the later larger steamers. When we first started reconstructing the engine, I had a lot of difficulty making sense of the machinery when looking at what we knew about steamboats from the 1840's and 50's. there was an incredible amount of evolution that occurred in only 10 or 15 years. Cathead, I like your reference to Heroine as a fossil in Steamboat evolution. Bearegalleon, thank you for your comments about the windows. I wasn't sure if I had captured the Federal style with the windows and door framing but now I feel a little more confidant about it. Thank you Nils, Frank, Albert, John, druxey, and Pat for your kind comments
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Thanks Pat, Albert,Tom, Nils, and WackoWolf, Sorry that I didn't get back here sooner. It has been a crazy week. In addition to the two Heroine models, I'm rushing to finish a model of the Serce Limani wreck for the Bodrum Museum of Underwater Archaeology. Heroine takes up more work days and Serce fills my nights and weekends. Hopefully, Serce will be completed soon and I'll finally have some free time again. As for Heroine, this week I worked on the roof trusses. Kevin wanted 15 inches of crown to the Hurricane deck so it didn't leave me with much depth to work with. I decided to play it safe and go with something simple. We wanted a light structure so the spacing between trusses is a little large but, they used tongue and groove planking that would have distributed the load and added a little strength (as well as making it a little more watertight). The roof will be covered with tarred canvas. The trusses haven't been fastened in place yet and are little out of alignment. Started working on the floor of the pilot house. The opening will be for a trap door to the cabin below. I left the longitudinal timber a little long for support. They will be cut off even with the forward edge of the corner pieces.
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I've been away too long and have a lot of catching up on your build to do. My glass of wine is ready and I'm looking forward to the read ahead. Your descriptions of your techniques are as fascinating as your work is precise. What a pleasure!
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Ahh! I've been looking forward to this. Sorry that I didn't get here a little sooner. I know she'll be incredible!
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Thanks everybody, I've missed the opportunity for to check in for the last couple of weeks but my weekends have been tied up with a couple of family events. It's nice to finally have a free weekend. Thanks Patrick, Carl, Greg, Frank, druxey, and Robin for your comments. I might do things a little differently the second time around and post the results. Greg, my wife says thanks for the comment on the mattresses and the end mill is 1/32 inch. I have some 1/3 mm mills that I've been hoping to put to use but haven't yet found any details that require a mill that small.
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Hello everyone, Sorry that I've been away. Progress has slowed with the first model while I try to get caught up on the second. I didn't want to bore everyone with the replay. Fortunately, most of the parts are already machined for the first model and only need to be assembled. The process is going fairly quickly. I was able to add a few details such as doors and bunk rails to the first model and will start on the roof trusses next week. Second model going together. Bunk rails in. My wife has started on the mattresses. They are a piece of fabric stretched around a piece of foam board with the paper faces removed. Then eight stitches to represent buttons. I decided to mill the doors instead of building them from individual pieces. Not happy with the paint job. I should have sanded after the first coat. Top painted. Sorry for the poor photo quality.
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Heroine's beam was twenty feet and about 36 feet across the main deck. If you consider that the you lose about a foot to the double planked walls of the deckhouse, you only have about 19 feet to work with. It does make sense to run the bunks longitudinally to make room for a great room. I sometimes forget how small this vessel is compared to the later steamers.
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Thanks Jack, Bob, Patrick, Frank and Pat for your comments and everyone for the likes. Bob, sorry that I didn't get back to your question more quickly, I wanted to check Kevin's notes on the subject. For his deck arrangement, he mentions descriptions of three contemporary vessels, Cavalier (1832), Water Witch (1832), and Swiss Boy (1836). He also mentions a watercolor of the Ladies' Cabin on the steamer Chalevoix (1838). It seems that at least for the 1830's, this arrangement was in use but it may have changed as the vessels got larger in the 1840s onward. Is it possible that with a wider beam, more cabins could be added with bunks athwart ship? Just my guess though.
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Hello druxey, I've used it before to make a replica of a seventeenth century sundial but, I never thought of the ship model connection. I have to say, cutting the rectangular windows from the mica was a lot easier than cutting the round piece for the sundial. Interesting idea about the paddlebox. My paddlewheels are bigger than yours!
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Thanks steamschooner and Michael Michael, It's good to hear from you again. I hope you had a great time while you were away. I've missed your posts and look forward to seeing you back at it! I spent all of this last week finishing up the bunks and interior planking. I still need to add the rails to the bunks and my wife has volunteered to make all the mattresses. I've started on the windows -- just the interior side of the frames. I'll add the mica and outer half later after the walls are painted. This makes it easier to paint the exterior frame before installing it. Close up of three completed window. I really like the effect of the mica - Thanks druxey for suggesting it.
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I haven't had the chance to check in for two weeks and I'm amazed at how much you completed since then. She's really coming together beautifully!
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