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On a happier note...I went to a ship-club mate's house to get some expert advice. Needless to say, a wealth of wisdom lies not within books, forums, or practicums (although they have their place in supporting learning)...it truly lies in watching, discussing, and practicing new techniques with others who know more than you. Experience is the best teacher...but having a teacher can be even better when you hit a brick wall. I learned how to use a plank bender and have a new respect for the ease in which filler blocks can be placed. Valuable week! My frustration has been broken by club mates and the feedback on this forum. Thanks all! I will sail on.....
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Well....2 planks a day sounds pretty bloody fast to me...considering I am averaging one plank per month. And....I am a scotch drinker! (Hmmmm.....maybe if I switch to rum.....)
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Rick Love the idea of the thinner walnut planking. Will take your advice!!! Pat
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Will send pics later...I find it difficult to post pics as I always need to resize and whatnot before this site allows me to post. There are many logs on the Lady Nelson (just FYI - the Amati kit is name Lady Nelson - but is more or less a typical cutter from that age....the real Lady Nelson had two masts!) As this is my first Wooden Ship model - I wasn't expecting things to go smoothly. I was expecting to have been much farther on than I am, though. PLanking is, by far, the most difficult piece of this job. I am terrified to make a mistake...and NO...I cannot take the plank off and do a 'redo'...the glue holds entirely too strong. I think I am using carpenters wood glue, which appears to hold much faster.
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After many delays and continued visitors....I am finally able to spend some time on the Lady Nelson. I have just discovered that I am not good at planking. Not from the lack of reading, watching practicums and tutorials, etc. I have an ample library.... The problem is, as with all things, practical experience. Seeing a things done and doing a thing are two really different things. In short...I placed the first plank and now I can't go any farther. Soaked plank...check. Attached in place to dry and form, check. Verified fit prior to gluing, check. But now the next plank on both side has to ride up a large 'now existent' gap between the bottom edge of the first plank beneath the bulkhead, and a steep sweep of the bow...unless I force bend the planks, or separate them and make a patchwork 'plank' quilt....I can't get my second plank into position.... Been staring at the model for a week....too frustrated...and yes, I can post a photo....no energy at the moment. Taking a breather. Just wanted to vent.
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So...here is the rather rough (and totally risky) way I got the angle for the mount so I can mount with a level waterline. - Measured angle per the plans to achieve level water line - Added some 'filler blocks' to ensure there was enough 'meat' around the mounting screws - Prepared a mounting block to mount the ship keel up so that I could use a drill press at the correct angle - Secured ship and drilled pilot holes The time will come when the planking is done and I am ready to mount it for remainder of the work. I really did not see any other way than planning to use wood screws. But with a 3 mm keel, there is not a whole lot there to ensure a stable mount. So I simply planned for a bit of 'off center mistakes' when I drilled the pilot holes...no worry as long as I had some additional wood. Not the most elegant way of getting around not thinking enough ahead, but it will work. The next build I post will have the mounting considerations FIRST BEFORE I DO ANYTHING WITH THE FRAMES!
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Well...not much progress, but I did finally decide how to get a fairly good approximation of how to get the correct angle for the mount...and I was laughing the whole time. Hey...the hobby is supposed to be fun! Pictures later, but let's just say that I have officially found a use for high school trigonometry. Also...I have a new rule: Never eyeball drilling pilot holes for a ship mount while tipsy. Pat
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Exactly. Please share the jig design. I am in the exact same situation!!
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Hi Antony Thanks. I have mounts (brass pedestals with 3/16" bore. The question I have is: If I predrill the holes and install a nut into the center piece (false keel), then I would end up drilling out a gap in the walnut keel attached to the centerpiece. This would make the planking a bit more difficult as I would have basically two 'Gaps' along the keel which my mounts would cover, when it is ready to be mounted. Trying to envision how exactly I prepare the mount without damaging or wreaking the walnut keel. Many lessons as I grind through to the inevitable chore of planking. (Shudder)
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my wife asked me a great question. How will you mount it? Hmmmmmmm
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Happy 4th. Time marches on. A few hiccups. In trying to pre-bend the bulwarks after soaking, discovered that I put them in the jig backwards...after resoaking and rebending, discovered I had mangled them pretty badly. Yay...made new bulwarks (pretty fair job...get it? FAIR JOB! I laugh at my own jokes. Deal with it) Ok. During the remake of the bulwarks, I made bow and stern bow fillers. I am stopping with 2 on each side for each end. Pretty happy with it. Tried both basswood layering and balsa. Found balsa easier to shape but more difficult to cut (wanted the grain to flow laterally for easier shaping but cutting balsa blocks along the grain can be difficult) Learned a lot about shaping fillers...I found myself 'feeling' more than 'seeing' to note the curvature consistency. Next...bulwarks and whatever comes next.
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Thanks, Rick. Now attempting to do just that.
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Notes from the novice ship yard. 1. Accidentally snapped the nose piece (bow stem) while trying to pre-fit the fake bulk heads. Wonderful stuff, CA glue. 2. Am now re-pre-soaking bulkheads. But during the repair of the bow I decided I would try to put together some bulkhead filler blocks. Pretty obvious that I over sanded the bow filler pieces and have a feeling I can use the help When planking. Did my best. Slow and steady. 1 down, many to go.
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On a positive note...I now have an instinctive knowledge of the difference between bow and stern.
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Excellent. Will also try! On a different note: soaked bulkhead frames in water and put them in my 'bending jig'...nails on a board...and did a right brilliant job preforming them for mounting. But.... Put the damned things in backwards. Would be fine if the bowsprit was intended to come out of the stern. (I am such a bloody idiot sometimes). No pics. Too friggin embarrassing. The only reason I am posting is to keep myself honest and in task.
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Another question: If you make a mistake and need to realign a piece glued using wood glue...how do you go about 'getting it unglued'? Yes, wood glues like Elmer's is water soluble... But once dry, it might as well be superglue! How do you go about 'wetting' the glue to get it to release? I have this vision of dunking the model in a bathtub. Any advice, with pics, website/video references would be useful.
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Well...been a while. Small progress....of a sort. Trying to make the filler blocks after I put on the deck was proving a bit frustrating. Finally decided to refocus on the other mistake I made. When I put in the stern pieces which are attached directly to the deck....I used CA glue. Good and bad in that it certainly gives you a strong bond for a piece that lacks any additional collateral support....bad in that it gives you about 0.5 seconds to get it properly aligned before it sets...such was the case with the two inside pieces. I stared at the askew pieces for the past two weeks until last night when I finally said 'what the heck'. It was bothering me so much, I did something I have never done....Last night, I drilled them out, sanded down the CA residue stuck to the deck, carved out new pieces to the best of my ability using 1/8" birch stock plywood and my scroll saw, and set them in using wood glue to ensure I could get good alignment. This morning I touched up the underside where the slot fits into the hull with some CA...just to give it some additional support...not bad. This represents the first time I have 'made' a piece from scratch to replace a screw up. I am now basking in the glory of my newly corrected mistake. One thing...mistakes tend to make me less motivated to continue to push on....having to problem solve around a screw up is VERY difficult when working with plastic. Not so with wood it seems....gave me some excellent experience and some new confidence that I can actually do something simple from scratch.
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Hi Elijah. Not much movement past couple weeks. Still settling into new house. Plan To start making progress again this week.
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Been using a Dremell to start out. Then moved to a half round file to get the areas near the stern and bow with the greatest curvature. Now using a sanding block (1"x3") for finer work. Have been careful to try and keep things aligned. But may have messed up a bit putting in the stern pieces as they don't look exactly true. Hopefully some sanding and careful work will allow me to push forward without needing to drill them out and replace them with freshly made pieces. Will make a series of some small wooden files (Starbucks coffee stirrers with some glued on strips of sand paper 220 grit). Good tip. Filler blocks...um. Yeah. Never done that. Have read up on the process though. I guess worth a shot. Certainly can't hurt! More to come.
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Deck on. Fairing the hull. Trying not to over-do. The particle board the bulkheads and centerpiece are made of grind down quickly. Thinking of putting in stern and bow fillers, but also eager to move on a make more mistakes. (Already made a few but am pressing on. Learning a lot!!!!)
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I wonder if my insurance covers Dremell injuries?
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Well...the bulkheads were not perfectly square. Crap. But darn close. So I am taking a stab and deciding to push ahead. Seen a few posts (and recommendation from club member) to use filler blocks to shape the hull surface. Yeah...I agree. But the kit did not come with it and I need to learn from my mistakes. So darn it! I will make them!!!! Put the deck on and will post pics later. Time to fair the hull. God help me.
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