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It seems that the Dutch were ahead of the English in the early 17th century In 1604 an Englishman complained That an English merchantship of 100 tons needed a crew of 30 men. A Dutch merchantship of 100 tons needed only 10 men. Building and rigging a ship the Dutch way in the 17th century : Keep it simple but good. You need fewer people You make more profit. Source : Het schip (The ship) by Bjorn Landstrom. Ps, If you have an employer (the king of Sweden). Who wants Halfway the build a bigger ship with more cannons. Then this view is not correct. Then you get a badly built ship that sinks....
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Thank you for your visit. My way of building a wooden model ship may not always be the usual method. That's because I've been busy with plastic model building all my life. The goal remains the same Try to build a model of a ship, tank, cannon or airplane as good as possible. Planking Goes slow but steady. This is the part of the building that I do not like to do. So it will take a while. Installing the power tools out doors does not take to long And the cleaning is very easy Blow all the dust away with my aircompressor haha
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As always. Great job with the rigging. Great car My fastest drive. 200km / h (about 124 miles) in Germany on the autobahn with our Z4. Grrr. only 6 miles less haha
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Hallo, I made wales and extra planks. Wales are 5mm wide and 3.5mm thick. These dimensions are slightly too large compared to shipwrecks . After several attempts for bending the wales. I gave up .. cold water, hot water, very hot water, steaming. Ramin 5mm at 3.5mm will simply not bend enough. So plan B. The front part of the wale at the bow is hand sawed from a solid piece of ramin. And is glued. The rest of the wale is then also be glued into place. The scarf joints between the loose pieces of the wale will be imitated. I don’t have the proper tools too make good scarf joints So, This method works more easily and will look pretty good once finished. Wale N ° 1is attached. The wales are painted black before glueing and sanded after . Now planking has started. The planks are first soaked in water. Are then clamped onto the model until they are dry. Then they are glued. Wale and plank info : The Gresham Ship project Index
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Michael : thanks Cristian : Most of the info i found came from the internet and is printed as a pdf. and i have some books. Good and correct information about this period is sparse. Things too look for with google about shipbuilding in the late 16th century : "Red bay shipwreck" : the San Juan, a Spanish Galleon. "albaola.com" a modern shipyard that makes a replica of the San Juan. Gresham shipwreck" or "Princess channel shipwreck" "English shipbuilding 16th century" Some links on the internet : http://um.gipuzkoakultura.net/pdf/loewe.pdf http://www.albaola.com/en/site/building-process http://www.maritimearchaeology.dk/downloads/Furring%20in%20light%20of%2016th%20century%20ship%20design_web.pdf http://www.maritimearchaeology.dk/downloads/Full%20thesis%20bates.pdf http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/files/PMA41.2Auer-Firth.pdf http://nautarch.tamu.edu/pdf-files/Myers-MA%201987.pdf http://www.patrimoniocultural.pt/media/uploads/trabalhosdearqueologia/18/22.pdf http://www.bricksite.com/uf/40000_49999/48372/7e570040536647340b5566f37c70ca11.pdf This is very interesting. "The Gresham ship project". I can not make a internetlink for this. But it can be found and saved on the pc or printed for free. The new lay out for the wales. There is a good chance this will be the final layout. Index
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Thanks. This Apprentice has a good master. (The one that is now building a model of the Vasa) And with a little help from my friends on MSW !! Ps, What are, is "Kudos"
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Thanks to the extra Images which I received from Cristian (Thanks). We can conclude that the bottom wale was located above the waterline. Actually, if we look closely at the picture of Mathew Baker. Then we can even determine where it was located on the hull. On the model The depth (waterline) is half of the width of the master frame. So 15cm 2 = 7.5cm. (I found this information somewhere in one of the studies of shipbuilding of this period. The depth should be approximately be the half of the width of the master frame.) The lowest point of the wale on the model is calculated and is at 7.6cm. 0.1 cm above the waterline on the model. After making more planks and wales start I will start planking the hull. Maybe this weekend. if my free time allows it
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Hallo, The next step is the planking of the hull. Before I start with this, I have a question. Should the lowest wale lie above the waterline. Or may he lie on the waterline or below the waterline. I have no idea whether there are Rules for this. The height of the water line is half of the width of the largest frame 15 centimeter : 2 = 7.5 centimeter (See post with explanation about the possible size of the ship) The waterline stays where it is now ( at 7.5cm) Only the height of the wale can be changed There has been made a trial set-up. 2 wales below the gun ports 1 wale above the gun ports Like on drawings of ships from that era. 2 wales below the gun ports 1 wale above the gun ports And a shipwreck index
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G.L. For the gun deck simple softwood. Easily processed and will be almost not visible on the finished model. For all of the visible decks and planks of the hull. Ramin wood. These are remnants of when we built our house 25 years ago. I dont know the correct English word. But they are "plinten" (plinths,)( The finish plank between the wood floor and the wall) The ramin currently being sold is very soft and does not look at what was sold 25 years ago. I do not think the real ramin is still available. For the upper frames and other parts : cherry wood. From a cherry tree that is cut down two years ago.
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Planking the lower part of the transom As can be seen, the planks are not equal in width. The side edges of Planks are blackened And the lower planks are bent around the corner. This was done for more strength at this part of the hull This lower space has now been left open. I will try to make these planks when the hull is planked. Additional details are for later when the hull is planked as always thanks for watching, comments and likes Index
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"frames" on he transom When I started the construction of this model. Replicas of 16th century ships, built or under construction, were first used as an example to determine the thickness of the keel and stempost. For some reason the keels and stempost on these ships are always very wide. A Golden Hind in the 70ths A Mayflower in progres In contrast to the keel and stempost found at shipwrecks. Gresham ship Therefore, stem, stern and keel are first made thinner 1 mm on both sides. This gives a better view. After planking of the hull they will be further sanded into their final shape. Beams are placed to attach the planking on the transom As well as 2 standing knees and 2 lodging knees. An example is the transom of a 16th century Spanish galleon. Found in Red Bay. Maybe not entirely correct. But perhaps the only transom from this time that survived Index
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I'm out of wood now. So, first saw timber for planks and beams. Of cherry wood pieces are made for the upper frames and beams. Of the( real) ramin planks are sawn. Cleaning A first "batch" is ready. And, (Has nothing to do with ships. But nature is beautiful ) My bee hotel, made last year and see post N° 6, welcomes its first guests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect_hotel Index
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Hallo, Frames (futtocks) and gunports . The aim is to have a better detailing of the gun deck when looking through the gunports. If needed, there may be applied more detail later It seems that this time periode the inside of the frames were not fully planked. Frames (futtocks) are finely finished only where they have to fit together. The other sides are rough sawn or cut out with an ax. But on a finished model this seems sloppy. Therefore, my futtocks are sawn and sanded And, It is quite possible that the frames were farther spaced. Or not. Maybe the gun ports were smaller or larger on some ships. And maybe some ships were planked inside. Who knows. All of this will be barely visible when the upperdecks are placed More information is available via this link. http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/files/PMA41.2Auer-Firth.pdf First it is determined where the frames and gun ports should be Then between the plywood frames solid pieces wood are glued. Softwood “ramin” was used here. Saws and sands easily. There is a remarkable difference in the Ramin pieces that are on my attic for 25 years (very hard) And "ramin" which I bought last year in the wood shop (very soft). The frames are then equal sanded. The plywood frame is removed and replaced with a solid piece of wood and sanded. Work in progress A piece of the bow is removed. In a later stage, an adjusted piece will be placed back This should be higher. Otherwise, I'm not at the same height with my deck. The seam will be covered by the planking of the hull. Finish. My "employee" just had to celebrate this. From the partsbox he made this gun. He don’t understands that the wheels of a British crusader tank really do not belong under a medieval cannon. Installing the cannon . Fire. Test succeeded. Everyone happy . LOL Index
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I hope I'm not too late with this picture. On the original ship in the museum, there are no holes. And this seems to be an original piece of the ship.
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Thanks for the positive comments. Have you used this approach before? Scott, No. This was my very first lantern on my first ship. It is made in plastic because I have most experience with this material from my military modeling But I remember this advice when I make a lantern for my Golden Hind.
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block fillers at the bow
Baker replied to michael101's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Michael, I did fair the bulkheads before installing the filler blocks. Since I did not have good drawings. I had to draw my own bulckheads (frames) These filler blocks have saved my model. For me it is like the first planking on the hull. But with more space for sanding away any errors -
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Baker replied to michael101's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
If I understand it correctly (i hope), the question is about filler blocks. This way I made my blocks. Be careful with the grinder. Sanding goes quickly. -
Thanks for the positive comments and likes. In English and Flemish. Just seen on the picture On the stern there is still an error of a few mm. Building a hull without proper drawings and with my limited experience is not easy But, sometime we will get it to the finish with this model (in a few years....) index
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Hallo, The filler blocks are placed on the starboard side. Because sanding with the sanding machine is faster the blocks are not made in advance in to the proper shape. This is now probably the most ugly hull ever shown MSW….. A few minutes of sanding and the shape is already better. If you want to do this in the same way Do this outside. This makes a lot of dust .... Now further filling and sanding until the desired shape has been achieved. The lower part of the hull is ready for planking. My first goal was to try to build a hull that has probably the right shape Below the waterline it looks to be in order next update : frames and gunports on the cannondeck index
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No. But the general shape of this model of the Golden Hind seems to look good.
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Good luck with the small jobs Do not you think this is a dangerous place to put a ship model (even temporarily.) Hopefully it does not fall. That would be really pity In dutch : Dat zou zeer, zeer jammer zijn.
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Thank you for restart this buildlog. I follow
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