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Hello Farmerjon and welcome to MSW. Looks like you are off to a good start, please keep us up to date. Bruce -
They are splinter shields and I believe they were purpose made. I studied the photos in a lot of the Japanese Maru (sp?) Special series a long time ago and the mats just looked too long and wide to be hammocks. It is possible they were originally something else, such as a laundry bag, but nothing came to mind that was the right size. I modelled them as being about 8.5 feet long. Also, I believe these splinter bags stayed in place for as long as needed, which is another point against the hammocks idea. Never found proof, just couldn't ever believe they were the crew's hammocks once I saw the size. HTH Bruce
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B.E. sorry of I missed it, but what is the thickness of these planks? Looking good!
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Haven't seen that first hand yet. I abbreviated the story a bit; there is one delivery from the US where I was charged £28 'admin' and another from China for the £40 'admin'. Both these are outside the EU and my understanding is that the carrier automatically adds this charge if they settle up the duty. It also happens with Royal Mail but the fee is smaller. The sinister part of the situation is (a) the sender is often not aware of the fee and (b) in the case of DHL the item will be delivered and then the invoice sent out and aggressively pursued.
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Frustrating, but at least it avoids the 'admin charges' that are then imposed on the recipient if a commercial carrier is used to deliver items originating outside the UK. I'm currently arguing with DHL over £40 they are trying to charge me on top of the duty for an item that cost $70 including P&P. The sender was not aware of this when they chose the carrier.
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Thanks to all who have replied. Craig has found what I was looking for, a specific reference in scantlings to thwarts being described as 'fixed' etc. This did not appear in my sources. It would be interesting, if possible, to date those scantlings. It makes sense of the drawings I have been pondering of launches and other boats adapted to mount cannons or carronades. Mark, I believe we have been looking at the same model. I was thinking of doing something similar for the boat on the deck of my Mediator. Looking at this model and also trawling through images of cannon armed boats the thought occured to me: how did they stack the boats if the centre thwart was fixed? The boats were in many cases capable of carrying guns when required. The slides for these guns varied but looking at the full length versions, the slides were on top of the thwarts. It seems certain that the slides required solid fixings and removable thwarts don't fit in with that idea. Some mountings were shorter and allowed for lowering the gun to improve stability of the boat. These slides all seem to be either side of the centre thwart. I may be chasing my tail here but the two requirements, ie stacking boats and having solid thwarts, seem to contradict one another. If the answer is obvious, I ain't seen it so before I spend a lot of time re-reading every practicum I thought I would ask. Thanks, Bruce
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Hope someone can help. I assume the thwarts of an early 19th century launch, an English ship’s boat, would be removable. Is that correct? Thanks, Bruce
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Hello Tom and enjoy the year of the ox. Regards, Bruce
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Another 18th century Danish ship, name unknown, with stern decoration reflecting the figurehead features. (Please note I have corrected a dumb mistake in the previous post, correct image is displayed now)
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I want a good modelers saw
bruce d replied to Roberts Orca's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
The advice is overwhelming that the Byrnes is the best. Having finally got one, I agree. I previously had a Proxxon FET and it cannot be faulted it if it is used for the light jobs it was designed for. It is a very good modellers hobby saw but the Byrnes is a precision tool. If you can justify the expense, no contest. -
Visited the bookshelf and found 'The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War 1600-1815' by Brian Lavery. He doesn't specify the inner and outer fixings in the text, just describing the gun tackle and eyebolt arrangement that is common knowledge. However, the two illustrations accompanying this passage show the through bolts and the outer fitting. The earlier has a clench proud of the surface, the later example is flush. It is worth noting that the earlier carronade has several through fittings. His photographs of the gun ports on Victory do not reveal any sign of the outer clench of the bolts we are discussing but that ship is probably not the best example. Bruce
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I think the good work of naval archaeologists might hold some answers. It occurs to me that these fixings would not be required in most cases on original drawings, possibly being one of the last jobs. By the way, Welcome to MSW Pavel, you are off to a good start!
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Hello Gary, thanks. I had a couple of questions in the back of my mind when I wrote the question. Number one was : planking gets replaced, is that why we don't see evidence of this practice? Now that I am looking closer, it makes no sense that the recoiling cannons would be anchored to anything just screwed into the wood. It needed a through-fixing of some sort.
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So the bolts should be there on all ships that had guns on carriages?
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Danish frigate Havruen 1760. Stern decoration uses same 'fish tail' as on female figurehead: EDIT: Correct photo number #1 now, my boo-boo earlier.
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Danish frigate Faroe 1767:
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From NMM Collections, cropped: "... figurehead for Imperieuse (captured 1804), a captured Spanish 40-gun frigate. The bust figurehead is a female facing forward wearing a tiara and pearls in her long hair. A double pearl necklace sits around her neck above the top-line of a flowing gown. ..." NMM id = J5366 As HMS Imperieuse she was Cochrane's ship during the attack on Basque Roads.
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Introducing Colin. Currently living in South East England.
bruce d replied to colpatben's topic in New member Introductions
Hello Colin and welcome to MSW from another Sussex resident. Nice models and nice to see that some of them even got wet. (I am sure mods will answer question about 'morals') Regards, Bruce -
The joker in the deck is the carrier's admin charges on top. If it is sent via post, the RM Post Office will collect any duty + a couple of £ 'admin'. However, if the package is sent via a commercial carrir you will almost certainly get charged the duty + their admin fees, usually £20 to £40. There is little hope of arguing the point with the carrier, it just goes to a collection agency and gets nasty. So, from experience, ask before placing the order.
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Thanks, I wondered if it was CNC milled but I hoped there was a secret method. It is perfect, isn't it?
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Vlad, well done. This is looking great. Maybe I missed something but I have a question. The cap rail in this photo ... ... is beautiful. Previously in post #60 it looks like this ... Do you mind telling us how you achieved that perfect spiral? Thanks, Bruce
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Hi Vlad, bad news, the link is broken.
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Hello Mark. well that is interesting. The plans and translation look inviting, I found I was being drawn in to the project just by reading and studying. In the end I chose Mediator but the attraction is still there. Mind if I watch? Bruce
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Remain optomistic. You are not alone. I was two years into a 5-inch gauge live steam loco build (a Sweet Pea) when Ibegan to realise that I was having too much trouble just manhandling the rolling frame and cylinder assembly and would never be able to deal with the finished loco. I decided to think again and only after a decent interval came off the fence. Whatever you decide, don't rush into it. Just take care of yourself and see what fits best.
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Hello Paul and welcome to MSW. Those models look good, you know what you are doing. The weathering and toning on the subs is excellent, I hope you will talk us through your processes sometime. Bruce
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