bruce d

Toni, I am enjoying the thread and am grateful for your descriptive powers. I decided to see your entire build before starting mine.

Now my inexperience is going to be revealed. The instructions are to glue the keel etc to the plans, but I don't see any mention of releasing the finished model from the paper at the end. Have I missed it?

I imagine I am not the only builder who wants to mount the finished half-hull for display. Any suggestions for a particular adhesive that will let the plan peel away when the time is right? I'm not keen on using IPA to attack the glue along the entire length of the keel but perhaps I am being timid?

Thanks again for what is, in my opinion, an inspired project. 

Bruce

32 minutes ago, allanyed said:

what boats were found on various size vessels at various times.

It is very handy for that. I believe this is mentioned as the reason behind the project in one of the reviews of the book. I put it to the test when looking at an undated drawing of an armed launch and found that using the book I could narrow it down to a 19th century boat, not the late 18th I was hoping for.

HTH

Bruce

I consulted 'A DICTIONARY OF NAUTICAL WORDS AND TERMS' and found these two entries.

Spile. A small tapered wooden pin.
Spile Hole. Small hole bored in cask or barrel to allow air to enter when emptying.

The hole for lighting the charge in cannons of that age was plugged with a stopper prior to use, and I believe the 'spile' was the name of that plug.  I am looking for the text that describes the steps taken by a gun crew to prepare for action (I am trusting memory so am a bit vulnerable) and will post it when it is found. Or grovel, whichever fits.

The quoin was another piece as described above by Alan. 

5 hours ago, Dan Vadas said:

Bruce, that's the same one I posted the Link to in my first post  .

?? Not when I follow the link. Must be a quirk of Amazon, clever software that knows my budget perhaps?

This is what mine looks like (from my link)

... and this is what the link for the  'beast' in your post takes me to ...

I like the look of the beast but then I am a sucker for tools with attitude.

1 hour ago, BANYAN said:

wondering if it may be a misprin=t and actually referring to 'gun spikes'

Well, 'K' and 'L' are next to each other on the leyboard, sorry, that should be keyboard.

Hello Dan, good description, thanks. That was a lot of pieces to cut, whew.

Your cutter looks a bit like the ECOBRA circle cutter I have had for decades. My learning curve was exactly like yours: bad results, left it on the shelf for ages, tried it on a different job and bingo, figured out how to use it properly. 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ecobra-770630-Compass-Circle-Cutter/dp/B000KT8QDE

May I suggest looking at this place as well?

http://www.exotichardwoods.co.uk/

They are helpful and have more wood that is not in the catalogue.

45 minutes ago, druxey said:

... built by Barton of Liverpool, launched 9.5.1785 ...

Oops. Quite right, my earlier statement that she was built at Plymouth was wrong. After launching she went to Plymouth for survey and further fitting out. She is described as a cutter at this time.

5 minutes ago, amateur said:

20 gun 6th rate ship (1755)

Yes, saw that too, but the 1755 Squirrel was sold and renamed prior to 1785. She was in private hands as a whaler in 1785.

Hello Alan,

Odd. Can I ask what are the list headings? Do the headings state that these are RN ships under construction or might it include ships undergoing other work as well?

If I have it right, 'Sutton' was a yard in Plymouth. A cutter named Squirrel was launched there in 1785 after some delays in building.

Bruce

Welcome to MSW, it is a great place.

Hello moakly, this is 'US 55' but as you probably know more than one racer had that name:

I did not find any hull frame drawings in the few minutes I spent finding this. Perhaps the current owners could help?

https://www.12metre.com/yacht/stars-stripes-87-us-55/

Regards,

Bruce

Hello Moakley,

Are you asking about the America's cup syndicate racer Stars and Stripes?

Bruce

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/archaeologists-uncover-the-essex-dock-where-charles-darwins-famous-ship-hms-beagle-was-dismantled-after-circumnavigating-the-globe/ar-AAJrMcq?ocid=spartanntp

I deeply regret my choice of words as I have just seen that the owner of the business passed away. Please read the announcement on the front page of their website before ordering. I am editing the text in my earlier post.

29 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said:

33 minutes ago, bruce d said:

... this is the one that works for me:

https://www.balsacabin.co.uk/

Thanks Bruce👍

31 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said:

for suppliers in the UK...  http://www.thebalsacabin.co.uk

I think that link is does not work, this is the one that works for me:

https://www.balsacabin.co.uk/

Hello Kareen, welcome to MSW.

Hello Ken,

Looks good, and I am glad you are giving a detailed account of the plan-to-paper-to-wood process.

If you have room, I will be watching.

Bruce

2 hours ago, tedirene said:

Not sure how this thread works, as I could not find a "Reply" option to your comment,

Scroll down to below the latest post: reply box is located there. Just a minor point, the setup on this forum is that replies are to the thread, not the individual post. You have, of course, found the 'quote' feature.

I will leave comments on the use of mahogany as planking to those that have used it. There are many adventures in planking described in the section dedicated to the subject,

https://modelshipworld.com/forum/14-building-framing-planking-and-plating-a-ships-hull-and-deck/

... and who knows what tips you will find useful?

I suggest you post in the 'New member Introductions' section on the front page. Your project and problems will get more attention from the knowledgeable members there.

HTH

Bruce

tedirene, I understand your frustration but don't give up: sapele (there are other spellings as well) is closer to mahogany than walnut and you should be able to find a supplier. The US based sponsors of this website are worth a look, I can't give first hand experience of any of them as I am in the UK. 

This is a good resource:

https://www.wood-database.com/sapele/

HTH, and welcome to MSW.

Bruce

1 minute ago, druxey said:

I hope the damage was minimal.

It will grow back.

13 minutes ago, AON said:

I have been collecting information for years...

Looks like you put the information to good use. I had a quick look at the Service History and think I will make a cup of coffee and read it properly.

Nice touch. Thanks.

Bruce

On 9/30/2019 at 8:22 PM, noel_colledge said:

The trick is relearning how to saw again.

On 9/30/2019 at 8:24 PM, paulsutcliffe said:

I pushed instead of pulled at the wrong time

On 9/30/2019 at 8:05 PM, druxey said:

Then you may notice a slight difference, Bruce!

Sorry I dozed off on these replies. The saw arrived, I cut my finger, pushed when I knew I should pull, made every available mistake and still think the saw is the best way yet to cut wood..

13 minutes ago, paulsutcliffe said:

The shine/patina on the mahogany frames after all these years just gets better and better

It has a great look, lots of visual impact. Would you consider mahogany a good wood for frames? I have a salvaged piano stool about 100 years old and intend to use the wood for a display base but wondered if it is worth the effort to use it as components in a model. Sorry if you covered this in an earlier post.

Welcome to MSW, that sounds like an interesting project. Do you have plans or is it a kit?

You will find plenty of advice and help here and I will watch for your posts.

Regards,

Bruce