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I was able to sneak away today for an hour or so and I worked on the four mast tops here’s a few pictures, got a lot left to do but we’re getting there. Rob
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Thanks Pat sometimes it can get a little rough going when you think you know something and then you find out what you thought was correct turns out to be totally incorrect. That is the true nature of research. Everyone involved in this journey plays a critical part. Mike Mjelde, himself has conceded to many early erroneous conclusions. It surely is a pride dampener for sure. But we must rise above and be mature and stay true to our original goal to create the most accurate Glory we can…..and that includes the slightest miss interpretation of what we used to think. Rob
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Rich...like myself, your grasp of Glory's details evolves as you glean more detail and sometimes we are compelled to self-correct. I hope my examples and that those examples, were clear enough for you to show you her correct configuration. Images do not lie. Our interpretation of one image may...but a compilation of many photographs that clearly point the truth out...though they may emotionally alarms us, and however inaccurate they may *feel*, MUST be the truth. I assume Mike made the same conclusions you did, without cross referencing his many images to catalog her true configurations. If anything, I am more relieved you came to the same conclusion as I, after a further detailed evaluation. The re-draw is simply an inconvenience with lasting truthful consequences. Believe me....I've corrected more then I wish to admit. I'm sure there are more to come, before it's all said and done. Thanks for hanging with me..... Rob
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Sails were bent to the jackstays. I was experimenting with my first build and wanted to bend them to the front of the stays...so you could still see the stay. On my Great Republic build I bent them to the top, which hides the stay from view, while it resides under the edge of the sail top band. My new Glory will not have sails...her hull and its details are the main concern in this particular build. Thanks for enquiring. Rob
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I see exactly what you are attempting to point out to me from this image...which compared to the very clear and unmistakable image I posted earlier....it indicates, either the davits have an alternate location during different time periods.....or......one of us is mistaken. Now if you look closely at the image I provided....locate the starboard mizzen mast shrouds...they're there at the back of the image on the left(Unmistakable).....now if your suggestion was true...the davit would be mounted right in the middle of the shrouds....abutting them and would be unmistakable...if it were remotely true. but if you see...the aft davit is no where near the mizzen shrouds....and if you follow the line of the vertical portion you can devise it bisects just about at the place where the rail iron meets the rail. I'm not trying to argue....I'm trying to determine definitively the true location of Glory's davits...and it is clear from several images that her port davits are located as I have described. It is not unreasonable to gather, her starboard davits would not follow a well established symmetry of design, that is prevalent in her entirety. I've studied Glory's grounding image and coupled with many other images, which show a different story, I concluded the object mistaken for a davit is merely an illusion induced by the background tree branches on shore, or some other onboard structure not yet identified. In thes images...her starboard davits are clearly tied together at the block head...with blocks clearly identified as well. As you can see...the davits are no were near the mizzen shrouds in this image either. Her davits are symmetrical from the stern and in this image of conversion you can clearly see the aft davit NOT in the mizzen shrouds and the forward davit just aft of the main channel. I'm sorry Rich, but the natural course of symmetry and many clear images show and are evidence, Glory's davits are NOT mounted within her mizzen channels. The mizzen channel mounting would be nearly an unusable location.... to swing boats from across the fore deck of the carriage house....? You, and Mike IMHO are drawing this conclusion from one poorly representative image, which can easily be dismissed through deduction and the process of illumination. One last image to prove the symmetry of her davits. Look at the stern image of her...you can clearly see the symmetrical location of her davits....follow the mizzen shrouds to their end on their channels and you can clearly see neither aft davit has its origins there. the port forward davit even cleaves next to the extra added backstay...furthering the evidence of other images. This combined data can only lead one to conclude, as I have, that her davits are the same on both sides and that placing a davit within the mizzen channel would be, not only impractical, but unusable, given the location of the carriage house. I hope you can see what I've diligently and carefully tried to point out . Rob
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Sorry to disagree Rich, but her starboard aft davit is clearly shown at the same location as the aft port, I showed in the picture, not to mention the fore that is clearly next to the added backstay. I think you are mistaking tree branches in her grounding image. Look closely at this picture. Her aft Davit isn’t anywhere close to the mizzenmast shrouds. No….they are closer to her rail as on her port side as seen in the picture. I can’t imagine any logical reason to offset the davits. Rob
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It has become clear to me that the symmetrical boat davits are located (the aft ones), just forward of the iron hand rail of the aft poop rail and the forward ones are located between the main channels and the additional or modified back stays. Every image shows this and this image is the best. Rob
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Whenever I model furled sails...It is best to reduce the sail material to a third of its mass...sometimes even less....so you can have less out of scale material to furl. Even material as close to scale, needs to be reduced to make it convincing. On my last attempt, on my old, original version of Glory of the Seas....I wanted a bit more sails exposed, unlike the thin natural example in the image. However, I am not planning on putting sails(at this time....things do change, however) on this version of Glory. Rob
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While I am not in the shipyard...I am still doing research...and studying images trying to validate the true location of both port and starboard davits...it became clear what was happening on the aft deck of the Glory, in this image of her in San Pedro in 1907. It appears that this is the moment that she is getting her catwalk....that bridges between the carriage house and the boys cabin removed. One rail section is clearly seen being positioned. This is furtherly corroborated by noticing, that the main yard is being employed to do the heavy lifting, as she is swung about to starboard. A man can even be made out standing on the boys cabin just aft of the extricated rail....assisting in its removal. It, remains unclear when exactly she received this feature. I have determined that all of her davits are uniform and symmetrically placed on her hull. Photographic evidence shows both port and starboard locations are the same. The aft davit is roughly forward of the aft rail and the forward is mounted just aft of the main channel.(Or it is within the channel?) Why I am still researching. Rob
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Thanks Vlad...I appreciate that. I'm sorry to all who are anticipating more posts and updates. I have been out of state visiting family and will be tied up most of the month with various holiday issues. I hope I can slip away for some shipyard work, but we will see. Holidays, this time, are more precious due to the nightmare of Covid restrictions. We are free and will continue to honor our Lord. I wish all my MSW friends and fellow Glory hounds a wonderful FREEDOM filled holiday Season. Rob
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I fully welcome your return and am anxious to see you continue..... Rob
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Thanks Rich...I wanted Mike to have them. He is so gracious. He began this adventure over 40+ years ago and we are rounding the corner to completion. Just a year or two left to go....... I hope I have her finished before then....... Rob
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Interesting......so if Knowles had her for several years(Possibly 4) before adding the new back stays...and if he is the Captain who extended the wheelhouse(And all the other deck mods)...Walters painted her sometime before 1874. Because it was already noted by her previous captain, captain Sears, that her sailing ability under full sail was diminished...meaning it was unsafe to *Load* her masts with full sail. Due to insufficient stabilization...hence her routinely, slow passages. Now it wasn't until Knowles recorded a fast passage from NY to SFS in late 1973 to 1874, that it seams clear it wasn't until her rigging was stabilized with the addition of the 2 new backstays(On her Fore and main masts) that this was accomplished. So Glory received her wheelhouse and deck mods sometime after 1871 and her new backstays could have been added around mid 1873.....(after the recorded routinely slow passages, but before the recorded fast passage). And Walters painted her between 1872 and late 1873. The story is coming clear...well clearer anyway. Rob
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So that means Walters saw and painted her before she received her new back stays. In 1870? Then she received her helm mods before that? Just after she was built? Makes no sense. When did Knowles take command……before or after her major 1872 refit? Rob
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Pat…..you must not forget that you can’t compare the single “stick “ mast as depicted in the photograph to the different dimensioned mizzenmast of her original composite banded masts. Banded masts can appear wider. I myself, had to remeasure time and time again to keep them as correct as possible. Thank for paying close attention. Rob
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That is the best compliment one can receive……..thanks TBlack. Rob
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Thanks Rich. I hope Mike agrees. I think she is a pretty close likeness myself. I’ve worked hard to make her so. And without yours and Vlad’s help, I would be no where near this far or as close to her true shape. Rob
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