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Ditto, I found this suggestion to trim the gangway patterns in the instructions very curious and not necessary. Your improved steps for the gangway look excellent. Good researching on the McKay/Amazon information and coming up with a clever solution. I've noted a similar quirk in your waist capping rails to my wrestling with this area of my build: both caps lean outboard and by different angles. In dry fitting I was able to reduce some of this unfortunate disparity by carefully trimming the bulwarks - which process did result in having to remount several of the supports. When you proceed to mount the hammock cranes this "tilt" to the cap rails will be quite apparent. I improved this issue in my build, and you surely can too!

Mui sympatico here, Bob. There are Ship models and then there are other pursuits... How about combining the Best of Both Worlds?...(first pic of a Weissenborn acoustic lap) or Cranking the Spinal Tap Dial up to eleven on the Marshall?

Yikes. I'll need to find a new spot for my 1/64 HMS Ardent from Chris (Caldercraft Agamemnon)...A fully-rigged 64 looks like this in my home's hallway entrance. I'll also need to consult with my Wealth Management Investment advisors.😂

Chris, how 'bout rails - especially ekeing - in a 3D print? Impressive, über-detailed model. Impressive über moolah. Cheers. What will be, will be.

Hello B.E.- many thanks for taking time to identify some info from your past Build Logs. I'll visit both. Much appreciated. Now - off to build a better Mouse (trap)!

Thank you, B.E. My "mice" can be improved, and this isn't difficult to re-do. However, will you please give me a pointer - or two - on how to fashion the tapered styrene tubing so that it becomes conically-shaped. I've used dowel, drilled thro' and tapered with sanding to fashion better looking "mouses" for previous models, so indeed I can do better. I'm curious if your tubing method will yield a better result and be easier to make? Your layering of "ladies hosiery" looks very effective from what I can see; I have several daughters (and granddaughters) who can help me out with this supply chain! However, as you've suggested, re-rigging my stays to pass over my shrouds is too far to go at this stage. Camilla's ship's boat will indeed be a yawl, the 24', 3D printed resin one I purchased from Vanguard. I'll follow the kit's instructions (mostly) on the various pieces needed to outfit the resin boat.

Thanks, druxey. Now that I've properly dealt with a talkative avian (two more circling about), another pest crawls out of my woodwork: mice. Where there's one, there's more! Hmmmm...let me think about this. No Pain. No Gain?

Back at it following the Annual Joint Clubs Northeast Ship Model Conference in New London, CT. Great models to see. Good attendance on a beautiful day at the beachfront venue. Here is an update I made on HMS Camilla just before I hit the road to New London. A better result with thinner rope for the crowsfeet - and a redux on the "over-under" threading required that avoids the doubling of the lines I'd previously rigged. I'm happy this has been straightened-out - thanks to B.E. & druxey who helped me to re-focus on my work. BTW: those small blocks that rig the euphroe block to the stay are 2.5mm pear singles. My promarker, alcohol-based coloring pens arrived and I immediately tried them out on some boxwood violin blocks and pear belaying pins. The color, raw sienna, is the darkest in the 5-piece "brown range" set I bought. I used both marker tips: the flat, wedged "sharpie" point and the "pencil tip" point. The belaying pins only needed one pass of the coloring whereas the blocks needed two to achieve a nice "chestnut-like" reddish sheen. Boxwood is a more tightly-grained hardwood than Swiss pear and therefore needs more than one color pass. Taking a small break from rigging, I'm now testing some paint colors for the ship's 24' yawl. The clinker-styled boat is the one I purchased from Vanguard and not provided in the Sphinx kit. Here, the resin boat has been primer painted in Titanium white with two coats from the Liquitex pro series rattle can. Not easily seen in this photo is the off-white color of this paint which may suffice for the boat's finished hull exterior. The thin brown line at the boat's transom is a test for color. This matches quite well with the pear wood pieces that will be added, namely the thwarts and aft seating. There are quite a few choices of internal boat components that are provided in the kit. Some of these will be brass P/E, the remainder in lasered pear. I'm only building one boat for my model so I'll pick n' choose the components that will best fit this 3D resin print. The kit includes a full, three boat complement in pear and thus there is quite a large selection of very detailed bits n' pieces to make all the ship's boats quite convincing, right down to tiny oar locks and decorative boards. As this mini-project develops I'll post photos, of course. Most builder's of this kit will opt to build all three pear boats provided and array them across her midships on the skids. I'm just not one of them. At this writing I'm seriously considering airbrushing a custom color mix for the boat's interior before I add the P/E and laser etched pear details. One other detail: the walnut dowel behind the boat lying across the beams is a 'test' piece for adding a spare topmast that's on my checklist. I'll make this piece when I get started on Camilla's yards since I'll be spending time on my Proxxon mini-lathe making them. Another view of the boat, prime coat painted. This view better shows the nice clinker'd hull and the ribs. Once completed, I'll leave the boat in this upright position, strapped down across the skid beams. This photo shows two brass deadeye rigging jigs in position for shroud tying. The shroud line pair (main topmast) has been cut to length and seated around the tophead crosstrees and brought down to the top's deadeye and brass jigs. Once wrapped around one brass leg (on the right side) to hold the shroud line in-place, I've left a small length to wrap a deadeye and it's subsequent lashing. The grey-tipped alligator holds the shroud securely in position as the opposite end of the line is wrapped around the deadeye's channel (on the left). After pulling the shroud line fairly taut, I lash the first of three lashings with the brown upholstery thread I use for nearly all my line lashings. Just the first tie-off is shown here. This lashing line will subsequently wrap 5 or 6 turns and then be tied-off. The shroud line to the deadeye is also held in place by a second alligator clip to maintain tautness. Once the shroud's left deadeye is secured, the line around the right brass jig is wrapped around a second deadeye placed on the jig; once the spacing is evened-up, the shroud is secured with it's lashings. This set of brass wire jigs have sharpened, tapered tips so they can easily slide into the miniscule holes in the 3 mm diameter deadeyes. For the larger deadeyes at the channels I use slightly thicker and lengthier brass jig sets of the same configuration that provide wider spacing between the deadeyes. A gull's-eye view of progress on Camilla and my out-of-control work surface! A view from the stem. The mizzen shrouds await.

Thanks, B.E. Yeah, 0.10mm rope will be like what I envision its like for fly-tying fishing lures, as druxey has advised! Mmmmm... smoked rainbow trout.

Thanks, Glenn. I confess I rigged my HMS Swan's (neé Pegasus) crowsfeet correctly. Why I didn't look closer at how I accomplished this years ago, is beyond me. I used old-school Warner blocks too. They are still beautiful looking IMHO. For kit building, there have been dramatic changes to the aftermarket for our hobby in just a few short years, accelerated by our MSW forum.

Thanks druxey. I believe I have some .10 mm rope, hopefully enough to do all my tops! I neglected to mention in this topic that I have yet another important, accurate reference for rigging...😬

Indeed, my method is inaccurate, but not a simplification, per se; I used way too much rope and thus, this rigging reeving turned into a jury-rig. After consulting the following principal references I have for rigging, I'm up for ANOTHER re-do. Good eye, B.E.: it doesn't quite look right to me either. Thank You. Here's my solution, some background for thread readers: The standard reference for rigging, James Lees. The "Bible." James Lees, Pgs 44-45. Rigging to the Foremast. This is the only pictorial reference for crowsfeet rigging in the entire 212 page tome, which the text explains "...It [crowsfeet] ceased to be generally used by the end of the eighteenth century." The text does give a written explanation how to accomplish this artistry, but I found it confusing, even though I've done this rigging several times in my ship modeling life. Basically, for the foremast, I invented my own, semi-accurate solution. The English have a saying for this: "that's not cricket!"....so...in the next photo, my Dear Watson, I'll show you the evidence for a more accurate solution to fixing (undoing) my unique (call it "creative") method for rigging! "Elementary, Mr. Neilson, Elementary." This photo from Lennarth Petersson's Rigging Period Ship Models book (page 15), is my "go-to" main visual reference for rigging, including its extensive information on sails, their configurations, rigging and excellent info on belaying. You can see in Petersson a pretty clear depiction on how to go about accomplishing crowsfeet reeving. This procedure will apply to all three mast tops on my Camilla. Why I ignored this clearly illustrated reference I can only chalk up to "a senior moment." I'll fix my erroneous foremast crowsfeet rigging tonight, after an Eastern Conference NBA playoff game. Thanks again, B.E. for the sharp eye and the gentle query into my rigging madness. Where would I - we all - be without Model Ship World?!😳

Ta-Da! Nice work, Toni. I'll be interested to see how you present this unique model.

Yep. A stunning model!

Good point. I'll certainly have all the anchor bits n' buoys mounted, including the possibility of adding an anchor lining. I thought about this possible addition as I was rigging the deadeyes...I did add a centre-deck spanshackle, so the crutches make more sense. How do you plan to handle the masts? Stubs with broken wood? Angled tops? A fellow artist/builder would like to know! Cheers!

Rigged the crowsfeet to the foremast. PLEASE IGNORE THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO'S INACCURATE ADVICE! (jump to the next thread in this log). BUT THE OTHER TWO PHOTOS BELOW ARE HELPFUL. Rigging the crowsfeet can be tricky. Before running the continuous, laced line into the top and down to the euphroe block, I start with securing the euphroe tackle to the stay (see closeup and description of this below). After lashing the two blocks with their lines to the euphroe, I position both on the stay and temporarily clip them into place do they don't slide around when subsequently tensioning the lines from the euphroe to the top. To determine how much line to allow for the crowsfeet, measure down to the eurphroe block from the edge of the top and multiply this length by the number of holes you'll feed the rope to the top. I add another 2 or 3 inches. In this example, I had a total rope length of approximately 42." There were twelve runs to the top. The distance from the euphroe lashing is about 8-10 feet from the stay to the edge of the top. This will be a long run of rope that can easily get fouled in other parts of your model. Proceed appropriately. My crowsfeet line is "beige" (natural hemp color) line that is nominally .20mm dia. This is roughly equivalent to 1/2" diameter rope at full scale. For reference, the main propose for the crowsfeet was to protect the foot of the topsail from becoming worn and fouled on the tops. In the above photo, I've indicated the beginning sequence to this rigging, starting with the line entering the hole on the top at exactly the midpoint (in this case, the first hole to port, close to center), the Red arrow. Tie a stopper knot in the line after it is pulled through the top's hole so it stays secure for the balance of the rigging. You can trim this down after the full run is completed. Next, run this line to and through the FIRST hole at the closest end of the euphroe block (white arrow). Now, run the line back up to the top to the first hole on the starboard side, UNDER and through it (the yellow arrow). The balance of this "lacing" is straightforward, running in sequence, alternating port-to-starboard and along the top, filling all the holes in the euphroe. Once the line is fully rigged, you'll likely need to even-up the tension across this array of lines; I use my needle point tweezers to finesse this step. You want these lines to be taut but not so much that the mast stay is pulled upward from too much tension exerted by the euphroe tackle lines. Here, I'm showing how I use a small flashlight to illuminate the tiny holes in the top from my hand position above it. The crowsfeet rigging progresses upward, under the top - trying to poke a .20mm diameter rope into the holes is an exercise in extreme patience, particularly when the top is painted black! The light shining downward helps immensely to see where the rope needs to enter upward through the tiny holes. I use my needlepoint tweezers for this task. TIP: Don't try to rig crowsfeet without making the end of the rigging rope stiff with glue first - just a tiny amount ( I use CA) so you create a "needle" point on the end. You'll trim this glue-hardened end off later. BEFORE you start threading the lines between the top and the euphroe block, secure the euphroe tackle at two points as shown in this photo. I use my smallest alligators to hold the lines in place. This keeps the assembly from slipping upward from tension on the rigged euphroe block, and, if not secured - TEMPORARILY - you'll wrestle with attempts to get the proper results that the rigging process requires. Once you've tied-off the full crowsfeet run to the top, you can remove these clips and affix the best position of the two tackle lines on the stay and apply a drop of glue so the tie points don't move or slacken: you may need to "slide" these tie points up or down a couple millimeters to accomplish the best tautness to the lines. For reference, these two tackle blocks are 3 mm single sheave, pear. The line is the same .20mm line used for the crowsfeet.

The quick answer is that I'm referring to Chris' plans as well as relying on past experience of rigging similar 18th-century Royal Navy warships. You'll see in my last post that I re-rigged the main mast stay, because following the instructions and plans in the kit - was in error. This involved both an incorrect block as well as rope size. Generally, the sequence of rigging is my own although the provided plans are always helpful. As I proceed to rig, I use a marker to highlight a rope line once it's completed. This helps to visualize what has been accomplished and what remains. I've also substituted nearly all the kit's blocks with upgraded versions, typically falling in the range of 3- 5mm. My posts that explain why I use violin blocks is pretty self-explanatory: these blocks are NOT furnished in the kit. I also rarely use any of the rigging "thread" provided. When substituting real rope I generally downsize by one incremental step; e.g. a plan calls for 1 mm dia. rope, I use the next available thickness, which is .8mm typically. This also depends on my choice of rope vendor now. I do this "downsizing" throughout the rigging process and you've likely spotted these minor changes that deviate from Chris' plans. Many of the upgraded blocks will not easily accommodate the plan-specified thicker rope sizes either.

I especially like your continuity of color choices throughout your build. Great job on the ekeing rails, including the coloring. I punted on mine...

Onward...incremental progress, but progress nonetheless! A do-over for the mainstay tackle at the bow. I'd used an open heart block previously at the bowsprit end and have changed this to a closed heart. At the same time I substantially increased the diameter of the rope that holds this block and then descends around the base of the bowsprit into the stem. This is a much better solution for this critical mast support. In addition, I made the beefed-up rope run between the foremost timberheads (bollards). Previously, my rope from the heart block was on the outside of these timbers - and this was clearly wrong. Thanks to druxey for pointing these details out to me, a man who certainly knows his ropes.🤗 The tackle rigging for the mainmast's topmast stay. The topmast Preventer stay will be rigged to the opposite side of the foremast in a similar arrangement. When my alcohol-based W & N promarker color pens arrive (soon, I hope) I'll carefully attempt to color these boxwood blocks. Better to do this BEFORE rigging I realize, however...there are plenty more that await coloring. I'll see how this coloring of boxwood works out (burnt sienna); my experience is that the density of boxwood requires more than one application. Another view of the tackle rigging fall line dressed to a belaying pin at the base of the starboard foremast. Once all the rigging is dressed to their proper locations (chocks, blocks, bitts, belaying pins, etc.), I'll add various sizes of coiled rope hanks that will be prepped off the model. In this close-up I noticed the mast coat has popped-up from the deck. This likely happened due to movement by the mast during its rigging. I'll squeeze a tiny drop of glue under the edge, push it down. Had I not taken these specific close-up photos I may not have noticed this! For reference, most of my rigging closeups are approximately 600 to 800% enlargements of the actual model size.

The upholstery thread I'm using is .20mm or .008 thick. I previously said it is polyester. This is wrong, it's nylon. I'm using a "Beige" color rope for my running rigging; I'll use five different thicknesses when I get to this stage. The beige color resembles natural hemp. You can see this rope and its color in my deadeye rigging ropes as well as the ropes for the hammock cranes.

Nice looking model, Keith. Congrats. On the old photos from the 19th-century (and even early 20th): most people look so "stiff" (even joyless,mostly super- serious), is because the photographer would coach his subjects by asking them to take a deep breath and hold it since the exposures on glass plates (tech of the era) were quite long, even in bright sunlight. Also, try to hold your breath and smile at the same time...can be done, but it's not natural.

Yep, druxey. A bonehead move. I usually have a bottle of alcohol handy too. Will an 18 yo single malt Dalwhinnie work?

A few more photos of HMS Camilla's rigging progress. Rigging fixed. In my previous post I showed how I tried to cleverly remove some random glue from a rope with a handheld lighter; it torched the line, burnt it. Sacré Bleu! Non-reparable. So, I stripped-off the line that consists of two leads wrapped around the upper post head at the crosstrees and started over. I'll never do that again. A lot to see in this photo of the foremast rigging. At the bottom of the photo, the catharpins are laced and tied to the intersection with the futtock shrouds. The resulting tension created with this rigging step is quite critical to get right. All shroud lines on the foremast are now completed, upper and lower. The large single block holds the main topmast stay that descends to the base of the foremast. Setting each of these stay lines is a tricky business to achieve the right balance for line tension. With standing rigging, one needs to constantly double-check the alignment in three planes as well as insure that all the lines are taut - without skewing the angles of the mast components unnecessarily. Another detail in this photo: I will mount the guardrail and remaining stanchions AFTER all the stays are run (including backstays). There are several lines that terminate to the small eyebolts at the aft area of this top. Mounting the guardrail (and its rope netting) too early makes attaching the subsequent rigging to the top's eyebolts very difficult. Tying-off the main stay topmast violin block. These one-piece blocks are much easier to rig than attempting to tie two separate blocks together - particularly at this smaller scale. This detail is shown to illustrate the usefulness of the "QuadHands" tool for rigging. Here, two of the four flexible extension arms firmly hold the block and the rope in-place. The extensions reach almost 15 inches high from their base. This is very handy in many rigging spots. Here, this double block provides leverage to the lines secured at the base of the foremast; the rig is designed to tighten the stay line that runs upward through a large block at the tophead and then across to the main mast. The same rigging set-up will also apply to the adjacent Mainmast Preventer stay to the opposite side of the foremast. There are many different approaches to rigging processes by age-of-sail modelers and all of them are correct - as long as the result is neat and accurate - with all lines appropriately taut (or not). This consideration is very important when one adds sails to their model. Assuming a model's sails are mounted as "working sails," some running lines will be very taut, others, not. Another photo showing the utility of the QuadHands jig. Pretty self-explanatory. In the bottom left corner, a spool of my Coats & Clark dark brown upholstery thread. I use this thread extensively for tying-off blocks and lashing lines. It is a polyester thread and not likely to come undone once secured. I've used this thread for all my models and so far (knock...knock...), so good: no loosened or unwound rigging lines- yet.

Indeed. The detail on both the rudder trunk and the Officer's poop screen look excellent. I must admit this level of built-in detail is tempting me to think about building this model in the "dockyard" style. Hmmmm. decisions, decisions! I already have a 64-gun fully-rigged, so perhaps the razéed one ala' Navy Board will be a nice change-up. It would be considerably smaller to display!

Sam, You've arrived at the internet's best forum for all things ship modeling! As druxey commented here, your work is quite familiar to many members of this forum. In addition to this open thread, our forum has a private messaging feature you might want to periodically check-out. Welcome!